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    Is Scholes the greatest English player ever?

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    Post by Jordi Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:17 pm

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Jordi wrote:Picked up 8 England caps, therefore an English footballer in my book.

    Good luck finding a publisher, the reason he played for England is that Guernsey don't have a football team. If your national team disbanded, and then the French national team called you up, would that make you French??
    Depends if you got international caps for the 'disbanded' team.

    Wouldn't make you actually 'French' so to speak, but you would be a French international footballer.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:19 pm

    Jordi wrote:
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    Jordi wrote:Picked up 8 England caps, therefore an English footballer in my book.

    Good luck finding a publisher, the reason he played for England is that Guernsey don't have a football team. If your national team disbanded, and then the French national team called you up, would that make you French??
    Depends if you got international caps for the 'disbanded' team.

    Wouldn't make you actually 'French' so to speak, but you would be a French international footballer.

    You'd be a player for the French National Team, you wouldn't be French.
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    Post by Jordi Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:21 pm

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Jordi wrote:
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    Jordi wrote:Picked up 8 England caps, therefore an English footballer in my book.

    Good luck finding a publisher, the reason he played for England is that Guernsey don't have a football team. If your national team disbanded, and then the French national team called you up, would that make you French??
    Depends if you got international caps for the 'disbanded' team.

    Wouldn't make you actually 'French' so to speak, but you would be a French international footballer.

    You'd be a player for the French National Team, you wouldn't be French.
    That's exactly what I was getting at.. :-.-:
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:23 pm

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    RoryOB94 wrote:Gerrard needs a Torres to look good

    Whoever you think is better is your opinion, but most players need to have good players playing with them, and certain types of players can help the likes of Gerrard and others. But he Gerrard has carried Liverpool football club way to much over the years, and you need to be something special to also do what he did for Liverpool. I would have loved to have seen Gerrard playing in a team with better players in it, like a team and a Squad with more match winners.

    Because through out a lot of his time at Liverpool the club has lacked match winners and real quality, and he has not played in a team or a squad good enough to win a League title, but he Gerrard was also top class and what he has done for Liverpool in his time, and in some of these teams that lacked quality, it should never be forgotten how good he has been.

    He has played with match winners though, for the national team, he doesn't look any better, in fact he looks worse.

    What that great national team that has done so well over the years, and has looked absolute class in the major competitions. I mean Scholes was good for England at times, but David Beckham i think carried England so many times when others did not play well. Who else has looked good for some of those England teams, Owen, Shearer and Scholes, ive seen lots of top class players not exactly looking that good in an England shirt.


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    Post by Harrold Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:24 pm

    Jordi wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Jordi wrote:
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    Jordi wrote:Picked up 8 England caps, therefore an English footballer in my book.

    Good luck finding a publisher, the reason he played for England is that Guernsey don't have a football team. If your national team disbanded, and then the French national team called you up, would that make you French??
    Depends if you got international caps for the 'disbanded' team.

    Wouldn't make you actually 'French' so to speak, but you would be a French international footballer.

    You'd be a player for the French National Team, you wouldn't be French.
    That's exactly what I was getting at.. Scholes? - Page 3 427590

    Looking at what you said it doesn't seem that way. You said he would be a French international footballer, but he wouldn't he would be a player for the French team thus not making him French.
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    Post by Jordi Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:26 pm

    Tbf, I worded it wrong. Meant French international team player. Not French International.

    Oh fuck it, you know what I meant. shifty
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    Post by Harrold Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:28 pm

    I did. I was just fucking with you. You'd have every right to say he was the best England international ever just not English international ever.
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:29 pm

    RoryOB94 wrote:
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    RoryOB94 wrote:Gerrard needs a Torres to look good

    Whoever you think is better is your opinion, but most players need to have good players playing with them, and certain types of players can help the likes of Gerrard and others. But he Gerrard has carried Liverpool football club way to much over the years, and you need to be something special to also do what he did for Liverpool. I would have loved to have seen Gerrard playing in a team with better players in it, like a team and a Squad with more match winners.

    Because through out a lot of his time at Liverpool the club has lacked match winners and real quality, and he has not played in a team or a squad good enough to win a League title, but he Gerrard was also top class and what he has done for Liverpool in his time, and in some of these teams that lacked quality, it should never be forgotten how good he has been.
    OK, "look good" was a poor choice of words but imo he certainly played better during the Torres era

    Yes he did and im not saying Gerrard made Torres, but i think they both worked well playing with each other. He also looked not bad when Owen played for Liverpool ,but i think they also helped each other.
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:32 pm

    Duncan Edwards......

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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:32 pm

    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:
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    Jay wrote:It's stupid when people voice their opinion and say "it's not even debatable", of course it's debatable, it's a fucking forum, that's the whole point of it.

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    Laughing Liverpool fans clutching at straws.

    It could have been worse, he Gerrard could have played in a team with a world class midfield and still win fuck all for seasons.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:33 pm

    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:
    Fonseca wrote:
    Jay wrote:It's stupid when people voice their opinion and say "it's not even debatable", of course it's debatable, it's a fucking forum, that's the whole point of it.

    Bramble v Pique

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    It could have been worse, he Gerrard could have played in a team with a world class midfield and still win fuck all for seasons.
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:33 pm

    People saying Scholes is the best English midfielder ever, then laughing at people that think Gerrard/Lampard are better than Scholes.. rofl
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:35 pm

    its a disgrace to scholes that gerrard is being compared to him
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    Post by Harrold Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:35 pm

    mauro=beast wrote:its a disgrace to scholes that gerrard is being compared to him

    Its also a disgrace that Scholes is even being considered the best ever English player.
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:36 pm

    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:
    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:
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    Jay wrote:It's stupid when people voice their opinion and say "it's not even debatable", of course it's debatable, it's a fucking forum, that's the whole point of it.

    Bramble v Pique

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    It could have been worse, he Gerrard could have played in a team with a world class midfield and still win fuck all for seasons.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:37 pm

    The older generation tend to have a tendency of overrating players from the 60s take Alan (Liverpool FC 4 ever) as an example, 'Dalglish is one of the best players ever' rofl
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:38 pm

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    mauro=beast wrote:its a disgrace to scholes that gerrard is being compared to him

    Its also a disgrace that Scholes is even being considered the best ever English player.

    who would you say are best english players ever?
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    Post by Harrold Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:38 pm

    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:
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    Bramble v Pique

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    It could have been worse, he Gerrard could have played in a team with a world class midfield and still win fuck all for seasons.
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    What scratch

    He meant he has played in a team with a world class midfield and won nothing, like you said he coud of, by playing for England.
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    Post by Theo Filippo Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:38 pm

    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:
    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:
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    Bramble v Pique

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    It could have been worse, he Gerrard could have played in a team with a world class midfield and still win fuck all for seasons.
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    Post by dena Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:38 pm

    Dan wrote:People saying Scholes is the best English midfielder ever, then laughing at people that think Gerrard/Lampard are better than Scholes.. rofl

    There is a bigger gap between Gerrard/Lamps and Scholes between Scholes/the greatest English player
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    Post by Jordi Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:38 pm

    mauro=beast wrote:
    Mutant123 wrote:
    mauro=beast wrote:its a disgrace to scholes that gerrard is being compared to him

    Its also a disgrace that Scholes is even being considered the best ever English player.

    who would you say are best english players ever?
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:39 pm

    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:The older generation tend to have a tendency of overrating players from the 60s take Alan (Liverpool FC 4 ever) as an example, 'Dalglish is one of the best players ever' Scholes? - Page 3 70955

    typical, that old man needs a brain transplant

    he also said previously that alan hansen is better than any defender of the current decade
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:40 pm

    mauro=beast wrote:its a disgrace to scholes that gerrard is being compared to him

    Its a disgrace that you are allowed on this forum, and how is it a disgrace, whoever you think was better.
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:40 pm

    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:
    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:
    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote: Laughing Liverpool fans clutching at straws.

    It could have been worse, he Gerrard could have played in a team with a world class midfield and still win fuck all for seasons.
    England.

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    What about England.
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:41 pm

    dena wrote:
    Dan wrote:People saying Scholes is the best English midfielder ever, then laughing at people that think Gerrard/Lampard are better than Scholes.. rofl

    There is a bigger gap between Gerrard/Lamps and Scholes between Scholes/the greatest English player

    Not at all.

    I'd love to see Scholes carry some of the shite sides that Gerrard has had to in the past. Scholes has always had the luxury of playing in the best team in the league, with the best players.
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    Post by Scouser_Dave Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:41 pm

    dena wrote:
    Dan wrote:People saying Scholes is the best English midfielder ever, then laughing at people that think Gerrard/Lampard are better than Scholes.. rofl

    There is a bigger gap between Gerrard/Lamps and Scholes between Scholes/the greatest English player

    No there's not Laughing

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    Post by Harrold Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:41 pm

    mauro=beast wrote:
    Mutant123 wrote:
    mauro=beast wrote:its a disgrace to scholes that gerrard is being compared to him

    Its also a disgrace that Scholes is even being considered the best ever English player.

    who would you say are best english players ever?

    You can't just say "so and so is the best" because everyone wants to compare and you can't. Football has developed over the years. You can't say Scholes would have been as good as he was if he played back in the 60s, 70s or 80s but then players from then may not be as good had the played now.

    So the short answer is I can't name just one.

    But one man if I was forced to chose who it would be is Mr.Phil Neville. He has played in midfield and across the back line for England, he is our very own John O'shea.


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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:41 pm

    mauro=beast wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:The older generation tend to have a tendency of overrating players from the 60s take Alan (Liverpool FC 4 ever) as an example, 'Dalglish is one of the best players ever' Scholes? - Page 3 70955

    typical, that old man needs a brain transplant

    he also said previously that alan hansen is better than any defender of the current decade

    He's definitely right up there with the best at the very least.
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:45 pm

    Dan wrote:
    mauro=beast wrote:
    Filippo Inzaghi wrote:The older generation tend to have a tendency of overrating players from the 60s take Alan (Liverpool FC 4 ever) as an example, 'Dalglish is one of the best players ever' Scholes? - Page 3 70955

    typical, that old man needs a brain transplant

    he also said previously that alan hansen is better than any defender of the current decade

    He's definitely right up there with the best at the very least.

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    Post by El Jefe Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:48 pm

    How many times have people had this argument on this forum? Laughing

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