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    Post by arsenalap11 Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:57 am

    AriseForLife wrote:
    Chris wrote:Arise you want Arshavin to play? I'm shook.

    Our defence has played one game and got a clean sheet, you're just hating cause you don't like Kos?

    Yeah I want him to play because he has to and he has to play well. He is a natural attacking midfielder and if Wenger is intent on playing the central midfielder in an advanced role, that suits Arshavin perfectly. It's time for him to start showing his class.

    As for our defense, it's still shit. We kept a clean sheet against an inferior Newcastle, but our defense is weaker this season than last season when it was shit. With no improvements we will surrender 40 or more goals again this season and Wenger has no excuses other than his shit managing over these last 2 seasons.

    I don't like Laurent because he is shit, its not hating it's fact.

    No it fucking isn't. Stop trying to put your opinions over as fact, it didn't bother me at first but now it is.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:58 am

    Arise has a point to be fair
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    Post by arsenalap11 Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:00 am

    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Arise has a point to be fair

    He isn't shit. He still has things to improve on, but he has also had very good games.
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    Post by The Bat-Man Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:00 am

    Koscielny is badass.

    And quality.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:01 am

    Hes had some good games but for a 10 million rated defender (No competition to sign him from other clubs ..) he is not good enough.
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    Post by SBSP Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:01 am

    It's hardly a fact though.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:02 am

    I know but he has a point Koscielny has been shit more than he has been very good.
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    Post by Coatsy Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:02 am

    I was quite impressed with the Koscielny Vermaelen partnership personally its when Squillaci/Djourou are introduced that all hell breaks loose. On the whole defence is weaker issue,we need a new left back but all of last season we had to face the prospect of Djourou and Squillaci which was horrific. Atleast we have Vermaelen this season.

    I still think we need a new left back or a versatile center back though.


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    Post by SBSP Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:03 am

    He hasn't had a proper chance to play with Vermaelen. Now he has, and he looked solid.
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    Post by arsenalap11 Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:03 am

    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Hes had some good games but for a 10 million rated defender (No competition to sign him from other clubs ..) he is not good enough.

    No he wasn't worth that, but that's not what he said.

    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:I know but he has a point Koscielny has been shit more than he has been very good.

    Doesn't make him shit though does it. Besides, Koscielny was only proper shit when he played next to Squillaci. When he and Djourou played together, they had a streak of games where they didn't lose together and barely conceded. And he's done well whenever he's been next to Vermaelen too.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:03 am

    When Vermaelen has to go Left back its going to be a disaster facepalm Repeat of the 07/08 catastrophe when Toure got moved to RB and Song partnered Gallas.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:06 am

    arsenalap11 wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Hes had some good games but for a 10 million rated defender (No competition to sign him from other clubs ..) he is not good enough.

    No he wasn't worth that, but that's not what he said.

    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:I know but he has a point Koscielny has been shit more than he has been very good.

    Doesn't make him shit though does it. Besides, Koscielny was only proper shit when he played next to Squillaci. When he and Djourou played together, they had a streak of games where they didn't lose together and barely conceded. And he's done well whenever he's been next to Vermaelen too.
    I know what he said he said its fact. Its not but he has a point in saying he is shit. Maybe he will improve i don't know but this is a dangerous season and i don't want to gamble on a player that was playing in Ligue 2 a few years ago (as first choice)...
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    Post by AriseForLife Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:09 am

    Fact or not he is shit. If you think he is good enough to start at Arsenal then you're hopeless. Our collective defense is shit and that is FACT, if you want proof look at the plethora of mistakes from last year or the 40+ goals we conceded.

    Laurent cost more than players of a superior caliber such as Per, Zap, Samba, and countless other defenders who would improve us.
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:10 am

    I've had a long think about who could replace Fabregas and the only realistic player that I can think of is Honda and tbh I would much rather have Honda than Jadson.

    Apparently he has a £12mill buy out clause on his contract which would leave us with around £22mill to sign Mata.
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    Post by Jamie Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:10 am

    You should buy Kenwyne Jones imo.
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    Post by arsenalap11 Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:10 am

    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:
    arsenalap11 wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Hes had some good games but for a 10 million rated defender (No competition to sign him from other clubs ..) he is not good enough.

    No he wasn't worth that, but that's not what he said.

    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:I know but he has a point Koscielny has been shit more than he has been very good.

    Doesn't make him shit though does it. Besides, Koscielny was only proper shit when he played next to Squillaci. When he and Djourou played together, they had a streak of games where they didn't lose together and barely conceded. And he's done well whenever he's been next to Vermaelen too.
    I know what he said he said its fact. Its not but he has a point in saying he is shit. Maybe he will improve i don't know but this is a dangerous season and i don't want to gamble on a player that was playing in Ligue 2 a few years ago (as first choice)...

    Don't think anyone has said they want Koscielny as first choice though scratch

    We're just saying he's not shit.
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    Post by The Zlatan Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:12 am

    Shit. I completely forgot about Honda.

    Sign him up wank 2
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    Post by Cadbury Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:13 am

    Jamie wrote:You should buy Kenwyne Jones imo.

    He's our's.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:13 am

    Hes not Arsenal quality. (Koscielny)
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    Post by arsenalap11 Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:14 am

    AriseForLife wrote:Fact or not he is shit. If you think he is good enough to start at Arsenal then you're hopeless. Our collective defense is shit and that is FACT, if you want proof look at the plethora of mistakes from last year or the 40+ goals we conceded.

    Laurent cost more than players of a superior caliber such as Per, Zap, Samba, and countless other defenders who would improve us.

    If you want to think he's shit, go ahead. Nobody said he should start. Our collective defense was one of the best in the league last season, and very good at defending on the floor but was the worst at defending set pieces, so saying it's shit is all relative, but again, is NOT FACT.

    Splashy wrote:I've had a long think about who could replace Fabregas and the only realistic player that I can think of is Honda and tbh I would much rather have Honda than Jadson.

    Apparently he has a £12mill buy out clause on his contract which would leave us with around £22mill to sign Mata.

    Honda is very similar to Jadson. Neither are amazing passers, but good shooters. There are other players i'd rather have then him myself.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:15 am

    Our defence in any aspect was nowhere near the best in the league facepalm
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:15 am

    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Hes not Arsenal quality. (Koscielny)

    He probably isn't but he's our best chance of signing a good attacking midfielder/playmaker.

    All the other playmakers are already playing at top clubs and it would be a step down/sideways for them if they joined Arsenal.

    EDIT: Ooops I thought you was talking about Honda. Embarassed


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    Post by arsenalap11 Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:15 am

    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Hes not Arsenal quality. (Koscielny)

    I think he is as a 3rd choice. He looks like he's bulked up a bit more, and is used to the PL more now. Stick him next to Squillaci like most of last season, then yes he's shit. As long as we keep Squillaci away from him, he'll be fine.
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:15 am

    What the fuck is this Samba hype? he is ridiculously decent and Jones made him look good
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    Post by arsenalap11 Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:16 am

    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Our defence in any aspect was nowhere near the best in the league Official Arsenal FC Thread - Page 26 58503

    Our defense was the 4th best in the league last season. Although, realistically it would be 6th or so because we keep more possession, but that's still one of the best in the league. Our problem was set pieces, which is a team problem, not just the defence. On the ground we were good at defending.


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    Post by Theo Filippo Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:16 am

    Splashy wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Hes not Arsenal quality. (Koscielny)

    He probably isn't but he's our best chance of signing a good attacking midfielder/playmaker.

    All the other playmakers are already playing at top clubs and it would be a step down/sideways for them if they joined Arsenal.
    Re-read the brackets Laughing
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:17 am

    arsenalap11 wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Hes not Arsenal quality. (Koscielny)

    I think he is as a 3rd choice. He looks like he's bulked up a bit more, and is used to the PL more now.

    Nailed it
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:18 am

    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:
    Splashy wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Hes not Arsenal quality. (Koscielny)

    He probably isn't but he's our best chance of signing a good attacking midfielder/playmaker.

    All the other playmakers are already playing at top clubs and it would be a step down/sideways for them if they joined Arsenal.
    Re-read the brackets Laughing

    I know Embarassed

    I just edited my post.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:19 am

    arsenalap11 wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Hes not Arsenal quality. (Koscielny)

    I think he is as a 3rd choice. He looks like he's bulked up a bit more, and is used to the PL more now. Stick him next to Squillaci like most of last season, then yes he's shit. As long as we keep Squillaci away from him, he'll be fine.
    I wouldn't be that worried if he was a 3rd choice CB but a starter IMO is a big no.

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    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Our defence in any aspect was nowhere near the best in the league Official Arsenal FC Thread - Page 26 58503

    Our defense was the 4th best in the league last season. Although, realistically it would be 6th because we keep more possession, but that's still one of the best in the league.
    That is not good enough Laughing, maybe i am being unrealistic tell me if i am think
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    Post by arsenalap11 Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:20 am

    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:
    arsenalap11 wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Hes not Arsenal quality. (Koscielny)

    I think he is as a 3rd choice. He looks like he's bulked up a bit more, and is used to the PL more now. Stick him next to Squillaci like most of last season, then yes he's shit. As long as we keep Squillaci away from him, he'll be fine.
    I wouldn't be that worried if he was a 3rd choice CB but a starter IMO is a big no.

    arsenalap11 wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:Our defence in any aspect was nowhere near the best in the league Official Arsenal FC Thread - Page 26 58503

    Our defense was the 4th best in the league last season. Although, realistically it would be 6th because we keep more possession, but that's still one of the best in the league.
    That is not good enough Laughing, maybe i am being unrealistic tell me if i am Official Arsenal FC Thread - Page 26 214775

    Oh no, I'm not saying it is good enough, but we would have conceded about half as many goals if it wasn't for set pieces, which is a team issue, not just the defence. In open play we had a pretty good defense. Either way, i'm arguing against the so called 'FACT' that our defense is shit according to Arise.

    And as for Koscielny, yeah I don't think he should start either, but I don't think anyone has said he should.

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