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    Ballack vs Gerrard

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    The better individual?

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    Post by Guest Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:22 am

    Fonseca wrote:Ballack vs Gerrard - Page 3 2mgjjlz
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    Post by Guest Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:22 am

    Ballsack.
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    Post by GCU Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:23 am

    the only time ballack really got to show his great form at chelsea was in the second half of the 07-08 season when grant moved lampard to deeper midfield position and got ballack playing just behind drogba. in that period he was easily the best player in chelsea and probably the most in form player in europe aside from ronaldo. thats perhaps the only thing grant ever got correct in his time at chelsea where he was able to get the best out of ballack whilst not negating lampards influence at the same time.

    other than that his only other individual highlights were those "big games" like against liverpool in the UCL in 08-09 and against man u last season, hes one of the best "big game" players there is
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    Post by luke. Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:25 am

    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Ballack is one of my favourite players absolute beast. Ashame he has picked up more runners up medals than winners medals Sad Mainly at chelsea

    He only recieved 1 runners up medal at Chelsea, recieving 6 winners medal.

    In total, 14 winners medals, 6 runners-up medals, including internationals.

    So, what were you saying?
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    Post by Dean Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:25 am

    Scuba Steve wrote:
    Fanatic wrote:
    Scuba Steve wrote:Lovely. Don't let your inferiority complexity shine through too much now, mind. And yes, I saw that you told me to read the OP.

    In addition, I read the poll question (which apparently you missed out on), because, well, it was part of the opening post. G'day!
    Shame you fail to comprehend what context he meant it in. Don't let your inferiority complexity shine through too much now, mind.

    G'day.

    I got it now. I forgot that international football doesn't matter. Big oversight on my part.

    Ballack was ten times the footballer Gerrard was at their primes. There ya go.

    Scuba Steve, take a dive son.

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    Post by Danny Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:27 am

    Gerrard. He's one of the best midfielders of my generation tbh, certainly one of the best two English central midfielders I've seen.

    Ballack was brilliant at Leverkusen and Munich, and occassionally showed it at Chelsea (beating us 2-1 in 07/08 anyone? Neutral) and performed for Germany as well, but I think Gerrard is something else. The amount of times I've seen him save Liverpool is incredible, and even though many give him stick for his England performances- he's saved us a few times as well.


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    He only recieved 1 runners up medal at Chelsea, recieving 6 winners medal.

    In total, 14 winners medals, 6 runners-up medals, including internationals.

    So, what were you saying?
    Champions League? shifty

    Also finished 2nd in the Premier League in the same season, don't get a medal- but it's still runner up. Dry Smile


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    Post by Guest Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:28 am

    Scuba Steve is just mad 'cause Gerrard scored against the USA.
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    Post by luke. Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:29 am

    Danny wrote:Gerrard. He's one of the best midfielders of my generation tbh, certainly one of the best two English central midfielders I've seen.

    Ballack was brilliant at Leverkusen and Munich, and occassionally showed it at Chelsea (beating us 2-1 in 07/08 anyone? Neutral) and performed for Germany as well, but I think Gerrard is something else. The amount of times I've seen him save Liverpool is incredible, and even though many give him stick for his England performances- he's saved us a few times as well.


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    He only recieved 1 runners up medal at Chelsea, recieving 6 winners medal.

    In total, 14 winners medals, 6 runners-up medals, including internationals.

    So, what were you saying?
    Champions League? shifty

    Also finished 2nd in the Premier League in the same season, don't get a medal- but it's still runner up. Dry Smile

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    Post by Zzonked Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:30 am

    It's getting pretty defensive in here.
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    Post by Jamie Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:30 am

    Pretty much everyone is giving Ballack less credit than he deserves. The guy had it all, with more intelligence to his game than Gerrard too.
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:30 am

    luke. wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Ballack is one of my favourite players absolute beast. Ashame he has picked up more runners up medals than winners medals Sad Mainly at chelsea

    He only recieved 1 runners up medal at Chelsea, recieving 6 winners medal.

    In total, 14 winners medals, 6 runners-up medals, including internationals.

    So, what were you saying?

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    Post by Dean Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:31 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:Pretty much everyone is giving Ballack less credit than he deserves. The guy had it all, with more intelligence to his game than Gerrard too.

    Nah.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:31 am

    luke. wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Ballack is one of my favourite players absolute beast. Ashame he has picked up more runners up medals than winners medals Sad Mainly at chelsea

    He only recieved 1 runners up medal at Chelsea, recieving 6 winners medal.

    In total, 14 winners medals, 6 runners-up medals, including internationals.

    So, what were you saying?

    Premier league 06-07
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    Champions League 07-08
    Carling Cup Final 07-08

    World Cup 02
    Euro 08

    Champions league 02

    Off top of my head
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    Post by GCU Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:31 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:Pretty much everyone is giving Ballack less credit than he deserves. The guy had it all, with more intelligence to his game than Gerrard too.

    mainly british forum, so this will always happen. everyone entitled to their own opinion though i guess
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    Post by Fanatic Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:31 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:Pretty much everyone is giving Ballack less credit than he deserves. The guy had it all, with more intelligence to his game than Gerrard too.
    No one is discrediting Ballack, Gerrard is still the better player.
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    Post by Jamie Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:33 am

    Fanatic wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:Pretty much everyone is giving Ballack less credit than he deserves. The guy had it all, with more intelligence to his game than Gerrard too.
    No one is discrediting Ballack, Gerrard is still the better player.

    Why? I don't disagree, I think they're close...I just think it's laughable and kinda embarrassing at the same time the amount of people who think Gerrard is clearly the better player.
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    Post by Jamie Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:33 am

    Dean wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:Pretty much everyone is giving Ballack less credit than he deserves. The guy had it all, with more intelligence to his game than Gerrard too.

    Nah.

    Nah what?
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    Post by Marvin Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:34 am

    Basically what Jamie said.

    You must be bias if you think Gerrard is by far the better player, either that or just stupid. At least acknowledge the fact that it's very close.
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    Post by dena Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:34 am

    Zzonked wrote:It's getting pretty defensive in here.

    Who would've thunk it eh? Havent even seen a proper argument for Gerrard, although I could've missed something, just 'Nah' 'No way' 'steve is a fat yank' this WAS expected though. Mischief


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    Post by luke. Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:34 am

    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:
    luke. wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Ballack is one of my favourite players absolute beast. Ashame he has picked up more runners up medals than winners medals Sad Mainly at chelsea

    He only recieved 1 runners up medal at Chelsea, recieving 6 winners medal.

    In total, 14 winners medals, 6 runners-up medals, including internationals.

    So, what were you saying?

    Premier league 06-07
    Premier League 07-08
    Champions League 07-08
    Carling Cup Final 07-08

    World Cup 02
    Euro 08

    Champions league 02

    Off top of my head

    You don't get PL runners up medals.

    Carling cup not on his wiki.
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    Post by Fanatic Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:35 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:
    Fanatic wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:Pretty much everyone is giving Ballack less credit than he deserves. The guy had it all, with more intelligence to his game than Gerrard too.
    No one is discrediting Ballack, Gerrard is still the better player.

    Why? I don't disagree, I think they're close...I just think it's laughable and kinda embarrassing at the same time the amount of people who think Gerrard is clearly the better player.
    But Gerrard is the better player.......
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    Post by Scuba Steve Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:35 am

    GCU wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:Pretty much everyone is giving Ballack less credit than he deserves. The guy had it all, with more intelligence to his game than Gerrard too.

    mainly british forum, so this will always happen. everyone entitled to their own opinion though i guess

    I am not surprised by this. But, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, provided it lines up with the opinions of the supporters of Liverpool Football Club.

    Otherwise, you're wrong.
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:35 am

    Realistically the actual credible posters are more favoured to Gerrard, don't do this British forum bullshit
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    Post by Danny Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:35 am

    luke. wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:
    luke. wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Ballack is one of my favourite players absolute beast. Ashame he has picked up more runners up medals than winners medals Sad Mainly at chelsea

    He only recieved 1 runners up medal at Chelsea, recieving 6 winners medal.

    In total, 14 winners medals, 6 runners-up medals, including internationals.

    So, what were you saying?

    Premier league 06-07
    Premier League 07-08
    Champions League 07-08
    Carling Cup Final 07-08

    World Cup 02
    Euro 08

    Champions league 02

    Off top of my head

    You don't get PL runners up medals.

    Carling cup not on his wiki.
    Wikipedia. Laughing

    If he played any part of your Carling Cup run that season, he will have got a runners up medal. Maybe he didn't. I'm hardly going to know.. Neutral
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    Post by luke. Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:35 am

    dena wrote:
    Zzonked wrote:It's getting pretty defensive in here.

    Who would've thunk it eh? Havent even seen a proper argument for Gerrard, although I could've missed something, just 'Nah' 'No way' 'steve is a fat yank' this WAS expected though. Mischief

    Hence my point about Gerrard getting the majority, as the majority of the forum are Liverpool fans.
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    Post by Cadbury Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:35 am

    "Ballack is 10 times the player Gerrard is in their primes"

    roflrofl
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    Post by Fanatic Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:36 am

    dena wrote:
    Zzonked wrote:It's getting pretty defensive in here.

    Who would've thunk it eh? Havent even seen a proper argument for Gerrard, although I could've missed something, just 'Nah' 'No way' 'steve is a fat yank' this WAS expected though. Mischief
    Where is the argument for Ballack, apart from "oh he's underrated" or "I know who is the better player on intl level".
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    Post by luke. Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:36 am

    Danny wrote:
    luke. wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:
    luke. wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Ballack is one of my favourite players absolute beast. Ashame he has picked up more runners up medals than winners medals Sad Mainly at chelsea

    He only recieved 1 runners up medal at Chelsea, recieving 6 winners medal.

    In total, 14 winners medals, 6 runners-up medals, including internationals.

    So, what were you saying?

    Premier league 06-07
    Premier League 07-08
    Champions League 07-08
    Carling Cup Final 07-08

    World Cup 02
    Euro 08

    Champions league 02

    Off top of my head

    You don't get PL runners up medals.

    Carling cup not on his wiki.
    Wikipedia. Laughing

    If he played any part of your Carling Cup run that season, he will have got a runners up medal. Maybe he didn't. I'm hardly going to know.. Neutral

    He came on for the last 2 minutes of the final, just looked it up 📖

    Not saying he didn't get a runners up medal for it btw..
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    Post by Theo Filippo Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:37 am

    luke. wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:
    luke. wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Ballack is one of my favourite players absolute beast. Ashame he has picked up more runners up medals than winners medals Sad Mainly at chelsea

    He only recieved 1 runners up medal at Chelsea, recieving 6 winners medal.

    In total, 14 winners medals, 6 runners-up medals, including internationals.

    So, what were you saying?

    Premier league 06-07
    Premier League 07-08
    Champions League 07-08
    Carling Cup Final 07-08

    World Cup 02
    Euro 08

    Champions league 02

    Off top of my head

    You don't get PL runners up medals.

    Carling cup not on his wiki.
    Il rephrase my sentence then 'Its ashame he has frequently come up second best'
    He came on as a sub in the carling cup final v tottenham if i recall correctly.

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    Post by Cornholio Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:37 am

    Tbf, you compare almost any foreign player to an English player and it's going to be Rest of the World vs England.

    England are fucking hated, especially in Football.

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