John Terry shouts racist abuse?

Scott wrote:How can I prove I have a deaf brother then? You name it, I'll do it.

Do whatever you like, it doesn't matter. If he does exist, I'd like to see you prove he's an infallible lip reader.

VivaRonaldo wrote:It means he never denied saying black cunt, he just said people took how he said it wrong.

It doesn't mean that at all.

Where has he been asked "Did you call Ferdinand a black cunt on the pitch?", with Terry replying "I don't deny saying that, but it was taken out of context."

Also, I can remember Scott mentioning his deaf brother in the past.

Also also, I don't even think that saying "Black cunt" is necessarily racist anyway, even if Terry did say it. Black = description of his colour. Cunt = description of his behaviour. Sure, it may be unnecessary but no one ever says that "White trash" is racist.

Read the SkySports article...it doesnt say anything about him being asked what he said.

He released his own statement after seeing people on the internet talking about it.

Anderson=Class wrote:Sky

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11668_7262261,00.html

"I thought Anton was accusing me of using a racist slur against him," he said. "I responded aggressively, saying I never used that term." The key part of the footage, where the England captain said he shouted "Oi, Anton, I never said …",

All that suggests is that he has said the words to Ferdinand to explain that he did not say that, in response to Ferdinand questioning whether he said it.


E.G.......I say "Hi" to someone. They say "Did you just call me a nigga?"...I say "I did not call you a nigga". Then they show footage of me saying "I did not call you a nigga" and say that I am racist.

You do enjoy putting words into people's mouths don't you, RR? When did I ever say he was an infallible lip-reader? All I've said is that he's been lip-reading all his life and I'd take his word for it over some internet forum members who can't lip-read for shit but pretend they can just so they can bash a player they dislike.

If this was Wayne Rooney, I'm firmly sure you'd be on the 'bellend' side of the argument.

Yes, but if you watch the video you cant see him saying "do you think I called you a black cunt".. he simply says "Oi Anton, you black cunt"

VivaRonaldo wrote:Yes, but if you watch the video you cant see him saying "do you think I called you a black cunt".. he simply says "Oi Anton, you black cunt"

There's nothing "he simply says" about it. Obscured footage which is blocked off so that the whole conversation can't be heard, without sound and without any official complaint from Ferdinand sums up just how simple it isn't.

If Ferdinand does complain then that is different, but I don't think you can assume Terry is racist.....innocent until proven guilty.

Lux wrote:

VivaRonaldo wrote:Yes, but if you watch the video you cant see him saying "do you think I called you a black cunt".. he simply says "Oi Anton, you black cunt"

There's nothing "he simply says" about it. Obscured footage which is blocked off so that the whole conversation can't be heard, without sound and without any official complaint from Ferdinand sums up just how simple it isn't.

There is a video of the footage without the blocking off his lips on the last page.

If he just called him a bell end then he would have come out and said that, obviously.

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Lux wrote:

There's nothing "he simply says" about it. Obscured footage which is blocked off so that the whole conversation can't be heard, without sound and without any official complaint from Ferdinand sums up just how simple it isn't.

There is a video of the footage without the blocking off his lips on the last page.

The video I've seen has Ashley Cole walking past and blocking part off.....would be a bit weird for him to not notice when he is right there.....?

Also....it's not clear at all. Like many people have said, it's easy to think something is said when the idea is planted in your head.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:If he just called him a bell end then he would have come out and said that, obviously.

Not necessarily.

Lux wrote:

The video I've seen has Ashley Cole walking past and blocking part off.....would be a bit weird for him to not notice when he is right there.....?

Also....it's not clear at all. Like many people have said, it's easy to think something is said when the idea is planted in your head.

Nah, watch the video on the last page, nothing is blocked.

Scott wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:If he just called him a bell end then he would have come out and said that, obviously.

Not necessarily.

Why the fuck not?

Why would he come out to the public, as Chelsea and England captain, admitting to calling another team mate, a 'fucking bellend' and 'fucking knobhead' ? He obviously wouldn't, he's supposed to be a role model.

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Lux wrote:

The video I've seen has Ashley Cole walking past and blocking part off.....would be a bit weird for him to not notice when he is right there.....?

Also....it's not clear at all. Like many people have said, it's easy to think something is said when the idea is planted in your head.

Nah, watch the video on the last page, nothing is blocked.

Where......? The last page of what?.......I haven't seen any video on page 5 or 6 of this thread, which I assume is what you mean.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Scott wrote:

Not necessarily.

Why the fuck not?

He may not have seen the video when he made those comments. The whole article and the quotes are a bit iffy too. The thing about him saying it outside the dressing room just throws it off and makes me believe he's been mis-quoted to fit with the video.

Listen, he wants to clear his name. He comes out and says what he said to Anton was taken out of context... thats not denying he said black cunt, hes saying when I did say it.. people seen it the wrong way.

@Lux, Scott posted it a few pages back.

IIBentII39 wrote:Why would he come out to the public, as Chelsea and England captain, admitting to calling another team mate, a 'fucking bellend' and 'fucking knobhead' ? He obviously wouldn't, he's supposed to be a role model.

It's a lot worse to be calling someone a black cunt, which is what pretty much everyone except for Scott and the Holloway sisters think, than it is to be calling them a bellend. Anton Ferdinand has never been a team-mate of John Terry anyway.

If he didnt say it then surely he would have denied it completely, and not just say it was taken out of context,

Scott wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Why the fuck not?

He may not have seen the video when he made those comments. The whole article and the quotes are a bit iffy too. The thing about him saying it outside the dressing room just throws it off and makes me believe he's been mis-quoted to fit with the video.

Yes, the Guardian, Sky Sports and the Daily Mail, nationwide news broadcasters, all either A) got it wrong or B) are conspiring against John Terry, or Scott's brother made a mistake lipreading a video. Tough call.

VivaRonaldo wrote:Listen, he wants to clear his name. He comes out and says what he said to Anton was taken out of context... thats not denying he said black cunt, hes saying when I did say it.. people seen it the wrong way.

@Lux, Scott posted it a few pages back.

Ashley Cole is in the video Scott posted

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Scott wrote:

He may not have seen the video when he made those comments. The whole article and the quotes are a bit iffy too. The thing about him saying it outside the dressing room just throws it off and makes me believe he's been mis-quoted to fit with the video.

Yes, the Guardian, Sky Sports and the Daily Mail, nationwide news broadcasters, all either A) got it wrong or B) are conspiring against John Terry, or Scott's brother made a mistake lipreading a video. Tough call.

You're just seeing things how you want to see it, as usual.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Yes, the Guardian, Sky Sports and the Daily Mail, nationwide news broadcasters, all either A) got it wrong or B) are conspiring against John Terry, or Scott's brother made a mistake lipreading a video. Tough call.

Gee, the newspapers making the most out of nothing when it comes to big sports stars....no way!.....I guess we can assume that they are right because the media are always honest.

Lux wrote:

VivaRonaldo wrote:Listen, he wants to clear his name. He comes out and says what he said to Anton was taken out of context... thats not denying he said black cunt, hes saying when I did say it.. people seen it the wrong way.

@Lux, Scott posted it a few pages back.

Ashley Cole is in the video Scott posted

Yes, but hes already past Terry

Scott wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Yes, the Guardian, Sky Sports and the Daily Mail, nationwide news broadcasters, all either A) got it wrong or B) are conspiring against John Terry, or Scott's brother made a mistake lipreading a video. Tough call.

You're just seeing things how you want to see it, as usual.

So you're saying they all got it wrong then?

VivaRonaldo wrote:

Lux wrote:

Ashley Cole is in the video Scott posted

Yes, but hes already past Terry

Terry starts talking before Cole passes, so presumably he is saying stuff whilst Cole is in the way

He wouldnt have said "Oi Anton, you think I called you a fuckin" in the second that Ashley walks past.

Scott wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Yes, the Guardian, Sky Sports and the Daily Mail, nationwide news broadcasters, all either A) got it wrong or B) are conspiring against John Terry, or Scott's brother made a mistake lipreading a video. Tough call.

You're just seeing things how you want to see it, as usual.

I don't want to see it at all, I would much rather John Terry was just calling him a bell end rather than racially abusing him, I would much rather that certain people's agenda, to bring back the 80s, was unsuccessful, but I am just evaluating the facts honestly. The evidence available at the moment strongly suggests that John Terry did say the words 'Black cunt', regardless of their intent. If not then I'm sure he would have denied using those words, rather than merely saying they were out of context.

Lux wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Yes, the Guardian, Sky Sports and the Daily Mail, nationwide news broadcasters, all either A) got it wrong or B) are conspiring against John Terry, or Scott's brother made a mistake lipreading a video. Tough call.

Gee, the newspapers making the most out of nothing when it comes to big sports stars....no way!.....I guess we can assume that they are right because the media are always honest.

All making up the same story? With quotes? I don't buy that.

VivaRonaldo wrote:He wouldnt have said "Oi Anton, you think I called you a fuckin" in the second that Ashley walks past.

Of course not, but people are trying to pretend that they know everything when they have absolutely no way of knowing for sure what exactly was said and it's context.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:All making up the same story? With quotes? I don't buy that.

I do, I think it's the most believable thing out of this whole shitstorm.

They take a quote that means NOTHING, and twist it to make Terry look bad....which when you consider the grief they give every star these days......(especially football/rugby stars) is very obvious.

Lux wrote:

VivaRonaldo wrote:He wouldnt have said "Oi Anton, you think I called you a fuckin" in the second that Ashley walks past.

Of course not, but people are trying to pretend that they know everything when they have absolutely no way of knowing for sure what exactly was said and it's context.

But why would he not completely deny it if he didnt say it? Surely that would be the first thing to do if what you said wasnt "black cunt"