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    Suarez banned for eight games.

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    Post by Laurencio Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:39 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:Everything about Liverpool FC sticking behind Suarez no matter what, I think that helps foster an atmosphere of tribalism, us against them.

    Dalglish is loyal to a fault though. If one of his players had been accused of murder, and gave him his word he didn't do it, he'd be behind the player even if the proessecution had his prints on the murder weapon.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:44 am

    Mid January is when the FA are going to release the documents of this case.

    They should have released them with the verdict.
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    Post by Laurencio Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:45 am

    Jordo wrote:Mid January is when the FA are going to release the documents of this case.

    They should have released them with the verdict.

    Yes, because the standard procedure of the legal system must certainly be waived when Liverpool is involved Neutral
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:48 am

    Laurencio wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:Everything about Liverpool FC sticking behind Suarez no matter what, I think that helps foster an atmosphere of tribalism, us against them.

    Dalglish is loyal to a fault though. If one of his players had been accused of murder, and gave him his word he didn't do it, he'd be behind the player even if the proessecution had his prints on the murder weapon.

    I don't think so, that type of loyalty could almost be construed as admirable, it's worse than that. He is only loyal to people who he needs, there was no loyalty when it came to Charles Itandje, no understanding there, but because Suarez is Liverpool's most effective player, Dalglish will do everything in his power to protect him, and it'll make him be seen as a success.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:57 am

    Laurencio wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:Everything about Liverpool FC sticking behind Suarez no matter what, I think that helps foster an atmosphere of tribalism, us against them.

    Dalglish is loyal to a fault though. If one of his players had been accused of murder, and gave him his word he didn't do it, he'd be behind the player even if the proessecution had his prints on the murder weapon.

    lol
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    Post by Laurencio Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:01 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Laurencio wrote:

    Dalglish is loyal to a fault though. If one of his players had been accused of murder, and gave him his word he didn't do it, he'd be behind the player even if the proessecution had his prints on the murder weapon.

    I don't think so, that type of loyalty could almost be construed as admirable, it's worse than that. He is only loyal to people who he needs, there was no loyalty when it came to Charles Itandje, no understanding there, but because Suarez is Liverpool's most effective player, Dalglish will do everything in his power to protect him, and it'll make him be seen as a success.

    I think the worst part is that the more Liverpool stress this loyalty issue, and the further Suarez goes with this he could easily end up as a school example of how the FA once and for all established a tough stance on racism. There is a less than miniscule chance of this getting overturned, and if it doesn't, Suarez isn't just "the player that called Evra negro once through a probable missunderstanding", his case will be known throughout football as "That Racism case".

    If they think they are helping Suarez they are dead wrong. All they are doing is making it worse. The only way this can end "well" for Suarez is if they get the verdict overturned, and since the only defence they have is the "cultural differences" one, it's probably not going to. I feel sorry for Suarez if he, because he doesn't have competent people around him, will end up as a text book example of the fight against Racism. He doesn't deserve that.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:18 am

    Laurencio wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:Everything about Liverpool FC sticking behind Suarez no matter what, I think that helps foster an atmosphere of tribalism, us against them.

    Dalglish is loyal to a fault though. If one of his players had been accused of murder, and gave him his word he didn't do it, he'd be behind the player even if the proessecution had his prints on the murder weapon.

    Oh dear.. facepalm
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    Post by Laurencio Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:23 am

    Dan wrote:
    Laurencio wrote:

    Dalglish is loyal to a fault though. If one of his players had been accused of murder, and gave him his word he didn't do it, he'd be behind the player even if the proessecution had his prints on the murder weapon.

    Oh dear.. facepalm

    You didn't get the joking exaggeration of that did you?
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:25 am

    Tbh, after what you were rabbiting on about yesterday, it's hard to tell if you are serious or not.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:26 am

    He clearly wasn't joking. What we are witnessing is the forum-famous backtracking.
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    Post by Grenade Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:29 am

    Scott wrote:He clearly wasn't joking. What we are witnessing is the forum-famous backtracking.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:34 am

    Dalglish has worn a t-shirt with the face of a guy who was proven to have made racially abusive comment on it, and with his name on the back. He will do absolutely everything to defend his own interests, which include Liverpool's best players being available to him, regardless of whether he dresses it up as Liverpool being this great club who show loyalty to their players. It doesn't matter if they piss on the 'Let's Kick Racism out of Football' campaign that Liverpool have signed up to, what matters is that Kenneth Dalglish can have the best players available to him. If he was shite, if he was an Itandje, Dalglish wouldn't be defending him.

    Liverpool do tend to stick up for their own though, they campaigned for a guy found guilty of attempted 3 times to be freed from jail purely because he's a Liverpool supporter.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:35 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:Dalglish has worn a t-shirt with the face of a guy who was proven to have made racially abusive comment on it, and with his name on the back. He will do absolutely everything to defend his own interests, which include Liverpool's best players being available to him, regardless of whether he dresses it up as Liverpool being this great club who show loyalty to their players. It doesn't matter if they piss on the 'Let's Kick Racism out of Football' campaign that Liverpool have signed up to, what matters is that Kenneth Dalglish can have the best players available to him. If he was shite, if he was an Itandje, Dalglish wouldn't be defending him.

    Liverpool do tend to stick up for their own though, they campaigned for a guy found guilty of attempted 3 times to be freed from jail purely because he's a Liverpool supporter.

    Suarez didn't make a racially abusive comment.

    He made a friendly comment, which Evra took as racist because he's a little whiney bitch.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:35 am

    Wondered how long it would take for RR to bring up Michael Shields. Too predictable.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:38 am

    Scott wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:Dalglish has worn a t-shirt with the face of a guy who was proven to have made racially abusive comment on it, and with his name on the back. He will do absolutely everything to defend his own interests, which include Liverpool's best players being available to him, regardless of whether he dresses it up as Liverpool being this great club who show loyalty to their players. It doesn't matter if they piss on the 'Let's Kick Racism out of Football' campaign that Liverpool have signed up to, what matters is that Kenneth Dalglish can have the best players available to him. If he was shite, if he was an Itandje, Dalglish wouldn't be defending him.

    Liverpool do tend to stick up for their own though, they campaigned for a guy found guilty of attempted 3 times to be freed from jail purely because he's a Liverpool supporter.

    Suarez didn't make a racially abusive comment.

    He made a friendly comment, which Evra took as racist because he's a little whiney bitch.

    Why did the independent commission find that he made a racially abusive comment then?
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:40 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Scott wrote:

    Suarez didn't make a racially abusive comment.

    He made a friendly comment, which Evra took as racist because he's a little whiney bitch.

    Why did the independent commission find that he made a racially abusive comment then?

    Because they're stupid and I fully expect it to be reversed.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:41 am

    Because they are xenophobic.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:44 am

    Glen Johnson @glen_johnson 1m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    I will support who i want when i want!!! There are a lot of reasons why I'm standing by Luis Suarez!!!
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    Post by Grenade Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:45 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Scott wrote:

    Suarez didn't make a racially abusive comment.

    He made a friendly comment, which Evra took as racist because he's a little whiney bitch.

    Why did the independent commission find that he made a racially abusive comment then?

    What you need to understand RR is that Scott is more qualified than them, and his verdict on the matter is more relevant than theirs Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:49 am

    Jordo wrote:Glen Johnson @glen_johnson 1m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    I will support who i want when i want!!! There are a lot of reasons why I'm standing by Luis Suarez!!!

    not worthy

    Really doubt Johnson would say something like this if he believed Suarez to be racist.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:52 am

    Scott wrote:
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    Why did the independent commission find that he made a racially abusive comment then?

    Because they're stupid and I fully expect it to be reversed.
    Was pretty thick of Liverpool to approve a panel of morons, wasn't it? How do you qualify to be a QC if you're stupid anyway?
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    Post by Laurencio Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:52 am

    Scott wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:Dalglish has worn a t-shirt with the face of a guy who was proven to have made racially abusive comment on it, and with his name on the back. He will do absolutely everything to defend his own interests, which include Liverpool's best players being available to him, regardless of whether he dresses it up as Liverpool being this great club who show loyalty to their players. It doesn't matter if they piss on the 'Let's Kick Racism out of Football' campaign that Liverpool have signed up to, what matters is that Kenneth Dalglish can have the best players available to him. If he was shite, if he was an Itandje, Dalglish wouldn't be defending him.

    Liverpool do tend to stick up for their own though, they campaigned for a guy found guilty of attempted 3 times to be freed from jail purely because he's a Liverpool supporter.

    Suarez didn't make a racially abusive comment.

    He made a friendly comment, which Evra took as racist because he's a little whiney bitch.

    Scott wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:

    Why did the independent commission find that he made a racially abusive comment then?

    Because they're stupid and I fully expect it to be reversed.

    Dan wrote:Because they are xenophobic.

    He made a comment that, if uttered by anyone who isn't from South America (actually certain parts of South America) would hands down be considered racist in England and in large parts of Europe. The independent comission deemed that cultural differences wasn't a valid defence, and that Suarez' ignorance of UK culture was no excuse for his comments.

    They decided that you can not use your own culture as a defence, much like you can't in a UK court. I'm not going to quote examples of far worse crimes and use them as examples, but needless to say you can not let everything "fly" just because it's acceptable in the person's culture. I'm not entirely sure I agree with the decision myself, because I believe you need to excercise common sense on a case by case basis, but if you exclude the "cultural differences" arguement then there's only one conclusion to be made.

    Would the same words be considered racist if say Jamie Carragher, Nemanja Vidic or Bobby Zamora said them? Yes, they would. Without the cultural defence Suarez has no case. Whether it is right to exclude the cultural component in this case is another discussion. However those who believe this decision will be reverted are overly optimistic.

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    Jordo wrote:Glen Johnson @glen_johnson 1m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    I will support who i want when i want!!! There are a lot of reasons why I'm standing by Luis Suarez!!!

    not worthy

    Really doubt Johnson would say something like this if he believed Suarez to be racist.

    Scott. No one is saying Suarez is a racist. No one. He's been found guilty of racially abusing Evra. The words he used is all that matters. I have no doubt he never intended to racially abuse Evra.


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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:52 am

    Scott wrote:
    Jordo wrote:Glen Johnson @glen_johnson 1m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    I will support who i want when i want!!! There are a lot of reasons why I'm standing by Luis Suarez!!!

    not worthy

    Really doubt Johnson would say something like this if he believed Suarez to be racist.

    http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/1400/04/exclusive-%E2%80%93-mcgrath-if-i-was-johnson-i%E2%80%99d-have-thrown-suarez-shirt-floor

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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:52 am

    Scott wrote:
    Jordo wrote:Glen Johnson @glen_johnson 1m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    I will support who i want when i want!!! There are a lot of reasons why I'm standing by Luis Suarez!!!

    not worthy

    Really doubt Johnson would say something like this if he believed Suarez to be racist.

    He hasn't been banned for being a racist, he's been banned for using racial abuse.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:54 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
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    not worthy

    Really doubt Johnson would say something like this if he believed Suarez to be racist.

    He hasn't been banned for being a racist, he's been banned for using racial abuse.

    Let me rephrase then.

    Really doubt Johnson would say something like this if he believed Suarez to have racially abused Evra.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:57 am

    Laurencio, are you saying that the treatment of John Terry and Luis Suarez has been the same then?
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    Post by Lux Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:57 am

    You can't racially abuse someone if you're not racist.

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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:58 am

    Scott wrote:
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    He hasn't been banned for being a racist, he's been banned for using racial abuse.

    Let me rephrase then.

    Really doubt Johnson would say something like this if he believed Suarez to have racially abused Evra.

    Glen Johnson didn't even hear it though?
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:58 am

    Lux wrote:You can't racially abuse someone if you're not racist.


    Of course you can, racism is a belief in the inequality of races, a racial slur is a means to wind someone up.
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    Post by Lux Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:00 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Lux wrote:You can't racially abuse someone if you're not racist.


    Of course you can, racism is a belief in the inequality of races, a racial slur is a means to wind someone up.

    If you're not racist but you say a racial slur, then you're not racist and shouldn't be punished for racism...

    Suarez didn't use a racial slur to wind someone up, I don't see how anyone could view what he said in that way.

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