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    Handling the ball on the goal-line accidentally.

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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:54 am

    So, if a player handles on the goal-line, preventing a clear goal, but it was accidental. What should happen?

    If anyone has a video/gif of the Sunderland/Newcastle incident, please post it.
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    Post by VivaRonaldoLAD Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:55 am

    This thread should be good.

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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:55 am

    Depends on how accidental it is. Handling the ball on the goal-line accidentally. 279869
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:56 am

    Are you asking under the Laws of the Game as they stand or what the Laws of the game should be?
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    Post by VivaRonaldoLAD Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:56 am

    xPeterLFC95 wrote:Depends on how accidental it is. Handling the ball on the goal-line accidentally. 279869

    Larsson's arm was out-stretched.
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:56 am

    xPeterLFC95 wrote:Depends on how accidental it is. Handling the ball on the goal-line accidentally. 279869

    What? Accidental only means one thing. Done by accident. Genuinely.
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    Post by dena Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:58 am

    Ehh it's tough to determine 'accidental' so I guess I'd say yellow + penalty Neutral
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:58 am

    Scott wrote:
    xPeterLFC95 wrote:Depends on how accidental it is. Handling the ball on the goal-line accidentally. 279869

    What? Accidental only means one thing. Done by accident. Genuinely.
    What if the player has lost his balance, reaches out his harm to balance himself, and it hits his outstretched hand? Handling the ball on the goal-line accidentally. 279869 Sorry to be pedantic.

    In my opinion, that should be a red card and a penalty.
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    Post by LFC_Grunners Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:59 am

    No Booking + Penalty.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:59 am

    dena wrote:Ehh it's tough to determine 'accidental' so I guess I'd say yellow + penalty Neutral

    HOW CAN IT BE A YELLOW CARD? If it's a foul that prevents a goal then it's a red card, it absolutely has to be. What the fuck are you giving him a yellow card for anyway? Handball isn't a bookable offence.
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:00 am

    Penalty and red card if their arm is away from their body.
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    Post by Grenade Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:01 am

    Yellow card and peno. Would be a harsh yellow but if you don't then people will purposely do it and try lie about it being an accident.
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:01 am

    http://www.eplmatches.com/2011/08/20/sunderland-vs-newcastle-highlights/

    There's a video of the highlights which shows what happened. shifty

    5 seconds in. shifty




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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:02 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    dena wrote:Ehh it's tough to determine 'accidental' so I guess I'd say yellow + penalty Neutral

    HOW CAN IT BE A YELLOW CARD? If it's a foul that prevents a goal then it's a red card, it absolutely has to be. What the fuck are you giving him a yellow card for anyway? Handball isn't a bookable offence.

    Handling the ball on the goal-line accidentally. Calm-down
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    Post by Drake Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:02 am

    Accidental is like Matt Mills's v Forest this weekend.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:02 am

    I can't believe how fucking stupid you guys are, it really does amaze me. Have any of you who have voted that it's a penalty actually read the Laws of the Game?
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:03 am

    You're the only one who's voted no foul, play on. You stupid boy.
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:03 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    dena wrote:Ehh it's tough to determine 'accidental' so I guess I'd say yellow + penalty Neutral

    HOW CAN IT BE A YELLOW CARD? If it's a foul that prevents a goal then it's a red card, it absolutely has to be. What the fuck are you giving him a yellow card for anyway? Handball isn't a bookable offence.


    Outside of the area a yellow card is usually given for an intentional handball. Whether that is the way it's meant to be or not I have no idea.
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:03 am

    Afterwards Larsson said it hit his head, he knew he should have gone.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:05 am

    Scott wrote:You're the only one who's voted no foul, play on. You stupid boy.
    It's no wonder I think I'm a fucking genius when I'm on a forum with you bunch of stupid pricks. Have you read the Laws?
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    dena wrote:Ehh it's tough to determine 'accidental' so I guess I'd say yellow + penalty Neutral

    HOW CAN IT BE A YELLOW CARD? If it's a foul that prevents a goal then it's a red card, it absolutely has to be. What the fuck are you giving him a yellow card for anyway? Handball isn't a bookable offence.


    Outside of the area a yellow card is usually given for an intentional handball. Whether that is the way it's meant to be or not I have no idea.
    It's not actually, most handballs aren't punished with a yellow card unless it's considered unsporting behaviour by the referee.
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:06 am

    You're not a genius, you're pedantic.
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    Post by Laurencio Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:07 am

    Stopping the ball going into the goal with your hand when you aren't a goalkeeper is a double wammy. Red card and penalty according to the laws of the game. I disagree with the policy of the double wammy, but it's how the laws currently are.
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    Post by Zzonked Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:07 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    dena wrote:Ehh it's tough to determine 'accidental' so I guess I'd say yellow + penalty Neutral

    Handball isn't a bookable offence.

    I saw Barry Ferguson get a second yellow for a handball against us 2 years ago. It was a deliberate one, but it's definitely a bookable offense.
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:07 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Scott wrote:You're the only one who's voted no foul, play on. You stupid boy.
    It's no wonder I think I'm a fucking genius when I'm on a forum with you bunch of stupid pricks. Have you read the Laws?
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    dena wrote:Ehh it's tough to determine 'accidental' so I guess I'd say yellow + penalty Neutral

    HOW CAN IT BE A YELLOW CARD? If it's a foul that prevents a goal then it's a red card, it absolutely has to be. What the fuck are you giving him a yellow card for anyway? Handball isn't a bookable offence.


    Outside of the area a yellow card is usually given for an intentional handball. Whether that is the way it's meant to be or not I have no idea.
    It's not actually, most handballs aren't punished with a yellow card unless it's considered unsporting behaviour by the referee.

    I'm pretty sure an intentional handball is classed as unsporting behaviour.
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:08 am

    I'm still having trouble envisioning what an accidental hand ball is. Neutral If your hand is outstretched in an unnatural position and stops the shot, surely the ref will interpret it as intentional, even if it's not, so it's a stone wall penalty.
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    Post by Stranger Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:09 am

    I don't know how accidental it was, but I voted yellow + penalty.
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    Post by Barton Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:10 am

    Are we referring to Larson's handball against Newcastle? Thought it was a stone wall penalty.
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:10 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Scott wrote:You're the only one who's voted no foul, play on. You stupid boy.
    It's no wonder I think I'm a fucking genius when I'm on a forum with you bunch of stupid pricks. Have you read the Laws?
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    dena wrote:Ehh it's tough to determine 'accidental' so I guess I'd say yellow + penalty Neutral

    HOW CAN IT BE A YELLOW CARD? If it's a foul that prevents a goal then it's a red card, it absolutely has to be. What the fuck are you giving him a yellow card for anyway? Handball isn't a bookable offence.


    Outside of the area a yellow card is usually given for an intentional handball. Whether that is the way it's meant to be or not I have no idea.
    It's not actually, most handballs aren't punished with a yellow card unless it's considered unsporting behaviour by the referee.

    For a genius, you seem to have difficulty acknowledging that it was the act of handball that drew the caution.
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:10 am

    JMB_94 wrote:Are we referring to Larson's handball against Newcastle? Thought it was a stone wall penalty.

    Pretty much, yes.

    RR is the only one who thought the Ref got it right. rofl
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:11 am

    Zzonked wrote:
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    dena wrote:Ehh it's tough to determine 'accidental' so I guess I'd say yellow + penalty Neutral

    Handball isn't a bookable offence.

    I saw Barry Ferguson get a second yellow for a handball against us 2 years ago. It was a deliberate one, but it's definitely a bookable offense.
    If it isn't deliberate then it isn't a foul. Handball can constitute unsporting behaviour, which is a bookable offence, but it usually does not.
    James wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Scott wrote:You're the only one who's voted no foul, play on. You stupid boy.
    It's no wonder I think I'm a fucking genius when I'm on a forum with you bunch of stupid pricks. Have you read the Laws?
    James wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    dena wrote:Ehh it's tough to determine 'accidental' so I guess I'd say yellow + penalty Neutral

    HOW CAN IT BE A YELLOW CARD? If it's a foul that prevents a goal then it's a red card, it absolutely has to be. What the fuck are you giving him a yellow card for anyway? Handball isn't a bookable offence.


    Outside of the area a yellow card is usually given for an intentional handball. Whether that is the way it's meant to be or not I have no idea.
    It's not actually, most handballs aren't punished with a yellow card unless it's considered unsporting behaviour by the referee.

    I'm pretty sure an intentional handball is classed as unsporting behaviour.
    Usually it isn't, it's usually only if a player tries to prevent a goalscoring chance of score a goal with it.
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