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    Suarez banned for eight games.

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    Post by Dink Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:57 am

    Scott wrote:
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    But if he used it as part of his every day language, surely somebody must of warned him that it doesn't have the same meaning in this country?

    Negrito isn't even a word in this country.
    Obviously. But would you talk to a black person and call them a negrito? You know it's friendly, surely the other guy should to?

    No doubt you will say you aren't south american, but the point is even though you mean to say it in a friendly manner they can still be offended by it. I'm just baffled of why Suarez would of said it in a match like that, most likely knowing the variations of the word "negrito". Also, with Evra claiming he said it 10 times to him you can obviously see he took it the wrong way yet Suarez kept saying it.
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    Post by Barton Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:02 am

    So negrito is supposed to mean 'black person' in Spanish? I don't even understand the wind up, if it is true and that's all he said. Like he's referring to him as a black guy as if it's a bad thing? Strange. Laughing
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    Post by Laurencio Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:04 am

    Dink wrote:
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    Negrito isn't even a word in this country.
    Obviously. But would you talk to a black person and call them a negrito? You know it's friendly, surely the other guy should to?

    No doubt you will say you aren't south american, but the point is even though you mean to say it in a friendly manner they can still be offended by it. I'm just baffled of why Suarez would of said it in a match like that, most likely knowing the variations of the word "negrito". Also, with Evra claiming he said it 10 times to him you can obviously see he took it the wrong way yet Suarez kept saying it.

    He probably thought he was just winding him up by being a child about it.

    "Porque negro?"
    "porque?"
    "porque negro?"
    "Porque me vaya?"
    "Porque negro?"
    "Porque?"
    "No gusta mi negro?"
    "Porque Negro?"

    or translated to Suarez speak:

    "Why my friend?"
    "Why?"
    "Why my friend?"
    "Why do you want me gone?"
    "Why my friend?"
    "Why?"
    "Don't you like me bud?"
    "Why my friend?"

    What Evra heard:

    "Why negro?"
    "Why?"
    "Why negro?"
    "Why do you want me gone?"
    "Why Negro?"
    "Why?"
    "Don't you like me negro?"
    "Why negro?"




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    Post by Mason Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:23 am

    Either both players should have been charged or neither. Tit for tat. No witnesses, natrual justice would have prevailed. Suarez has been stitched up good and proper since each player uttered words which may have been deemed offensive by the other.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:26 am

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    Scott wrote:

    Let me rephrase then.

    Really doubt Johnson would say something like this if he believed Suarez to have racially abused Evra.
    Neither did anyone else except Patrice

    Glen Johnson didn't even hear it though?
    Neither did anyone else except Patrice.
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    Post by Laurencio Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:26 am

    Mason wrote:Either both players should have been charged or neither. Tit for tat. No witnesses, natrual justice would have prevailed. Suarez has been stitched up good and proper since each player uttered words which may have been deemed offensive by the other.

    On what possible grounds should Evra be charged?
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    Post by Mason Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:27 am

    Laurencio wrote:
    Mason wrote:Either both players should have been charged or neither. Tit for tat. No witnesses, natrual justice would have prevailed. Suarez has been stitched up good and proper since each player uttered words which may have been deemed offensive by the other.

    On what possible grounds should Evra be charged?

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    Post by Laurencio Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:29 am

    Mason wrote:
    Laurencio wrote:

    On what possible grounds should Evra be charged?

    How do we know Evra didn't racially abuse Suarez first? Suarez banned for eight games. - Page 28 214775

    No one has actually accused him of racially abusing Suarez, except for a desperate plea by Liverpool after their "discredit Evra" campaign fell to pieces.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:32 am

    http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/127402.html


    Suarez ban 'ridiculously harsh' - Ian Wright »
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    Ian Wright admits the potential exists for black players to play the blame game after the FA's handling of the Suarez-Evra case © Getty Images Enlarge





    Former Arsenal striker Ian Wright has blamed the FA for creating the ill feeling currently surrounding the Luis Suarez race row, insisting the governing body has encouraged any player of colour to aim accusations at rival players.

    Wright, in his regular column for the Sun, made it clear that - whilst no evidence is forthcoming - he cannot approve the guilty verdict issued to Suarez, who has been banned for eight games. Indeed, using the scarce facts available to him, Wright labels the current punishment "ridiculously harsh".


    The former England man questions why the FA did not release documentation alongside the announcement of Suarez's punishment, detailing the evidence for its decision.

    Liverpool have reacted angrily first via a statement, and then by wearing provocative t-shirts supporting their player, while the fans sang his name relentlessly during the 0-0 draw at Wigan. Wright can see a dangerous siege mentality building, and he is convinced the FA's current actions have made it easy for other players to play the blame game.

    "When the Luis Suarez race row took two months to reach a conclusion, the last thing I expected as the verdict came was another can of worms to burst open," Wright said. "What a mess it has become. Yet what an avoidable one it could have been had things been handled differently.


    "If Suarez is bang to rights then, yes, of course he should face a lengthy ban. Yet the way the Independent Disciplinary Commission - and subsequent FA statement - went about things has in many ways muddied the waters even more.

    "All we know so far is that Evra accused the Liverpool forward of racial abuse and the verdict has been reached on the back of that. Clearly you would imagine there must be more to it than that - so why now does everyone have to wait until the written judgement is delivered for a full explanation?


    "Any Merseyside calls of a witch-hunt would have been nipped in the bud. Instead, given the lack of public evidence regarding the exact details of the case, there is still a huge sense of mystery. Surely it would have made more sense for the written proof, which everyone is waiting for, to have been published on the day of the verdict.

    "Now all we've got is another bout of name calling from Liverpool to the FA and it's not doing anybody any favours."

    Offering his views on Suarez, as things stand, Wright admits he can only side with the Liverpool player, because the FA has given him no evidence on which to judge against him.

    "As I said, if Suarez is guilty as charged, then some could say he is lucky to have escaped with the suspension he has. But, at the moment, I have to say I think the punishment - on all public evidence - is ridiculously harsh because it was based only on what Patrice said he was called.

    "All Tuesday's decision has done is give fuel to the sceptics who reckon the race card has been played here - and it's so stupid, so easily avoided.
    "Let's get one thing straight immediately. I am not calling Evra a liar, far from it, because something obviously went on. But as it is, this could be said to have opened the way for any black player who might have an axe to grind to accuse others in a similar way - and that sets a very dangerous precedent indeed. It has paved the way for any player to accuse another of anything."



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    Post by Mason Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:32 am

    Laurencio wrote:
    Mason wrote:

    How do we know Evra didn't racially abuse Suarez first? Suarez banned for eight games. - Page 28 214775

    No one has actually accused him of racially abusing Suarez, except for a desperate plea by Liverpool after their "discredit Evra" campaign fell to pieces.

    Am I right saying that Suarez called Evra "a black man"?
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    Post by Kuled Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:33 am

    Mason wrote:Either both players should have been charged or neither. Tit for tat. No witnesses, natrual justice would have prevailed. Suarez has been stitched up good and proper since each player uttered words which may have been deemed offensive by the other.
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    Post by Mason Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:35 am

    Kuled wrote:
    Mason wrote:Either both players should have been charged or neither. Tit for tat. No witnesses, natrual justice would have prevailed. Suarez has been stitched up good and proper since each player uttered words which may have been deemed offensive by the other.
    Suarez banned for eight games. - Page 28 Tumblr_lv2o5cUabV1qhaz39o1_250

    Are you actually going to contribute to this discussion or not?
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:37 am

    Laurencio wrote:
    Mason wrote:

    How do we know Evra didn't racially abuse Suarez first? Suarez banned for eight games. - Page 28 214775

    No one has actually accused him of racially abusing Suarez, except for a desperate plea by Liverpool after their "discredit Evra" campaign fell to pieces.

    It was spoken of before.. Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:42 am

    This world is fucking bonkers, now they are going to use cameras tonight at the Tottenham v Chelsea game to see if anyone abuses John Terry. Fuck me they better stop football crowds singing certain songs that get sung every week at football games.Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Cadbury Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:44 am

    Alan wrote:This world is fucking bonkers, now they are going to use cameras tonight at the Tottenham v Chelsea game to see if anyone abuses John Terry. Fuck me they better stop football crowds singing certain songs that get sung every week at football games.Rolling Eyes

    rofl..

    Political correctness gone mad.
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    Post by Kuled Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:45 am

    Mason wrote:
    Kuled wrote:Suarez banned for eight games. - Page 28 Tumblr_lv2o5cUabV1qhaz39o1_250

    Are you actually going to contribute to this discussion or not?
    NOPE LOL
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:45 am

    -_-
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    Post by Laurencio Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:48 am

    Dan wrote:
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    No one has actually accused him of racially abusing Suarez, except for a desperate plea by Liverpool after their "discredit Evra" campaign fell to pieces.

    It was spoken of before.. Rolling Eyes

    When? The alledged "Don't touch me south american" part was compelete news to me. They even made a point about Suarez not having said anyhting about it (which quite frankly is ridiculous).
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    Post by Demba Ba Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:49 am

    Good god, turning this onto Evra now with false claims?
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    Post by Laurencio Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:51 am

    cheesy wrote:Good god, turning this onto Evra now with false claims?

    Now? Where have you been the past few months?

    About bloody time:

    http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/wanted-new-full-time-journalist
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:53 am

    Laurencio, a question. Why do you care so much?
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:54 am

    Laurencio wrote:
    Dan wrote:

    It was spoken of before.. Rolling Eyes

    When? The alledged "Don't touch me south american" part was compelete news to me. They even made a point about Suarez not having said anyhting about it (which quite frankly is ridiculous).

    The wording is new, the stance that Evra also said something is nothing new.
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    Post by Mason Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:55 am

    Laurencino, am I correct in saying that Suarez just called Evra a "black man" or not?
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    Post by VivaRonaldoLAD Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:56 am

    Laurencio not worthy


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    Post by Laurencio Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:56 am

    Eternal Witcher wrote:Laurencio, a question. Why do you care so much?

    Because I find the attacks on Patrice Evra disgusting and totally out of line. I find the entire handling of the affair to be evidence towards how much racism is still a serous issue in world football, one that is being undermined by certain parties, and I find that disgraceful. Surprisingly enough I have little issue with Suarez himself, it's all the people who surrounds him I have a problem with.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:57 am

    Laurencio wrote:
    Dan wrote:

    It was spoken of before.. Rolling Eyes

    When? The alledged "Don't touch me south american" part was compelete news to me. They even made a point about Suarez not having said anyhting about it (which quite frankly is ridiculous).

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2074811/Luis-Suarez-v-Patrice-Evra-Everything-need-know-race-row.html

    15th December.


    WHAT HAPPENED?


    Manchester United faced Liverpool at Anfield on October 15. In the 57th minute Suarez fouled Evra and tempers flared at the next corner. They squared up to each other and Evra asked why Suarez kicked him. Suarez said he should forget about it, these things happen. Evra claims Suarez then became racially abusive, using the word 'negro'. Suarez denies using the word in that clash. Evra is clearly wound up, but nearby players do not seem particularly bothered.
    A few minutes later Marriner calls the pair together. Suarez apologises and tries to pat Evra on the head. It is alleged Evra said: 'Don't touch me, you South American,' to which Suarez replies: 'Porque, negro?'


    Evra catches Kuyt two minutes later and is booked. He allegedly shouts at Marriner: 'You're only booking me because I'm black.'
    Suarez is bemused, saying: 'I called him something his team-mates call him and even they were surprised by his reaction.'
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    Post by Laurencio Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:00 am

    Jordo wrote:
    Laurencio wrote:

    When? The alledged "Don't touch me south american" part was compelete news to me. They even made a point about Suarez not having said anyhting about it (which quite frankly is ridiculous).

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2074811/Luis-Suarez-v-Patrice-Evra-Everything-need-know-race-row.html

    15th December.


    WHAT HAPPENED?


    Manchester United faced Liverpool at Anfield on October 15. In the 57th minute Suarez fouled Evra and tempers flared at the next corner. They squared up to each other and Evra asked why Suarez kicked him. Suarez said he should forget about it, these things happen. Evra claims Suarez then became racially abusive, using the word 'negro'. Suarez denies using the word in that clash. Evra is clearly wound up, but nearby players do not seem particularly bothered.
    A few minutes later Marriner calls the pair together. Suarez apologises and tries to pat Evra on the head. It is alleged Evra said: 'Don't touch me, you South American,' to which Suarez replies: 'Porque, negro?'


    Evra catches Kuyt two minutes later and is booked. He allegedly shouts at Marriner: 'You're only booking me because I'm black.'
    Suarez is bemused, saying: 'I called him something his team-mates call him and even they were surprised by his reaction.'

    The daily mail is not a realiable source. I don't read that rubbish.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:03 am

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/15/luis-suarez-patrice-evra-case


    At the same time, new details have emerged that make it clear the evidence of the referee, Andre Marriner, could be vital. Marriner reportedly called the pair together for a lecture after they had become involved in some pushing at a Liverpool corner. When Suárez attempted to pat his opponent on the head, Evra allegedly pulled away and said: "Don't touch me, you South American." The Uruguayan replied: "Por qué [why], negro?"

    Evra was clearly annoyed by something and it was also reported that when he was shown a yellow card later in the match, he allegedly said to Marriner: "You're only booking me because I'm black."

    Marriner, however, is said to have been unaware that there had been a complaint of racism until after the game when Evra, accompanied by Sir Alex Ferguson, United's manager, went to the referee's office.

    Better source? shifty
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:13 am

    Jordo wrote:
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    Negrito isn't even a word in this country.

    It doesn't have an English translation.

    I think a word that is inoffensive in one language should not be interpreted into an offensive word in another language.

    Look here you niggawaffle

    Look, the word doesn't exist so it must not be racist Laughing
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:25 am

    Honestly, do people here really think that a man who dives, a man who cheats African countries out of the World Cup, a man who bites people, a man who stamps on players, a man who constantly harangues the referee, would be above trying to wind up an opponent as much as possible?

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