Ballack vs Gerrard

Zzonked wrote:

Danny wrote:One example with Mauro as well. Apparantly Andy Carroll has no technique, and his first Liverpool goal a few weeks later is lashing it into the bottom corner past Joe Hart from 25 yards.

That's a poor example, hitting it hard doesn't constitute good technique.

Hitting the ball first time like that with the laces takes a great amount of technique.

He readjusted his body in moments.

Fanatic wrote:

Mustangt125 wrote:

Fanatic wrote:

Mustangt125 wrote:

Fanatic wrote:I said read the OP. "who was the better player".

Don't blame you, must be difficult reading while simultaneously scoffing down food. Nice joke.

Quit being such a cunt. Anytime any American disagrees you guys u make the same shit joke. Get more clever or shut the fuck up.

He was the one who made a shit joke first so get back in your cage you twat.

Doesn't change your shit material

Mustangt125 wrote:Haha I can't hear what youre saying from behind your awful teeth

Now fuck off.

You're a douchebag.

dena wrote:

Dean wrote:You know it's funny, people try to make out English people are 'biased' etc...

Then you have Dena coming in with the typical 'Oh I'm not surprised by this'

but what did occur was a typical 'i have nothing to say here, but lemme make fun of your nationality' post, in which you responded with a ' '

And forget what Steve posted about "better individuals"?

He was the one who started to put this thread of course so don't give me that crap.

Cornholio wrote:

Zzonked wrote:

Danny wrote:One example with Mauro as well. Apparantly Andy Carroll has no technique, and his first Liverpool goal a few weeks later is lashing it into the bottom corner past Joe Hart from 25 yards.

That's a poor example, hitting it hard doesn't constitute good technique.

Hitting the ball first time like that with the laces takes a great amount of technique.

He readjusted his body in moments.

That's true actually, I forgot it was a first time shot.

Zzonked wrote:

Danny wrote:One example with Mauro as well. Apparantly Andy Carroll has no technique, and his first Liverpool goal a few weeks later is lashing it into the bottom corner past Joe Hart from 25 yards.

That's a poor example, hitting it hard doesn't constitute good technique.

Power, accuracy, placement...

Not the first time he's done it as well. I think saying Carroll has no technique is a load of shite.

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

LFCJordan wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Ballack has proven himself at all levels

Bundesliga
Champions league
World Cups
Premier league
Euros

Internationals mean fuck all.

Gerrard is proven in the Champions League, and the Premier League.

Whats your point.

No need to get all defensive im just pointing out one of my favourite midfielders achievements I didnt say gerrard couldnt.

Thought it was a debate. I was just counter arguing your points, because last time I looked it was Gerrard vs Ballack thread.

Danny wrote:

Zzonked wrote:

Danny wrote:One example with Mauro as well. Apparantly Andy Carroll has no technique, and his first Liverpool goal a few weeks later is lashing it into the bottom corner past Joe Hart from 25 yards.

That's a poor example, hitting it hard doesn't constitute good technique.

Power, accuracy, placement...

Not the first time he's done it as well. I think saying Carroll has no technique is a load of shite.

He scored the same type of goal against Liverpool.

Zzonked wrote:

Danny wrote:One example with Mauro as well. Apparantly Andy Carroll has no technique, and his first Liverpool goal a few weeks later is lashing it into the bottom corner past Joe Hart from 25 yards.

That's a poor example, hitting it hard doesn't constitute good technique.

But the accuracy and the technique he used to hit the ball does.

dena wrote:

Dean wrote:You know it's funny, people try to make out English people are 'biased' etc...

Then you have Dena coming in with the typical 'Oh I'm not surprised by this'

Who did I try to make look like a dick, in saying I wasnt surprised the thread turned this way, I was saying that I wasn't surprised that this thread turned into one in which members would attack each other player allengecies INSTEAD of a real comparison thread in which stats, attributes, and achievements are compared, none of these things occurred until page 3, but what did occur was a typical 'i have nothing to say here, but lemme make fun of your nationality' post, in which you responded with a ' '

I have nothing against English football, what is there to be against in the first place?

You can't 'really' compare players by statistics, statistics are one of the most mis-leading things in football and that's why I don't follow them much. Also you can't compare players on achievements either, that's silly and you should know that.

Unfortunately, the best way to compare players, is off knowledge and your personal opinion of the player.

Obama is a cunt.. .

Just saying..

LFCJordan wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

LFCJordan wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Ballack has proven himself at all levels

Bundesliga
Champions league
World Cups
Premier league
Euros

Internationals mean fuck all.

Gerrard is proven in the Champions League, and the Premier League.

Whats your point.

No need to get all defensive im just pointing out one of my favourite midfielders achievements I didnt say gerrard couldnt.

Thought it was a debate. I was just counter arguing your points, because last time I looked it was Gerrard vs Ballack thread.

Its more like a one way street for Ballack

Maybe saying why isnt he proven at a world cup could help

Fonseca wrote:Mauro has a point though, Egzon and Jamie just say statements and back them up by just acting like 'that's how it is'. When I think about it, I should be more like Jamie

Because I'm always right.

Seriously though I'll debate when someone provides a good argument.

LFCJordan wrote:

Danny wrote:

Zzonked wrote:

Danny wrote:One example with Mauro as well. Apparantly Andy Carroll has no technique, and his first Liverpool goal a few weeks later is lashing it into the bottom corner past Joe Hart from 25 yards.

That's a poor example, hitting it hard doesn't constitute good technique.

Power, accuracy, placement...

Not the first time he's done it as well. I think saying Carroll has no technique is a load of shite.

He scored the same type of goal against Liverpool.

Aye, that's why I said it's not the first time he's done it.

Mustangt125 wrote:

Fanatic wrote:

Mustangt125 wrote:

Fanatic wrote:

Mustangt125 wrote:

Quit being such a cunt. Anytime any American disagrees you guys u make the same shit joke. Get more clever or shut the fuck up.

He was the one who made a shit joke first so get back in your cage you twat.

Doesn't change your shit material

Mustangt125 wrote:Haha I can't hear what youre saying from behind your awful teeth

Now fuck off.

You're a douchebag.

Bye now. You failed miserably.

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

LFCJordan wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

LFCJordan wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Ballack has proven himself at all levels

Bundesliga
Champions league
World Cups
Premier league
Euros

Internationals mean fuck all.

Gerrard is proven in the Champions League, and the Premier League.

Whats your point.

No need to get all defensive im just pointing out one of my favourite midfielders achievements I didnt say gerrard couldnt.

Thought it was a debate. I was just counter arguing your points, because last time I looked it was Gerrard vs Ballack thread.

Its more like a one way street for Ballack

Maybe saying why isnt he proven at a world cup could help

Because England play him left mid, and England are shite

When we mention internationals, Ballack's German for fucks sake. Of course he's going to be more "proven" at that level. Germany aren't shite like England are.

But Gerrard will probably end up with over 100 England caps, around 20-30 England goals. Playing in 2 World Cups, and 1 European Championship (at the moment- could be one more for each but for injury and that night against Croatia at Wembley...).

Just saying, gotta put it into perspective when comparing them at international level.



Managed to squeeze that in on the last post of the previous page, brilliant.

LFCJordan wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

LFCJordan wrote:

Filippo Inzaghi wrote:

LFCJordan wrote:

Internationals mean fuck all.

Gerrard is proven in the Champions League, and the Premier League.

Whats your point.

No need to get all defensive im just pointing out one of my favourite midfielders achievements I didnt say gerrard couldnt.

Thought it was a debate. I was just counter arguing your points, because last time I looked it was Gerrard vs Ballack thread.

Its more like a one way street for Ballack

Maybe saying why isnt he proven at a world cup could help

Because England play him left mid, and England are shite

There we are then
Ballack and Klose have pulled Germany through many world cups if ballack missed the 06 world cup or the 02 one instead of the 02 one they would of struggled to make quarter finals

Danny wrote:When we mention internationals, Ballack's German for fucks sake. Of course he's going to be more "proven" at that level. Germany aren't shite like England are.

But Gerrard will probably end up with over 100 England caps, around 20-30 England goals. Playing in 2 World Cups, and 1 European Championship (at the moment- could be one more for each but for injury and that night against Croatia at Wembley...).

Just saying, gotta put it into perspective when comparing them at international level.



Managed to squeeze that in on the last post of the previous page, brilliant.

There isn't really any point comparing them internationally. Compare them domestically if you want but I think everyone would admit Ballack pisses all over him internationally, no matter what excuse is used. Ballack was Germanys leader, he was a massive part in why they weren't shite. Whereas Gerrard couldn't bring England up a level.

Fanatic wrote:

dena wrote:

Dean wrote:You know it's funny, people try to make out English people are 'biased' etc...

Then you have Dena coming in with the typical 'Oh I'm not surprised by this'

but what did occur was a typical 'i have nothing to say here, but lemme make fun of your nationality' post, in which you responded with a ' '

And forget what Steve posted about "better individuals"?

He was the one who started to put this thread of course so don't give me that crap.

Steve is in this too I never pardoned him from his contribution to the thread, takes two to tangle.

Dean wrote:

dena wrote:

Dean wrote:You know it's funny, people try to make out English people are 'biased' etc...

Then you have Dena coming in with the typical 'Oh I'm not surprised by this'

Who did I try to make look like a dick, in saying I wasnt surprised the thread turned this way, I was saying that I wasn't surprised that this thread turned into one in which members would attack each other player allengecies INSTEAD of a real comparison thread in which stats, attributes, and achievements are compared, none of these things occurred until page 3, but what did occur was a typical 'i have nothing to say here, but lemme make fun of your nationality' post, in which you responded with a ' '

I have nothing against English football, what is there to be against in the first place?

You can't 'really' compare players by statistics, statistics are one of the most mis-leading things in football and that's why I don't follow them much. Also you can't compare players on achievements either, that's silly and you should know that.

Unfortunately, the best way to compare players, is off knowledge and your personal opinion of the player.

Nah I think that's crap. Stats when used in the proper context generally reflect a player's performance over given time, problem is people don't like use to stats in their proper context ie. someone when making a case for striker x vs. RVP will say, "well, RVP only scored 20 goals this year, my striker scored 35" when in actually, RVP has missed half the year and has a fantastic ratio. Achievements can also be used properly, once again, in context. Having debates based on personal opinion leads to what this thread is. "My player is better" "No he's not" "Yes he is" "No... he's not"

Danny wrote:When we mention internationals, Ballack's German for fucks sake. Of course he's going to be more "proven" at that level. Germany aren't shite like England are.

But Gerrard will probably end up with over 100 England caps, around 20-30 England goals. Playing in 2 World Cups, and 1 European Championship (at the moment- could be one more for each but for injury and that night against Croatia at Wembley...).

Just saying, gotta put it into perspective when comparing them at international level.



Managed to squeeze that in on the last post of the previous page, brilliant.

If he was good enough he would of carried the team, Pele and Maradona didn't just get things handed to them. Hell even Beckham carried the team as captain winning games by himself. No excuse

Fine Shagger wrote:

Danny wrote:When we mention internationals, Ballack's German for fucks sake. Of course he's going to be more "proven" at that level. Germany aren't shite like England are.

But Gerrard will probably end up with over 100 England caps, around 20-30 England goals. Playing in 2 World Cups, and 1 European Championship (at the moment- could be one more for each but for injury and that night against Croatia at Wembley...).

Just saying, gotta put it into perspective when comparing them at international level.



Managed to squeeze that in on the last post of the previous page, brilliant.

There isn't really any point comparing them internationally. Compare them domestically if you want but I think everyone would admit Ballack pisses all over him internationally, no matter what excuse is used. Ballack was Germanys leader, he was a massive part in why they weren't shite. Whereas Gerrard couldn't bring England up a level.

Playing him out of position doesn't help.

Fine Shagger wrote:

Danny wrote:When we mention internationals, Ballack's German for fucks sake. Of course he's going to be more "proven" at that level. Germany aren't shite like England are.

But Gerrard will probably end up with over 100 England caps, around 20-30 England goals. Playing in 2 World Cups, and 1 European Championship (at the moment- could be one more for each but for injury and that night against Croatia at Wembley...).

Just saying, gotta put it into perspective when comparing them at international level.



Managed to squeeze that in on the last post of the previous page, brilliant.

There isn't really any point comparing them internationally. Compare them domestically if you want but I think everyone would admit Ballack pisses all over him internationally, no matter what excuse is used. Ballack was Germanys leader, he was a massive part in why they weren't shite. Whereas Gerrard couldn't bring England up a level.

He was forced to play left midfield for half of his international career.

Where's Ryan with that Michael Jackson popcorn gif?

Danny wrote:When we mention internationals, Ballack's German for fucks sake. Of course he's going to be more "proven" at that level. Germany aren't shite like England are.

But Gerrard will probably end up with over 100 England caps, around 20-30 England goals. Playing in 2 World Cups, and 1 European Championship (at the moment- could be one more for each but for injury and that night against Croatia at Wembley...).

Just saying, gotta put it into perspective when comparing them at international level.



Managed to squeeze that in on the last post of the previous page, brilliant.

You say don't compare them internationally, then give us Gerrard's international stats...

Ballack has 98 caps and 42 goals oh by the way

But yeah, it's a wash.

Fanatic wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Danny wrote:When we mention internationals, Ballack's German for fucks sake. Of course he's going to be more "proven" at that level. Germany aren't shite like England are.

But Gerrard will probably end up with over 100 England caps, around 20-30 England goals. Playing in 2 World Cups, and 1 European Championship (at the moment- could be one more for each but for injury and that night against Croatia at Wembley...).

Just saying, gotta put it into perspective when comparing them at international level.



Managed to squeeze that in on the last post of the previous page, brilliant.

There isn't really any point comparing them internationally. Compare them domestically if you want but I think everyone would admit Ballack pisses all over him internationally, no matter what excuse is used. Ballack was Germanys leader, he was a massive part in why they weren't shite. Whereas Gerrard couldn't bring England up a level.

Playing him out of position doesn't help.

I know, but it's not like he was always played out of position. Just isn't the same player Ballack is internationally. Ballack is a true leader, Gerrard just leads by example.

Fine Shagger wrote:

There isn't really any point comparing them internationally. Compare them domestically if you want but I think everyone would admit Ballack pisses all over him internationally, no matter what excuse is used. Ballack was Germanys leader, he was a massive part in why they weren't shite. Whereas Gerrard couldn't bring England up a level.

Exactly, it would be stupid to compare them at international level.

And Ballack's always been used where he feels most natural for Germany. Gerrard for England has played right and left wing, holding midfielder, attacking midfielder etc... Certainly I don't expect him to bring us up a level when he's rarely used in his natural role. Same happened for Scholes, he was used on the left wing during his later England years on the left to accommodate Gerrard and Lampard in the middle- which is an absolute joke to me. And the fact that Gerrard's never been our "leader" (or captain) either, whereas Ballack was.

Danny wrote:

Zzonked wrote:

Danny wrote:One example with Mauro as well. Apparantly Andy Carroll has no technique, and his first Liverpool goal a few weeks later is lashing it into the bottom corner past Joe Hart from 25 yards.

That's a poor example, hitting it hard doesn't constitute good technique.

Power, accuracy, placement...

Not the first time he's done it as well. I think saying Carroll has no technique is a load of shite.

But he hit the ball inbetween the middle and the left post, if it was good technique he would of banged it in the corner

Fine Shagger wrote:

Fanatic wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Danny wrote:When we mention internationals, Ballack's German for fucks sake. Of course he's going to be more "proven" at that level. Germany aren't shite like England are.

But Gerrard will probably end up with over 100 England caps, around 20-30 England goals. Playing in 2 World Cups, and 1 European Championship (at the moment- could be one more for each but for injury and that night against Croatia at Wembley...).

Just saying, gotta put it into perspective when comparing them at international level.



Managed to squeeze that in on the last post of the previous page, brilliant.

There isn't really any point comparing them internationally. Compare them domestically if you want but I think everyone would admit Ballack pisses all over him internationally, no matter what excuse is used. Ballack was Germanys leader, he was a massive part in why they weren't shite. Whereas Gerrard couldn't bring England up a level.

Playing him out of position doesn't help.

I know, but it's not like he was always played out of position. Just isn't the same player Ballack is internationally. Ballack is a true leader, Gerrard just leads by example.

What the fuck does that bollox mean.

I'm slipping

dena wrote:

Danny wrote:When we mention internationals, Ballack's German for fucks sake. Of course he's going to be more "proven" at that level. Germany aren't shite like England are.

But Gerrard will probably end up with over 100 England caps, around 20-30 England goals. Playing in 2 World Cups, and 1 European Championship (at the moment- could be one more for each but for injury and that night against Croatia at Wembley...).

Just saying, gotta put it into perspective when comparing them at international level.



Managed to squeeze that in on the last post of the previous page, brilliant.

You say don't compare them internationally, then give us Gerrard's international stats...

Ballack has 98 caps and 42 goals oh by the way

But yeah, it's a wash.

Yeah because he was talked about like he'd done fuck all for England, that was just proving that he actually has. Just obviously not on the same level as Ballack.