Handling the ball on the goal-line accidentally.

ViVaRooney wrote:if it stopped a goal it is a clear red and a penalty

whether it was accidental or not doesnt matter. if your hand is out then its a foul, the sunderland one was a clear red and a pen

now if a player had his hands stuck to his body then its not a foul anywhere on the pitch so it wont be then. (unless he moves his body towards the ball and his hands hit it)

James wrote:Since when does balancing involve putting your arms that high? To balance you put your hands out sideways, not upwards.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ViVaRooney wrote:if it stopped a goal it is a clear red and a penalty

whether it was accidental or not doesnt matter. if your hand is out then its a foul, the sunderland one was a clear red and a pen

now if a player had his hands stuck to his body then its not a foul anywhere on the pitch so it wont be then. (unless he moves his body towards the ball and his hands hit it)

Of course it fucking matters, you're a spastic.

ViVaRooney wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ViVaRooney wrote:if it stopped a goal it is a clear red and a penalty

whether it was accidental or not doesnt matter. if your hand is out then its a foul, the sunderland one was a clear red and a pen

now if a player had his hands stuck to his body then its not a foul anywhere on the pitch so it wont be then. (unless he moves his body towards the ball and his hands hit it)

Of course it fucking matters, you're a spastic.

learnt he rules

if your hand is sticking out then its a foul

it is only not given if the ball is hit close by AND your hands are not out or above your head

learn the rules please

Danny wrote:Has RR made a post recently where he HASN'T mentioned "the rules of the game"?

Marvin wrote:Sorry but you can't deny a clear goal scoring chance like that and let him get away with it. I said at the time when I was watching it that it should at least been a penalty and a yellow card (Red would have been harsh), and nothing has changed my mind so far.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ViVaRooney wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ViVaRooney wrote:if it stopped a goal it is a clear red and a penalty

whether it was accidental or not doesnt matter. if your hand is out then its a foul, the sunderland one was a clear red and a pen

now if a player had his hands stuck to his body then its not a foul anywhere on the pitch so it wont be then. (unless he moves his body towards the ball and his hands hit it)

Of course it fucking matters, you're a spastic.

learnt he rules

if your hand is sticking out then its a foul

it is only not given if the ball is hit close by AND your hands are not out or above your head

learn the rules please

I have learnt the rules, handling the ball has to be intentional for it to be foul.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Marvin wrote:Sorry but you can't deny a clear goal scoring chance like that and let him get away with it. I said at the time when I was watching it that it should at least been a penalty and a yellow card (Red would have been harsh), and nothing has changed my mind so far.

What are you giving him a yellow card for?

ViVaRooney wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ViVaRooney wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

ViVaRooney wrote:if it stopped a goal it is a clear red and a penalty

whether it was accidental or not doesnt matter. if your hand is out then its a foul, the sunderland one was a clear red and a pen

now if a player had his hands stuck to his body then its not a foul anywhere on the pitch so it wont be then. (unless he moves his body towards the ball and his hands hit it)

Of course it fucking matters, you're a spastic.

learnt he rules

if your hand is sticking out then its a foul

it is only not given if the ball is hit close by AND your hands are not out or above your head

learn the rules please

I have learnt the rules, handling the ball has to be intentional for it to be foul.

if your hands are out or above your head then it is intentional.. or why else are your arms out??

what do you define as not intentional?

Marvin wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Marvin wrote:Sorry but you can't deny a clear goal scoring chance like that and let him get away with it. I said at the time when I was watching it that it should at least been a penalty and a yellow card (Red would have been harsh), and nothing has changed my mind so far.

What are you giving him a yellow card for?

Mainly because he should have got a yellow even before that incident anyway.

The officiating was awful during the whole game.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Marvin wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Marvin wrote:Sorry but you can't deny a clear goal scoring chance like that and let him get away with it. I said at the time when I was watching it that it should at least been a penalty and a yellow card (Red would have been harsh), and nothing has changed my mind so far.

What are you giving him a yellow card for?

Mainly because he should have got a yellow even before that incident anyway.

The officiating was awful during the whole game.

What are you giving him a yellow card for in this specific instance?

Marvin wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Marvin wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Marvin wrote:Sorry but you can't deny a clear goal scoring chance like that and let him get away with it. I said at the time when I was watching it that it should at least been a penalty and a yellow card (Red would have been harsh), and nothing has changed my mind so far.

What are you giving him a yellow card for?

Mainly because he should have got a yellow even before that incident anyway.

The officiating was awful during the whole game.

What are you giving him a yellow card for in this specific instance?

Unintentionally denying a goal. Probably sounds stupid, but that's how I would call it if I was the ref.

Normally I would say just a penalty and no card, but he got away with one beforehand.

Marvin wrote:Sorry but you can't deny a clear goal scoring chance like that and let him get away with it. I said at the time when I was watching it that it should at least been a penalty and a yellow card (Red would have been harsh), and nothing has changed my mind so far.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:And given that it is specified in the thread title that the handball in this scenario was accidental, it cannot be deliberate, therefore it cannot be a foul.

The Bat-Man wrote:I agree on RR that you can't give a penalty for something like that and not send him off, no exceptions although if the the situation was like this, corner comes in, attacker heads ball at goal, player standing on post stretches out his foot to intercept the ball, moving his hands farther away from his sides to maintain balance, the player doesn't get the ball, ball falls to another attacker who shoots it instantly, ball strikes defenders arm because he didn't have enough time to put it by his sides again, in hat situation, if I was the ref, I'd give no penalty and no card because the player couldn't do anything about it.

So either red card or penalty or no card and no penalty.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:And given that it is specified in the thread title that the handball in this scenario was accidental, it cannot be deliberate, therefore it cannot be a foul.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:If a player makes a careless, reckless or dangerous action, and trips his opponent, it is a foul. It is however specified in the Laws of the Game that a handball must be intentional for a foul to occur. I hope this helps.

ViVaRooney wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:And given that it is specified in the thread title that the handball in this scenario was accidental, it cannot be deliberate, therefore it cannot be a foul.

the example given was the sunderland v newcastle match, that was a clear pen and a red. eventhough it was "accidental" the guy had his hand out and was blocking the goal

if you dont think that was a red and a pen i have no reason to talk to you again

Lux wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:If a player makes a careless, reckless or dangerous action, and trips his opponent, it is a foul. It is however specified in the Laws of the Game that a handball must be intentional for a foul to occur. I hope this helps.

It doesn't help, because I already knew that.

My point still stands, and anyway that rule conflicts with the "preventing a goal scoring opportunity" rule.

Danny wrote:It's not a foul if it's accidental? Whaaaat?

So if you misstime a challenge and end up snapping someone's leg in half, it's okay because you went to play the ball?

NZG wrote:He stopped a clear scoring chance. I don't give a fuck if it was accidental or not, Ball could of gone in but his hand got in the way.

therefore= penalty and no card because it was by accident.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Danny wrote:It's not a foul if it's accidental? Whaaaat?

So if you misstime a challenge and end up snapping someone's leg in half, it's okay because you went to play the ball?

Handball specifically isn't a foul if it's accidental. Mistiming a tackle and tripping someone is a foul. You know that thing I've been telling you to do? Go and fucking do it.

NZG wrote:He stopped a clear scoring chance. I don't give a fuck if it was accidental or not, Ball could of gone in but his hand got in the way.

therefore= penalty and no card because it was by accident.

So you'd give a penalty even with no foul? And you'd not send someone off for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity? You would be a crap referee.

NZG wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Danny wrote:It's not a foul if it's accidental? Whaaaat?

So if you misstime a challenge and end up snapping someone's leg in half, it's okay because you went to play the ball?

Handball specifically isn't a foul if it's accidental. Mistiming a tackle and tripping someone is a foul. You know that thing I've been telling you to do? Go and fucking do it.

NZG wrote:He stopped a clear scoring chance. I don't give a fuck if it was accidental or not, Ball could of gone in but his hand got in the way.

therefore= penalty and no card because it was by accident.

So you'd give a penalty even with no foul? And you'd not send someone off for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity? You would be a crap referee.

I'd give a pen for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity.

why is that so hard for you to get?

Danny wrote:Surely that's a contradiction. You're saying it's not a foul, but it's denying a goal scoring opportunity?

And fuck reading the "laws of the game" you cunt.