You thought he was 26?SBSP wrote:Nah, I just forgot how old he was.ahlycotc wrote:SBSP wrote:Messi was only 21 in 2006.
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I thought he was 24.kyro7 wrote:You thought he was 26?SBSP wrote:Nah, I just forgot how old he was.ahlycotc wrote:SBSP wrote:Messi was only 21 in 2006.
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I don't even know what was going through my head TBH. 
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Many act like he dominated it though.ahlycotc wrote:chiboygeorge wrote:2006 WC is much exaggeration, I wonder if many people even watched it because for sure Messi wasn't all that. He was decent but it's not like without him they would be disaster.
These are not much games? that's like 7-12 out of 50...so it's good enough to say a player is good after 7-12 good games out of like 50+?
He played his first WC matches with Argentina at 18/19 years of age. He was brought on as a sub and still performed well.
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He is 24.SBSP wrote:I thought he was 24.kyro7 wrote:You thought he was 26?SBSP wrote:Nah, I just forgot how old he was.ahlycotc wrote:SBSP wrote:Messi was only 21 in 2006.
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chiboygeorge wrote:Missed that, but if you don't watch much how can you possibly come to conclusion or debate that he's not as good when playing for Argentina...but doesn't really matter now anyways.kyro7 wrote:He did say he hasn't watched many games.chiboygeorge wrote:2006 WC is much exaggeration, I wonder if many people even watched it because for sure Messi wasn't all that. He was decent but it's not like without him they would be disaster.ahlycotc wrote:chiboygeorge wrote:If Messi was amazing for Argentina like you all say...then it should be quite easy to list games he's played good in right?
I don't watch many Argentina games, but here are the ones I can think of off the top of my head...
v Portugal (Friendly)
v Mexico (Copa America)
In 2006 + 2010 WCs
v USA (Friendly)
v Costa Rica (today)
There are more out there that I can't think of right now.
These are not much games? that's like 7-12 out of 50...so it's good enough to say a player is good after 7-12 good games out of like 50+?
I never argued with you about his performances for Argentina being less than with Barcelona (nobody has). But you have underrated him far too much with Argentina and implied that he is generally shit for Argentina. That's my only beef with your views.
The fact that I have watched a few Argentina matches and already seen several great performances from Messi suggests that he is not shit or even below average for Argentina as you state.
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people are retards, i bet ones saying messi does fuck all for argentina are the ones that watch 1 out of 20 argentina games and the other 19 they look at the goal scorers and if messi is not one of them they say he was shit
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I swear I looked on wikipedia five minutes ago, and it said 23. Now it says 24.
Just shoot me now.
Just shoot me now.
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This is such a fuck up from you but I'll let you off, we'll never speak of this again.SBSP wrote:I swear I looked on wikipedia five minutes ago, and it said 23. Now it says 24.
Just shoot me now.
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SBSP wrote:I swear I looked on wikipedia five minutes ago, and it said 23. Now it says 24.
Just shoot me now.
He turned 24 three minutes ago.
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Borderline Hall of Shame from SBSP.
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I might as well just end it now. There's no point in carrying on now that I've messed this up.kyro7 wrote:This is such a fuck up from you but I'll let you off, we'll never speak of this again.SBSP wrote:I swear I looked on wikipedia five minutes ago, and it said 23. Now it says 24.
Just shoot me now.
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If you say so that I have underated him then you have not seen other Argentines. But I don't think I overly underate his performances...just saying what I've seen. I don't also think I make him out to be shit, but I'd like to say Fine Shagger sometimes does exaggerate things and I think people pick up on it.ahlycotc wrote:chiboygeorge wrote:Missed that, but if you don't watch much how can you possibly come to conclusion or debate that he's not as good when playing for Argentina...but doesn't really matter now anyways.kyro7 wrote:He did say he hasn't watched many games.chiboygeorge wrote:2006 WC is much exaggeration, I wonder if many people even watched it because for sure Messi wasn't all that. He was decent but it's not like without him they would be disaster.ahlycotc wrote:
I don't watch many Argentina games, but here are the ones I can think of off the top of my head...
v Portugal (Friendly)
v Mexico (Copa America)
In 2006 + 2010 WCs
v USA (Friendly)
v Costa Rica (today)
There are more out there that I can't think of right now.
These are not much games? that's like 7-12 out of 50...so it's good enough to say a player is good after 7-12 good games out of like 50+?
I never argued with you about his performances for Argentina being less than with Barcelona (nobody has). But you have underrated him far too much with Argentina and implied that he is generally shit for Argentina. That's my only beef with your views.
The fact that I have watched a few Argentina matches and already seen several great performances from Messi suggests that he is not shit or even below average for Argentina as you state.
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You exaggerate, I pick up on it then you get pissy about it.
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I get pissy?Fine Shagger wrote:You exaggerate, I pick up on it then you get pissy about it.
I don't exaggerate things you say...I say it the way you said it. But for me you always try to lie to others and make things worse than I said..but it's all good. 
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All it took is one game against an under 23 team...
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I don't even like his reserves but I definetly would play a 4-2-3-1, something like this:Romero
Zabaleta Burdisso Pareja Rojo
Masche Biglia
DiMaria Pastore/Messi Kun
Messi/Higuain
Now fix the defense Batista
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sponans wrote:sponans wrote:
I don't even like his reserves but I definetly would play a 4-2-3-1, something like this:Romero
Zabaleta Burdisso Pareja Rojo
Masche Biglia
DiMaria Pastore/Messi Kun
Messi/Higuain
Now fix the defense Batista
Batista: "will do, sponans!"
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chiboygeorge wrote:you are fantastic liar. Fanatic is exactly right, I dont hate messi or think hes shit....i have never said messi has NEVER played good for argentina because I always he was very good against portugal or albania.Fine Shagger wrote:Fanatic wrote:What has george exactly said? From what I recall he said that he has been poor in a number of games? Not far from the truth. He didn't say he wouldn't produce the goods or that he's a poor player.
He said I was wrong not to blame it on the shitty Tevéz and Lavezzi and the system. I replied that if Batista changes it he will beast, he obviously said otherwise.
He also said Messi has NEVER played well for Argentina
Oh and he's said Kun shouldn't start for them. He's worse than fluffy.
Fabricating things to make you look good is not right atleast try and be honest.
Your first post in this thread was:
chiboygeorge wrote:Messi is/always been shit for Argentina.
/thread.
So who's the fantastic liar who is fabricating things?
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Yes, I said he was generally shit, but I never said he NEVER played a good game...it's like this...generally he has and odd game where he's good but overall he has been shit for Argentina is that hard to comprehend?menalawyerguy wrote:chiboygeorge wrote:you are fantastic liar. Fanatic is exactly right, I dont hate messi or think hes shit....i have never said messi has NEVER played good for argentina because I always he was very good against portugal or albania.Fine Shagger wrote:Fanatic wrote:What has george exactly said? From what I recall he said that he has been poor in a number of games? Not far from the truth. He didn't say he wouldn't produce the goods or that he's a poor player.
He said I was wrong not to blame it on the shitty Tevéz and Lavezzi and the system. I replied that if Batista changes it he will beast, he obviously said otherwise.
He also said Messi has NEVER played well for Argentina
Oh and he's said Kun shouldn't start for them. He's worse than fluffy.
Fabricating things to make you look good is not right atleast try and be honest.
Your first post in this thread was:
chiboygeorge wrote:Messi is/always been shit for Argentina.
/thread.
So who's the fantastic liar who is fabricating things?
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chiboygeorge wrote:Yes, I said he was generally shit, but I never said he NEVER played a good game...it's like this...generally he has and odd game where he's good but overall he has been shit for Argentina is that hard to comprehend?menalawyerguy wrote:chiboygeorge wrote:you are fantastic liar. Fanatic is exactly right, I dont hate messi or think hes shit....i have never said messi has NEVER played good for argentina because I always he was very good against portugal or albania.Fine Shagger wrote:Fanatic wrote:What has george exactly said? From what I recall he said that he has been poor in a number of games? Not far from the truth. He didn't say he wouldn't produce the goods or that he's a poor player.
He said I was wrong not to blame it on the shitty Tevéz and Lavezzi and the system. I replied that if Batista changes it he will beast, he obviously said otherwise.
He also said Messi has NEVER played well for Argentina
Oh and he's said Kun shouldn't start for them. He's worse than fluffy.
Fabricating things to make you look good is not right atleast try and be honest.
Your first post in this thread was:chiboygeorge wrote:Messi is/always been shit for Argentina.
/thread.
So who's the fantastic liar who is fabricating things?
Always does not mean "generally." It means: always. As in: every time. Thus, saying "Messi has (sic) always been shit for Argentina" is the same as saying "Messi has never played well for Argentina." Maybe you'd be easier to comprehend if you used the right words.
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Well I'm sorry for not using words you can't understand but what I mean is that Messi 'usually' is not good for Argentina but that doesn't mean he's had some good games. I think that's better?menalawyerguy wrote:chiboygeorge wrote:Yes, I said he was generally shit, but I never said he NEVER played a good game...it's like this...generally he has and odd game where he's good but overall he has been shit for Argentina is that hard to comprehend?menalawyerguy wrote:chiboygeorge wrote:you are fantastic liar. Fanatic is exactly right, I dont hate messi or think hes shit....i have never said messi has NEVER played good for argentina because I always he was very good against portugal or albania.Fine Shagger wrote:
He said I was wrong not to blame it on the shitty Tevéz and Lavezzi and the system. I replied that if Batista changes it he will beast, he obviously said otherwise.
He also said Messi has NEVER played well for Argentina
Oh and he's said Kun shouldn't start for them. He's worse than fluffy.
Fabricating things to make you look good is not right atleast try and be honest.
Your first post in this thread was:chiboygeorge wrote:Messi is/always been shit for Argentina.
/thread.
So who's the fantastic liar who is fabricating things?
Always does not mean "generally." It means: always. As in: every time. Thus, saying "Messi has (sic) always been shit for Argentina" is the same as saying "Messi has never played well for Argentina." Maybe you'd be easier to comprehend if you used the right words.
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chiboygeorge wrote:Well I'm sorry for not using words you can't understand but what I mean is that Messi 'usually' is not good for Argentina but that doesn't mean he's had some good games. I think that's better?menalawyerguy wrote:chiboygeorge wrote:Yes, I said he was generally shit, but I never said he NEVER played a good game...it's like this...generally he has and odd game where he's good but overall he has been shit for Argentina is that hard to comprehend?menalawyerguy wrote:chiboygeorge wrote:you are fantastic liar. Fanatic is exactly right, I dont hate messi or think hes shit....i have never said messi has NEVER played good for argentina because I always he was very good against portugal or albania.
Fabricating things to make you look good is not right atleast try and be honest.
Your first post in this thread was:chiboygeorge wrote:Messi is/always been shit for Argentina.
/thread.
So who's the fantastic liar who is fabricating things?
Always does not mean "generally." It means: always. As in: every time. Thus, saying "Messi has (sic) always been shit for Argentina" is the same as saying "Messi has never played well for Argentina." Maybe you'd be easier to comprehend if you used the right words.
I can understand your words just fine. For example, I know the difference between "always" and "usually." "Usually" is a much better and more accurate description. And I agree to a limited extent: he has usually been sub-par against South American teams. But he gets a lot of shit because of his goal scoring record for country and I don't think it's fair. He seems to play a different role for Argentina than he does for Barca. He's more of the supplier than the finisher. He was excellent in the World Cup. He was setting guys up for sitters left and right, they just didn't always take it. He gets criticized because he didn't score, but that's not fair.
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Everyone brings up his performance for the World Cup, I don't disagree he was great in the WC but before going to WC..Argentina where in deep shit of not qualifying and usually when a team in suffering that's when the 'real' best players show up in my opinion. Messi didn't do that and was criticize because Argentina could have not qualified if it wasn't for one game.menalawyerguy wrote:chiboygeorge wrote:Well I'm sorry for not using words you can't understand but what I mean is that Messi 'usually' is not good for Argentina but that doesn't mean he's had some good games. I think that's better?menalawyerguy wrote:chiboygeorge wrote:Yes, I said he was generally shit, but I never said he NEVER played a good game...it's like this...generally he has and odd game where he's good but overall he has been shit for Argentina is that hard to comprehend?menalawyerguy wrote:
Your first post in this thread was:
So who's the fantastic liar who is fabricating things?
Always does not mean "generally." It means: always. As in: every time. Thus, saying "Messi has (sic) always been shit for Argentina" is the same as saying "Messi has never played well for Argentina." Maybe you'd be easier to comprehend if you used the right words.
I can understand your words just fine. For example, I know the difference between "always" and "usually." "Usually" is a much better and more accurate description. And I agree to a limited extent: he has usually been sub-par against South American teams. But he gets a lot of shit because of his goal scoring record for country and I don't think it's fair. He seems to play a different role for Argentina than he does for Barca. He's more of the supplier than the finisher. He was excellent in the World Cup. He was setting guys up for sitters left and right, they just didn't always take it. He gets criticized because he didn't score, but that's not fair.
That saying that Messi doesn't play good against South America opponents is not just some random saying...it has roots into it...even players coming out saying Messi is no danger when they play him like he is in Barca.
Most of Messi matches are against SA teams....and he hasn't played well usually in most of them...which is where I base my thought and where others base their own thought that Messi is well below par for Argentina. I don't see why some others will try and change my mind of this because he played great against Costa Rica (not even full squad but youth u-22) or that he was great in 4 WC games man.
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I have a question I should have raised a lot earlier. Has there even been an intersection of Messi playing badly and Argentina playing well?
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One I remember quite well is Argentina vs Uruguay where team played nicely especially with Veron but Messi went hiding.Rei Andros wrote:I have a question I should have raised a lot earlier. Has there even been an intersection of Messi playing badly and Argentina playing well?
Also go back in 07 Copa America against Colombia, he was very much not involved in game and team played amazing.
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Well played performance by Messi the other night, that pass to Aguero (but he missed) :jerk2:
Played against children though. so..
Played against children though. so..
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It wasn't funny.
Nice though.
Nice though.
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It was pretty funny TBH.
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