Scholes?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:I'm not even going to argue this, saying Gerrard is better than Scholes is like saying Joe Cole is better than Lionel Messi. Are scousers born like that or something?

Well done on the great comparison there RR Are all United fans as special as you or something?

Scholes is better than Lampard and Gerrard

Chris wrote:Prime Gerrard > Prime Scholes imo

Off-topic: Chris brah MSN

Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:I think Paul Scholes was an absolute class footballer, and his passing and vision and the way he found space on the pitch was amazing. He also played more as an attacking midfielder when he was younger, but when he got older he sat back in the midfield and could run a game from the middle of the pitch. Dont know if he is the greatest but i would put him up there as one of the greatest.

This, he was absolutely exceptional in two very different roles, that's something very few players can do. 06/07 he was absolutely incredible.

Scouser_Dave wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:I'm not even going to argue this, saying Gerrard is better than Scholes is like saying Joe Cole is better than Lionel Messi. Are scousers born like that or something?

Well done on the great comparison there RR Are all United fans as special as you or something?

If only.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:I'm not even going to argue this, saying Gerrard is better than Scholes is like saying Joe Cole is better than Lionel Messi. Are scousers born like that or something?

I think thats taking a bit to far, whoever you think is better. Gerrard and Scholes where different players, but saying its like saying Cole is better than Messi has taken it to far.

I don't think Scholes is the greatest ever English player, one of our best ever players yes just not the best.

Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:I'm not even going to argue this, saying Gerrard is better than Scholes is like saying Joe Cole is better than Lionel Messi. Are scousers born like that or something?

I think thats taking a bit to far, whoever you think is better. Gerrard and Scholes where different players, but saying its like saying Cole is better than Messi has taken it to far.

Scholes was better than Gerrard when he was playing off a forward, him playing behind van Nistelrooy resulted in RvN getting 80 goals in two seasons, with Scholes himself getting respectable totals, and he was a whole hell of a lot better when he was played central in a 4-4-2, that's beyond argument.

Comparing Scholes to a player that has constantly lead his team to failure due to his inability to control a midfield

Gerrard needs a Torres to look good

RoryOB94 wrote:Gerrard needs a Torres to look good

Other way round.

Scouser_Dave wrote:

RoryOB94 wrote:

Scouser_Dave wrote:No.

Who do you think is then?

Gerrard, with Lampard not far behind him.

You don't help yourself do you?

This is now a Gerrard thread.

I think Scholes is one of the best English midfielders and best ever players but to put him above players like Moore, Charlton, Shilton, Banks, I would even say Shearer and Gascoigne.

Le Tissier > all them amateurs.

Le Tissier isn't even English, he was born in Guernsey.

RoryOB94 wrote:Gerrard needs a Torres to look good

Whoever you think is better is your opinion, but most players need to have good players playing with them, and certain types of players can help the likes of Gerrard and others. But he Gerrard has carried Liverpool football club way to much over the years, and you need to be something special to also do what he did for Liverpool. I would have loved to have seen Gerrard playing in a team with better players in it, like a team and a Squad with more match winners.

Because through out a lot of his time at Liverpool the club has lacked match winners and real quality, and he has not played in a team or a squad good enough to win a League title, but he Gerrard was also top class and what he has done for Liverpool in his time, and in some of these teams that lacked quality, it should never be forgotten how good he has been.

Picked up 8 England caps, therefore an English footballer in my book.

Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:

RoryOB94 wrote:Gerrard needs a Torres to look good

Whoever you think is better is your opinion, but most players need to have good players playing with them, and certain types of players can help the likes of Gerrard and others. But he Gerrard has carried Liverpool football club way to much over the years, and you need to be something special to also do what he did for Liverpool. I would have loved to have seen Gerrard playing in a team with better players in it, like a team and a Squad with more match winners.

Because through out a lot of his time at Liverpool the club has lacked match winners and real quality, and he has not played in a team or a squad good enough to win a League title, but he Gerrard was also top class and what he has done for Liverpool in his time, and in some of these teams that lacked quality, it should never be forgotten how good he has been.

He has played with match winners though, for the national team, he doesn't look any better, in fact he looks worse.

Fonseca wrote:

Scouser_Dave wrote:

RoryOB94 wrote:

Scouser_Dave wrote:No.

Who do you think is then?

Gerrard, with Lampard not far behind him.

You don't help yourself do you?

For having an opinion on a football forum, no your right I can't help that

Jordi wrote:Picked up 8 England caps, therefore an English footballer in my book.

What about some like Deco or Liedson, both are Brazilian but capped for Portugal. Both are classed as Brazilian.

Mutant123 wrote:

Jordi wrote:Picked up 8 England caps, therefore an English footballer in my book.

What about some like Deco or Liedson, both are Brazilian but capped for Portugal. Both are classed as Brazilian.

In my opinion, they are Portuguese footballers, not necessarily their first nationality.

Le Tissier is a weird one though, cos he could have played for France, England, Scotland, or Wales. He chose to play for England, and is therefore an English footballer.

Jordi wrote:

Mutant123 wrote:

Jordi wrote:Picked up 8 England caps, therefore an English footballer in my book.

What about some like Deco or Liedson, both are Brazilian but capped for Portugal. Both are classed as Brazilian.

In my opinion, they are Portuguese footballers, not necessarily their first nationality.

Le Tissier is a weird one though, cos he could have played for France, England, Scotland, or Wales. He chose to play for England, and is therefore an English footballer.

He isn't an English just because he is capped for us. What about all of the African nations who have players from France and vice versa?

It's stupid when people voice their opinion and say "it's not even debatable", of course it's debatable, it's a fucking forum, that's the whole point of it.

Jay wrote:It's stupid when people voice their opinion and say "it's not even debatable", of course it's debatable, it's a fucking forum, that's the whole point of it.

Bramble v Pique

Go

Mutant123 wrote:

Jordi wrote:

Mutant123 wrote:

Jordi wrote:Picked up 8 England caps, therefore an English footballer in my book.

What about some like Deco or Liedson, both are Brazilian but capped for Portugal. Both are classed as Brazilian.

In my opinion, they are Portuguese footballers, not necessarily their first nationality.

Le Tissier is a weird one though, cos he could have played for France, England, Scotland, or Wales. He chose to play for England, and is therefore an English footballer.

He isn't an English just because he is capped for us. What about all of the African nations who have players from France and vice versa?

I said English footballer. Didn't say that English is his main nationality.

Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:

RoryOB94 wrote:Gerrard needs a Torres to look good

Whoever you think is better is your opinion, but most players need to have good players playing with them, and certain types of players can help the likes of Gerrard and others. But he Gerrard has carried Liverpool football club way to much over the years, and you need to be something special to also do what he did for Liverpool. I would have loved to have seen Gerrard playing in a team with better players in it, like a team and a Squad with more match winners.

Because through out a lot of his time at Liverpool the club has lacked match winners and real quality, and he has not played in a team or a squad good enough to win a League title, but he Gerrard was also top class and what he has done for Liverpool in his time, and in some of these teams that lacked quality, it should never be forgotten how good he has been.

OK, "look good" was a poor choice of words but imo he certainly played better during the Torres era

Fonseca wrote:

Jay wrote:It's stupid when people voice their opinion and say "it's not even debatable", of course it's debatable, it's a fucking forum, that's the whole point of it.

Bramble v Pique

Go

Liverpool fans clutching at straws.

Jordi wrote:Picked up 8 England caps, therefore an English footballer in my book.

Good luck finding a publisher, the reason he played for England is that Guernsey don't have a football team. If your national team disbanded, and then the French national team called you up, would that make you French??

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Jordi wrote:Picked up 8 England caps, therefore an English footballer in my book.

Good luck finding a publisher, the reason he played for England is that Guernsey don't have a football team. If your national team disbanded, and then the French national team called you up, would that make you French??

He wouldn't be eligible for the french team