Suarez banned for eight games.

Lux wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Of course you can, racism is a belief in the inequality of races, a racial slur is a means to wind someone up.

If you're not racist but you say a racial slur, then you're not racist and shouldn't be punished for racism...

Suarez didn't use a racial slur to wind someone up, I don't see how anyone could view what he said in that way.

He wasn't punished for racism, he was punished for using racial abuse.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Lux wrote:

If you're not racist but you say a racial slur, then you're not racist and shouldn't be punished for racism...

Suarez didn't use a racial slur to wind someone up, I don't see how anyone could view what he said in that way.

He wasn't punished for racism, he was punished for using racial abuse.

To racially abuse you should have racist intent. If you don't then it's a misunderstanding and should never have these consequences.

Jordo wrote:

Scott wrote:



Really doubt Johnson would say something like this if he believed Suarez to be racist.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/1400/04/exclusive-%E2%80%93-mcgrath-if-i-was-johnson-i%E2%80%99d-have-thrown-suarez-shirt-floor

And...he's black. My point is once again proven.

Lux wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

He wasn't punished for racism, he was punished for using racial abuse.

To racially abuse you should have racist intent. If you don't then it's a misunderstanding and should never have these consequences.

Right, I'm not a racist, but I think it'll wind my opponent up by constantly referring to him as a nigger throughout a match. Should I be punished?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Right, I'm not a racist, but I think it'll wind my opponent up by constantly referring to him as a nigger throughout a match. Should I be punished?

If you wind someone up because of their colour then that's racist.

Dan wrote:Laurencio, are you saying that the treatment of John Terry and Luis Suarez has been the same then?

Not at all. Personally I believe that a lot of the stick Suarez has gotten has come from an absurd Liverpool vs The World mentality. I strongly believe that if Liverpool had handled it better, and if certain fans of Liverpool weren't insane, there would be signficantly less media pressure on Suarez. It would in fact be considerably more about John Terry in these past few days, and probably even before, if Liverpool and fans had kept their composure.

Although because of Liverpool's position in English football, they were always going to have a certain level of press on the case. It could all have been handled significantly better, and I stand by my statement that whomever is in charge of PR at Liverpool should be sacked.

Suarez and Liverpool missed a golden oppertunity when England's captain, Chelsea captain, head player in many Kick it Out campaigns in the UK and generally acknowledged bastard John Terry was accused of racially abusing Ferdinand with clear evidence against him. The press were ready to pounce on him, and Liverpool could have shifted the focus by keeping quiet and try to calm the storm, instead Chelsea had a short abrupt cry of outrage from a few fans, kept quiet and let Liverpool take the brunt of the attention.

I'm not saying that it's exclusively Liverpool's fault, but Manchester United hasn't said a word, Evra has been quiet after the first incident, Chelea have released one or two mildly worded statements. Liverpool on the other hand has been on this from day one, and how "great of an injustice" it is, how Patrice Evra is a liar, attempting to discredit Evra both in the media and to the comission with facts that are ironically not even true.

You are probably perfectly aware that this "massive support" you seem to be calling in from everywhere and all the attention you are putting on the issue isn't going to do Suarez or Liverpool any favours in terms of media coverage.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Lux wrote:

To racially abuse you should have racist intent. If you don't then it's a misunderstanding and should never have these consequences.

Right, I'm not a racist, but I think it'll wind my opponent up by constantly referring to him as a nigger throughout a match. Should I be punished?

Suarez didn't do that though. He practically said 'mate'.

Scott wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Right, I'm not a racist, but I think it'll wind my opponent up by constantly referring to him as a nigger throughout a match. Should I be punished?

Suarez didn't do that though. He practically said 'mate'.

Yeah, to a South American. Not to a French guy who doesnt use the negrito in his daily life.

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Scott wrote:

Suarez didn't do that though. He practically said 'mate'.

Yeah, to a South American. Not to a French guy who doesnt use the negrito in his daily life.

I'm sure it didn't even cross his mind, which proves how un-racist he is. He doesn't view people differently.

Scott wrote:

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Yeah, to a South American. Not to a French guy who doesnt use the negrito in his daily life.

I'm sure it didn't even cross his mind, which proves how un-racist he is. He doesn't view people differently.

Or he knew it would wind Evra up, but also thought he could get away with it because of its use in S.America.

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Scott wrote:

I'm sure it didn't even cross his mind, which proves how un-racist he is. He doesn't view people differently.

Or he knew it would wind Evra up, but also thought he could get away with it because of its use in S.America.

Nope. IIRC he even attempted to pat Patrice's head in a friendly manner after the ref spoke to them. Doubt he'd do such a thing if he was purposely trying to wind him up throughout the game.

Scott wrote:

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Yeah, to a South American. Not to a French guy who doesnt use the negrito in his daily life.

I'm sure it didn't even cross his mind, which proves how un-racist he is. He doesn't view people differently.

Ignorance is no defence.

Scott wrote:

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Or he knew it would wind Evra up, but also thought he could get away with it because of its use in S.America.

Nope. IIRC he even attempted to pat Patrice's head in a friendly manner after the ref spoke to them. Doubt he'd do such a thing if he was purposely trying to wind him up throughout the game.

The hell are you talking about? Did you not see the two of them exchanging words? That looked anything but friendly.

Scott wrote:

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Or he knew it would wind Evra up, but also thought he could get away with it because of its use in S.America.

Nope. IIRC he even attempted to pat Patrice's head in a friendly manner after the ref spoke to them. Doubt he'd do such a thing if he was purposely trying to wind him up throughout the game.

Nobody has confirmed nor denied that it was that particular moment the incident took place.

Laurencio wrote:Ignorance is no defence.

Exactly, so Evra shouldn't make racist claims when he's ignorant to the fact that it wasn't racist.

Lux wrote:

Laurencio wrote:Ignorance is no defence.

Exactly, so Evra shouldn't make racist claims when he's ignorant to the fact that it wasn't racist.

In England, calling someone a negro, is considered racist. If anything the fact that Suarez did not know this is the problem. Evra is not on trial here. All he did was tell the referee he was offended by what Suarez said, and that he felt racially abused. Nothing wrong with that.

Laurencio wrote:

Scott wrote:

I'm sure it didn't even cross his mind, which proves how un-racist he is. He doesn't view people differently.

Ignorance is no defence.

Scott wrote:

Nope. IIRC he even attempted to pat Patrice's head in a friendly manner after the ref spoke to them. Doubt he'd do such a thing if he was purposely trying to wind him up throughout the game.

The hell are you talking about? Did you not see the two of them exchanging words? That looked anything but friendly.

Judging from the videos, Evra was being the provocative one. Kuyt had to step in at one point.

Laurencio wrote:In England, calling someone a negro, is considered racist. If anything the fact that Suarez did not know this is the problem. Evra is not on trial here. All he did was tell the referee he was offended by what Suarez said, and that he felt racially abused. Nothing wrong with that.

Negro is the Spanish word for black. Lots of players are employed by football clubs with the knowledge that they are coming here without a good level of understanding of English.

Is saying Negro racist? Not that Suarez even said that, but for me what's more important is the context. Is Suarez saying Negrito without any racist intent any worse than if Balotelli went up to Sturridge and said "What's up ma Nigga?". Both use words which could be used to be racist....but the word itself is not racist.

Lux wrote:

Is saying Negro racist? Not that Suarez even said that, but for me what's more important is the context. Is Suarez saying Negrito without any racist intent any worse than if Balotelli went up to Sturridge and said "What's up ma Nigga?". Both use words which could be used to be racist....but the word itself is not racist.

Negrito is used by South Americans, to each other in reference to a friend. You dont walk up and say it to a French guy in the hope he thinks its friendly

VivaRonaldo wrote:Negrito is used by South Americans, to each other in reference to a friend. You dont walk up and say it to a French guy in the hope he thinks its friendly

Sure...but maybe that didn't cross his mind. When you're talking do you always think about what you're saying, when it's such a common place word for you to use?

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Lux wrote:

Is saying Negro racist? Not that Suarez even said that, but for me what's more important is the context. Is Suarez saying Negrito without any racist intent any worse than if Balotelli went up to Sturridge and said "What's up ma Nigga?". Both use words which could be used to be racist....but the word itself is not racist.

Negrito is used by South Americans, to each other in reference to a friend. You dont walk up and say it to a French guy in the hope he thinks its friendly

Suarez didn't walk up to him and say it in hope that he thinks it's friendly. It's obviously a part of Suarez's every day language and it probably just came out as a part of his natural speech.

Scott wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

Ignorance is no defence.



The hell are you talking about? Did you not see the two of them exchanging words? That looked anything but friendly.

Judging from the videos, Evra was being the provocative one. Kuyt had to step in at one point.

Not surprising given he felt he had just been racially abused.

Scott wrote:

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Negrito is used by South Americans, to each other in reference to a friend. You dont walk up and say it to a French guy in the hope he thinks its friendly

Suarez didn't walk up to him and say it in hope that he thinks it's friendly. It's obviously a part of Suarez's every day language and it probably just came out as a part of his natural speech.

I do believe you're talking out of your ass again.

grenade187 wrote:

Scott wrote:

Suarez didn't walk up to him and say it in hope that he thinks it's friendly. It's obviously a part of Suarez's every day language and it probably just came out as a part of his natural speech.

I do believe you're talking out of your ass again.

Explain how what I said is talking out of my arse.

Scott wrote:

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Negrito is used by South Americans, to each other in reference to a friend. You dont walk up and say it to a French guy in the hope he thinks its friendly

Suarez didn't walk up to him and say it in hope that he thinks it's friendly. It's obviously a part of Suarez's every day language and it probably just came out as a part of his natural speech.

But if he used it as part of his every day language, surely somebody must of warned him that it doesn't have the same meaning in this country?

I think people should just wait till the FA release the transcripts, and the reasons for the ban.

No one knows what went on, apart from the two football clubs, the two players and the panel.

Dink wrote:

Scott wrote:

Suarez didn't walk up to him and say it in hope that he thinks it's friendly. It's obviously a part of Suarez's every day language and it probably just came out as a part of his natural speech.

But if he used it as part of his every day language, surely somebody must of warned him that it doesn't have the same meaning in this country?

Negrito isn't even a word in this country.

Jordo wrote:I think people should just wait till the FA release the transcripts, and the reasons for the ban.

No one knows what went on, apart from the two football clubs, the two players and panel.

I have my doubts Liverpool know anything. If they do, they certainly didn't tell whomever wrote the statements.

Scott wrote:

Dink wrote:
But if he used it as part of his every day language, surely somebody must of warned him that it doesn't have the same meaning in this country?

Negrito isn't even a word in this country.

Even your club has commented that he said negro. They are probably just taking something out of the air, it certainly seems that way atm, but "negro" is definitely the one that is thrown around the most.

Scott wrote:

Dink wrote:
But if he used it as part of his every day language, surely somebody must of warned him that it doesn't have the same meaning in this country?

Negrito isn't even a word in this country.

It doesn't have an English translation.

I think a word that is inoffensive in one language should not be interpreted into an offensive word in another language.

Laurencio wrote:

Jordo wrote:I think people should just wait till the FA release the transcripts, and the reasons for the ban.

No one knows what went on, apart from the two football clubs, the two players and panel.

I have my doubts Liverpool know anything. If they do, they certainly didn't tell whomever wrote the statements.

Scott wrote:

Negrito isn't even a word in this country.

Even your club has commented that he said negro. They are probably just taking something out of the air, it certainly seems that way atm, but "negro" is definitely the one that is thrown around the most.

Eh?

Jordo wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

I have my doubts Liverpool know anything. If they do, they certainly didn't tell whomever wrote the statements.



Even your club has commented that he said negro. They are probably just taking something out of the air, it certainly seems that way atm, but "negro" is definitely the one that is thrown around the most.

Eh?

I seem to remember something a long the lines of "suarez responded with "Porque negro?"".