by Guest Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:02 am
'orrible bastard wrote: (polskaGOLA) wrote: 'orrible bastard wrote: (polskaGOLA) wrote: 'orrible bastard wrote: Simonc89 wrote: Danny B wrote:A lot of Scots want to "split" from the UK anyway...
Who's stopping them?
all the Scots who dont wanna devolve. alot of Scots are educated enough to realise the benefits of being part of the UK. although if Scotland was independant they would be eligable for far more subsidies from the EU! but where the fuck is the EU headed?
if the EU was the UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy and other established economies it would be fine. but so much of our money gets spent on bringing the others upto speed! its great for those countrys. the likes Ireland, Portugal, Estonia, Poland and even tiny Malta have/will benefit greatly.
i love how this thread has nothing to do with the original post.
Meh, the likes of Portugal, Poland bring much to the EU as well. I don't know wtf Portugal is doing, but it won't be too long before Poland starts giving more to the EU economically wise than it takes. IIRC Czech Republic and Cyprus already give more than they take.
I do agree that expansion should cease after Iceland and Croatia. (and perhaps Serbia and Montenegro near the end of this decade)
bollocks. Polands manufacturing sector will comprise of companies moving production from France, Italy, Spain, Germany & the UK. Cadbury's & Twinings Tea - two huge employers in the UK are moving production to Poland to maximise profits. The Poles are not bringing anything new to the EU, they are just under-cutting everyone else to attract FOREIGN investment! the likes of Poland, Czech Rep. and Slovakia are nothing without the support of the big players!
Western Europe never needed anything from behind the iron curtain until shareholders from big corporations started to manipulate the market by sending production to and sourcing from developing countries. Poland has no natural resources that we couldn't already source elsewhere! the continued subsidisation of these countries will not result in more jobs across Europe. it will only displace them! The growth of these developing countries with handouts whether they be repayable or not can only have a negative impact on the economies of western Europe.
Pfft. Like if Poland wasn't part of the EU, companies still wouldn't move production to other countries.
Poland's manufacturing sector comprises of Polish companies and only a few foreign. You make it sound as if we are fucking China.
About expansion into the Iron Curtain, the economic value of doing so wasn't the reason for said expansion.
pretty soon every pole in England will have to return home to work for the same companies they work for in the UK. What are Poland big producers of? it has minerals but not to the degree Brazil or China have them! (not even when comparatively speaking). it is not a particularly mineral rich nation.
How many British or German companies were trading out of eastern europe before they all joined the EU? i cant speak for the Germans but i cant think of any British firms doing it! and Poland joining the EU has made it much easier for European investment. dont kid yourself that Poland would be making the same inroads without handouts. they take our money and then offer it to our companies in the form of tax cuts to move abroad! i dont blame them for doing it but i dont think it should have been made possible.
its unethical. its akin to a baker paying his taxes in the UK only for my government to give his taxes to the polish government who then say "hey mr baker man, come make cakes over here for 20 years tax free" on the condition that he leaves all his staff out in the cold in England and employ a bunch of polish bakers for a fraction of the cost! its counter productive for the masses and ultimately only benefits the fat cats who make even bigger profits! it may help one nation prosper but leaves another teetering on poverty! its not better for Europe as a whole. it just means different people are earning the money. Poland in time may well be putting more money into the EU than it takes out. but i'll guarantee the nations that made it possible will be putting in less. its not good for my country.
They'll return home, because wages are higher, not because companies will be employing there.
Poland exports more /per dollar than it imports at the moment. Our biggest exports IIRC are engines for aircrafts, industrial and electrical machinery and parts, Zinc and other metals/minerals, and stuff like Rubber. Those are what I can name off the top of my head, I'm sure there is much more.
Poland is a fairly rich mineral nation for European standards. The most important part of the country(Silesia) is one of, if not the biggest producers of Coal and Iron in Europe.
Obviously the EU made things much easier for foreign companies, but Poland's policies pre-EU were very favorable for foreign countries to invest in the first place. It would've happened with or without the help of the EU. The EU only accelerated things.
Why would Britain be putting in less as you put it? If the British have any brains at all, they would have moved to a Knowledge based economy and workforce by then.
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