Handling the ball on the goal-line accidentally.

How can you get a yellow? If you're stopping a goal and it's given as a foul, it has to be a red card, no two ways about it.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Usually it isn't, it's usually only if a player tries to prevent a goalscoring chance of score a goal with it.

Someone doesn't remember a certain Mr. Ronaldo getting a second yellow. Or a Mr. Scholes. Both for intentionally handballing it.

kyro7 wrote:How can you get a yellow? If you're stopping a goal and it's given as a foul, it has to be a red card, no two ways about it.

I agree. I only put that option up as perhaps some refs would see that is wasn't deliberate, and offer some mercy.

I think a better question would be

'Should you be punished for handball if you put your hands up to protect your face?'

James wrote:I think a better question would be

'Should you be punished for handball if you put your hands up to protect your face?'

That has nothing to do with this at all. It's still a good question though, feel free to make a thread.

Intentional or not it's a foul, and a foul that clearly denies a goal scoring opportunity is a red card offence.

I'm on a train so its tough to write out a well versed backing for my yellow/penalty claim but some members have said something similar to what I wouldve said so whatever.

If it's accidental then in the laws of the game (law 12) no penalty should be given.

This is now my reaction to this thread.

I agree on RR that you can't give a penalty for something like that and not send him off, no exceptions although if the the situation was like this, corner comes in, attacker heads ball at goal, player standing on post stretches out his foot to intercept the ball, moving his hands farther away from his sides to maintain balance, the player doesn't get the ball, ball falls to another attacker who shoots it instantly, ball strikes defenders arm because he didn't have enough time to put it by his sides again, in hat situation, if I was the ref, I'd give no penalty and no card because the player couldn't do anything about it.

So either red card or penalty or no card and no penalty.

If the ball is hit at full speed and a player, who is on the line with his hands by his side, has the ball hit him on his hand, then I would not give a penalty, as it is completely accidental.

If the player has his arm outstretched though, I don't see how it cannot be a penalty. Whether it is intentional or not, the player should realise, that by putting his hands out, he is at risk of handballing it.

xPeterLFC95 wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Usually it isn't, it's usually only if a player tries to prevent a goalscoring chance of score a goal with it.

Someone doesn't remember a certain Mr. Ronaldo getting a second yellow. Or a Mr. Scholes. Both for intentionally handballing it.

The Ronaldo second yellow was a bad call, the Scholes one was the correct decision as he'd tried to score a goal with his hands - extremely unsporting behaviour. Again, I implore you do read the Laws.

RobbieSavageIsA... wrote:Intentional or not it's a foul, and a foul that clearly denies a goal scoring opportunity is a red card offence.

If it is not deliberate then it is not a foul.

How many times have we seen the ref give a penalty for accidental handball, whether the player done it deliberately or not, if your hand is outstretched like that, 90% of refs would give penalties.

Who cares. You cant change it so there no point arguing.

Zzonked wrote:This is now my reaction to this thread.

An incompetent fat fuck not doing his job properly?

penalty but no card imo. There's nothing Larson really could've done but he still blocked a clear goal with his hands.

Kill the bastard

Read this you fucking bunch of spastics.

http://www.thefa.com/thefa/rulesandregulations/~/media/Files/PDF/Get%20into%20Football/Referees/LOTG201011.ashx/LOTG201011.pdf

When Suarez did this everyone gave him stick

xPeterLFC95 wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Usually it isn't, it's usually only if a player tries to prevent a goalscoring chance of score a goal with it.

Someone doesn't remember a certain Mr. Ronaldo getting a second yellow. Or a Mr. Scholes. Both for intentionally handballing it.

A second yellow makes sense rather than show a yellow then a red card to the same player. You see players get sent off for two yellows when they would have had a straight red if they weren't on a card quite frequently.

Cadbury wrote:When Suarez did this everyone gave him stick

He got what he deserved so I don't see the problem. Everyone only gave stick because Gyan fucked up the pen.

TheMooseHunter wrote:http://www.eplmatches.com/2011/08/20/sunderland-vs-newcastle-highlights/

There's a video of the highlights which shows what happened.

5 seconds in.

I would not give a penalty or any booking to the defender for that.

In general, players who commit handballs can be booked. It depends on the situation. If they are denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity, it's a red card. If it's a deliberate handball, it's a yellow card. Some handballs are not bookable at all.

Ahly, non deliberate handballs are the ones that aren't punished at all. You can deliberately handball without being banned for it, so long as you're not seeking to gain an unfair advantage, that is set out by FIFA I believe. Deliberate handball is not a bookable offence in itself.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Ahly, non deliberate handballs are the ones that aren't punished at all. You can deliberately handball without being banned for it, so long as you're not seeking to gain an unfair advantage, that is set out by FIFA I believe. Deliberate handball is not a bookable offence in itself.

No, deliberate handball is not a bookable offense in itself, but it can fall under unsporting behavior. Handball is one of those purely subjective calls and I personally find it the hardest call to make for a referee.

No foul, play on.. i've seen Szczesny do it loads of times.

Chris wrote:No foul, play on.. i've seen Szczesny do it loads of times.

Red Card, Penalty.

Scott wrote:You're the only one who's voted no foul, play on. You stupid boy.

I watched it yesterday. I thought it should of played on too.

Red card, penalty.

On the line.....it doesn't matter whether it's on purpose or not.

I hate how people make decisions of whether it is a foul or not based on whether it was intentional or not.

Intentional or not, a foul is a foul.....in this situation you're preventing a goal and a red card is deserved.

If someone accidentally trips a player, it's still a foul. If they accidentally do a foul throw, the other team get the throw in.......

Lux wrote:Red card, penalty.

On the line.....it doesn't matter whether it's on purpose or not.

I hate how people make decisions of whether it is a foul or not based on whether it was intentional or not.

Intentional or not, a foul is a foul.....in this situation you're preventing a goal and a red card is deserved.

If someone accidentally trips a player, it's still a foul. If they accidentally do a foul throw, the other team get the throw in.......

If a player makes a careless, reckless or dangerous action, and trips his opponent, it is a foul. It is however specified in the Laws of the Game that a handball must be intentional for a foul to occur. I hope this helps.