Liverpool FC Official Thread

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

El_indian wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

El_indian wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:I agree that his natural reaction is to cheat. I would rather go out in the Quarter Final than cheat my way to the Semi Final, and I certainly wouldn't do what this utterly fucking contemptible bastard did if I did decide to cheat.

do you agree with me when I say many other players would have done the same?

also you can't be sure of what you would have done given it was you in that situation..

I don't know, how could I possibly know that? I like to think that footballers are honourable and wouldn't blatantly cheat like that out of honour or shame.

And lets accept for a minute that we can't be sure what I do, I can sure as hell tell you I wouldn't go around celebrating, getting carried around like I was a hero like he did in that fucking photograph.

Of course you can't possibly know for a fact, but how about a reasonable guess?

Take Rooney for example, would he have done the same in that situation? My guess, derived from my perception of him is yes, he would have done that.

Also I don't entirely agree with the post match celebrations but that's not what I'm arguing, I'm talking more about the handball itself.

would you still consider him a cheat if he had hand-balled it and acted like a depressed cunt afterwards? Maybe it was more the celebrations which pissed you off?

It's not a reasonable one guess, it's a completely baseless one, you accusing Rooney of doing it is completely baseless. What we know is that Suarez cheated his way to knocking Ghana out of the World Cup, I'm talking about facts.

If he had shown remorse I'd have had more respect for him, but he's still a cheat.

Alan wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Alan wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

I don't like Ronaldo's character, but he is nowhere near as bad as Luis Suarez, who blatantly cheats and commits what we call in this country GBH against opposing players. He is a truly foul player, and I've thought that since well before he signed for Liverpool.

Ronaldo has also done some shocking things aswell, and you said you dont like cheats. And well if Suarez is a bastard whats Ronaldo.

Ronaldo is a cynical player who often exaggerates to gain an advantage, almost always when he was actually been fouled it should be pointed out, but he has never done anything as bad as what Suarez did in that World Cup Quarter Final, and his ability is so great that it outshines any bad elements to his game, Suarez is nowhere near that good.

Almost always my ase, and if Ronaldo and his ability is that good why does he dive and play act. And of course Suarez is not as good as Ronaldo, and him celebrating after what happened in the World cup was not good looking at all, but dont tell me Ronaldo has not celebrated or other players have, when they have also cheated or play acted.

You find me a video where Ronaldo hasn't been fouled where he goes down, because I'm yet to see one. He exaggerates for the same reason any player dives, to get an extra advantage and makes defenders more careful about tackling him in the future. It makes just as much sense to do that if you have an extremely high level of ability as if you have a low one, in fact you're more likely to be fouled, it makes more sense. I have never seen anyone behave like Suarez did.

CollieBuddz wrote:

Alan wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

El_indian wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

El_indian wrote:

do you agree with me when I say many other players would have done the same?

also you can't be sure of what you would have done given it was you in that situation..

I don't know, how could I possibly know that? I like to think that footballers are honourable and wouldn't blatantly cheat like that out of honour or shame.

And lets accept for a minute that we can't be sure what I do, I can sure as hell tell you I wouldn't go around celebrating, getting carried around like I was a hero like he did in that fucking photograph.

Of course you can't possibly know for a fact, but how about a reasonable guess?

Take Rooney for example, would he have done the same in that situation? My guess, derived from my perception of him is yes, he would have done that.

Also I don't entirely agree with the post match celebrations but that's not what I'm arguing, I'm talking more about the handball itself.

would you still consider him a cheat if he had hand-balled it and acted like a depressed cunt afterwards? Maybe it was more the celebrations which pissed you off?

It's not a reasonable one guess, it's a completely baseless one, you accusing Rooney of doing it is completely baseless. What we know is that Suarez cheated his way to knocking Ghana out of the World Cup, I'm talking about facts.

If he had shown remorse I'd have had more respect for him, but he's still a cheat.

Alan wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Alan wrote:

Ronaldo has also done some shocking things aswell, and you said you dont like cheats. And well if Suarez is a bastard whats Ronaldo.

Ronaldo is a cynical player who often exaggerates to gain an advantage, almost always when he was actually been fouled it should be pointed out, but he has never done anything as bad as what Suarez did in that World Cup Quarter Final, and his ability is so great that it outshines any bad elements to his game, Suarez is nowhere near that good.

Almost always my ase, and if Ronaldo and his ability is that good why does he dive and play act. And of course Suarez is not as good as Ronaldo, and him celebrating after what happened in the World cup was not good looking at all, but dont tell me Ronaldo has not celebrated or other players have, when they have also cheated or play acted.

You find me a video where Ronaldo hasn't been fouled where he goes down, because I'm yet to see one. He exaggerates for the same reason any player dives, to get an extra advantage and makes defenders more careful about tackling him in the future. It makes just as much sense to do that if you have an extremely high level of ability as if you have a low one, in fact you're more likely to be fouled, it makes more sense. I have never seen anyone behave like Suarez did.

You must not have watched much of Ronaldo then, because yes there was times when he was fouled and yes even times when some would have said it was a dive, but there are lots of video's on youtube that show him diving, and if you watched him that often you must have seen him dive. Maybe take your Manchester United or Ronaldo specks off then, because its obvious he has dived before on one or more occasions.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Fair enough, that was pretty blatant, he didn't try to get Lampard sent off though.

CollieBuddz wrote:Suarez was merely trying to help the referee. He was fouled and then kindly pointed out the rules to the ref, that there should have been a red card there.

What better sportsmanship is there than helping the referee do his job? Isn't this what the respect campaign was about.

Nothing like the despicable Ronaldo throwing himself to the ground after the noble Lampard merely closed him down.

CollieBuddz wrote:Suarez was merely trying to help the referee. He was fouled and then kindly pointed out the rules to the ref, that there should have been a red card there.

What better sportsmanship is there than helping the referee do his job? Isn't this what the respect campaign was about.

Nothing like the despicable Ronaldo throwing himself to the ground after the noble Lampard merely closed him down.

Alan wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Fair enough, that was pretty blatant, he didn't try to get Lampard sent off though.

That was not really the piont was it, but then again it looked like he helped when Rooney got sent off in the Portugal v England game. He Ronaldo and a lot of other players are no angels are they.

CollieBuddz wrote:You saying the referee made the correct decision, doesn't make it that. It's just your interpretation.

I've seen highly respected pundits and footballers who have played at the highest level say that Richardson should have been off. I'd tend to agree with them more than you.

El_indian wrote:this is slightly beside the point but do you personally agree with the rule that if you aren't running in the direction of the goal when denied a goal scoring chance that it is only a yellow for the defender?

El_indian wrote:but is it always right?

VivaRonaldo wrote:

El_indian wrote:this is slightly beside the point but do you personally agree with the rule that if you aren't running in the direction of the goal when denied a goal scoring chance that it is only a yellow for the defender?

well if you're not running towards goal its not really a goalscoring chance imo..

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

El_indian wrote:but is it always right?

Of course not, but this was exactly the sort of case where it's right that it's applied.

El_indian wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

El_indian wrote:but is it always right?

Of course not, but this was exactly the sort of case where it's right that it's applied.

I disagree, the ball was perfectly positioned for a side-footed effort.

El_indian wrote:

VivaRonaldo wrote:

El_indian wrote:this is slightly beside the point but do you personally agree with the rule that if you aren't running in the direction of the goal when denied a goal scoring chance that it is only a yellow for the defender?

well if you're not running towards goal its not really a goalscoring chance imo..

what if the ball was 3 yards out (open goal) but you running in the direction of the corner flag and were chopped down?

VivaRonaldo wrote:

El_indian wrote:

VivaRonaldo wrote:

El_indian wrote:this is slightly beside the point but do you personally agree with the rule that if you aren't running in the direction of the goal when denied a goal scoring chance that it is only a yellow for the defender?

well if you're not running towards goal its not really a goalscoring chance imo..

what if the ball was 3 yards out (open goal) but you running in the direction of the corner flag and were chopped down?

We seen it last year when Tim Howard ( I think) brought down Maxi who had his back to goal in the 6-yard box and wasnt sent off, just a penalty.

El_indian wrote:

VivaRonaldo wrote:

El_indian wrote:

VivaRonaldo wrote:

El_indian wrote:this is slightly beside the point but do you personally agree with the rule that if you aren't running in the direction of the goal when denied a goal scoring chance that it is only a yellow for the defender?

well if you're not running towards goal its not really a goalscoring chance imo..

what if the ball was 3 yards out (open goal) but you running in the direction of the corner flag and were chopped down?

We seen it last year when Tim Howard ( I think) brought down Maxi who had his back to goal in the 6-yard box and wasnt sent off, just a penalty.

that's because the ref adhered to the rules (I'm guessing, because I don't remember this and cbf looking for it), I'm questioning this rule.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:It really is amazing how you've managed to reduce this debate from is Suarez a dirty cheating cunt to is Cristiano Ronaldo a nice person, well done Al.