Huddlestone or Gerrard?

Cadbury wrote:Does fluffy kittens really think Joey Barton is Englands future?

He's just naming every English midfielder under the age of 25 he can think of and saying they are England's future. All of the players he named are either not good enough or need more development.

arsenalap11 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:

So, basically you're saying we should replace Gerrard and Lampard for Tom Huddlestone and Lee Cattermole.

Genius.

you'd rather see two 35 year olds playing? They couldn't win shit when they were good and now that they are both past it you want them on the team still?

And no the CM pairing will most likely be Wilshere and someone, probably Milner, but Barton, Huddlestone, Henderson, Cattermole, Rodwell, Gosling, Cleverly, Muamba, Mceachren, Shelvey, Michael Johnson, Chamberlain are all options. Or you can move someone like Adam Johnson, Ashley Young, or Stewart Downing to the middle of the park.

you gotta think towards the future. You've already had like 3 world cups with Lampard/Gerrard, do you really need a fourth? it's clear that as great as they are they will never win tournaments for England. You have to roll the dice and replace alot of the old guard.

Barton? Cattermole? Gosling? Muamba? 'Shevley'? Michael Johnson? Chamberlain a winger?

Are you just naming every signing English player you can think of even if they should be nowhere near the starting XI?

You don't know how some of those young players will progress over the next few years leading up to the WC. If I told you 5 years ago Jack Wilshere would be starting for England you might not believe it. They are all options that need to be watched closely. Some of them are ready to step in now and others certainly are not.

That's the worst example ever. Wilshere was 14 five years ago... nobody could have said he'd be starting for England. Everyone you listed are already playing for teams and some of them aren't even that young, it's quite obvious who out of them have the potential to start for England and which don't. Half of them aren't options, and none of them are ready to step in now.

How do you know until you try? If you know which have potential to start for England then please enlighten me and tell Capello while you are at it. In fact, you should just be manager.

fluffy_kittens wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

you'd rather see two 35 year olds playing? They couldn't win shit when they were good and now that they are both past it you want them on the team still?

And no the CM pairing will most likely be Wilshere and someone, probably Milner, but Barton, Huddlestone, Henderson, Cattermole, Rodwell, Gosling, Cleverly, Muamba, Mceachren, Shelvey, Michael Johnson, Chamberlain are all options. Or you can move someone like Adam Johnson, Ashley Young, or Stewart Downing to the middle of the park.

you gotta think towards the future. You've already had like 3 world cups with Lampard/Gerrard, do you really need a fourth? it's clear that as great as they are they will never win tournaments for England. You have to roll the dice and replace alot of the old guard.

Barton? Cattermole? Gosling? Muamba? 'Shevley'? Michael Johnson? Chamberlain a winger?

Are you just naming every signing English player you can think of even if they should be nowhere near the starting XI?

You don't know how some of those young players will progress over the next few years leading up to the WC. If I told you 5 years ago Jack Wilshere would be starting for England you might not believe it. They are all options that need to be watched closely. Some of them are ready to step in now and others certainly are not.

That's the worst example ever. Wilshere was 14 five years ago... nobody could have said he'd be starting for England. Everyone you listed are already playing for teams and some of them aren't even that young, it's quite obvious who out of them have the potential to start for England and which don't. Half of them aren't options, and none of them are ready to step in now.

How do you know until you try? If you know which have potential to start for England then please enlighten me and tell Capello while you are at it. In fact, you should just be manager.

What the fuck are you on about? How do I know? I watch them play for there clubs and it's quite obvious....

I should be manager? Well Capello isn't picking them either so obviously it's for a reason

JMB_94 wrote:

Cadbury wrote:Does fluffy kittens really think Joey Barton is Englands future?

He's just naming every English midfielder under the age of 25 he can think of and saying they are England's future. All of the players he named are either not good enough or need more development.

Let them develop by starting for England! What better way to develop them then by playing them against the world's top competition? Look at Wilshere, not even 20 and he is breaking through the starting lineup, why is it so unbelievable that other players could do the same?

Barton would do well in the England team. Am not bullshitting either.

arsenalap11 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

Barton? Cattermole? Gosling? Muamba? 'Shevley'? Michael Johnson? Chamberlain a winger?

Are you just naming every signing English player you can think of even if they should be nowhere near the starting XI?

You don't know how some of those young players will progress over the next few years leading up to the WC. If I told you 5 years ago Jack Wilshere would be starting for England you might not believe it. They are all options that need to be watched closely. Some of them are ready to step in now and others certainly are not.

That's the worst example ever. Wilshere was 14 five years ago... nobody could have said he'd be starting for England. Everyone you listed are already playing for teams and some of them aren't even that young, it's quite obvious who out of them have the potential to start for England and which don't. Half of them aren't options, and none of them are ready to step in now.

How do you know until you try? If you know which have potential to start for England then please enlighten me and tell Capello while you are at it. In fact, you should just be manager.

What the fuck are you on about? How do I know? I watch them play for there clubs and it's quite obvious....

I should be manager? Well Capello isn't picking them either so obviously it's for a reason

same reason he started Heskey in the WC right? yeah he is a goddamned genius. So he watches them play for their clubs then how the hell do players like Gareth Barry and Emile Heskey get picked last WC? they aren't even good for their clubs.

Tbf, Heskey was alright in qualifying.

Mr Leiva wrote:Barton would do well in the England team. Am not bullshitting either.

thank you for at least being open minded, unlike everyone else who probably thinks Cole, Ferdinand, Gerrard and Lampard should start the next WC.

fluffy_kittens wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:

Cadbury wrote:Does fluffy kittens really think Joey Barton is Englands future?

He's just naming every English midfielder under the age of 25 he can think of and saying they are England's future. All of the players he named are either not good enough or need more development.

Let them develop by starting for England! What better way to develop them then by playing them against the world's top competition? Look at Wilshere, not even 20 and he is breaking through the starting lineup, why is it so unbelievable that other players could do the same?

Don't use Wilshere as an example, because there's noone in the England youth setup like him at the moment. He isn't just starting for England, he's also played 50 games for Arsenal this season and been our player of the season.

fluffy_kittens wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

You don't know how some of those young players will progress over the next few years leading up to the WC. If I told you 5 years ago Jack Wilshere would be starting for England you might not believe it. They are all options that need to be watched closely. Some of them are ready to step in now and others certainly are not.

That's the worst example ever. Wilshere was 14 five years ago... nobody could have said he'd be starting for England. Everyone you listed are already playing for teams and some of them aren't even that young, it's quite obvious who out of them have the potential to start for England and which don't. Half of them aren't options, and none of them are ready to step in now.

How do you know until you try? If you know which have potential to start for England then please enlighten me and tell Capello while you are at it. In fact, you should just be manager.

What the fuck are you on about? How do I know? I watch them play for there clubs and it's quite obvious....

I should be manager? Well Capello isn't picking them either so obviously it's for a reason

same reason he started Heskey in the WC right? yeah he is a goddamned genius. So he watches them play for their clubs then how the hell do players like Gareth Barry and Emile Heskey get picked last WC? they aren't even good for their clubs.

What are you on about? First you tell me I should be manager and I should tell Capello what to do sarcastically. Then when I say Capellos who is the manager, hasn't picked them for a reason, you tell me Capellos an idiot. Make up your mind Heskey didn't even play that appallingly anyway, and we had no other options then Barry really.

fluffy_kittens wrote:

Mr Leiva wrote:Barton would do well in the England team. Am not bullshitting either.

thank you for at least being open minded, unlike everyone else who probably thinks Cole, Ferdinand, Gerrard and Lampard should start the next WC.

I never said they should, but half, if not most of the players you listed shouldn't either.

arsenalap11 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:

Cadbury wrote:Does fluffy kittens really think Joey Barton is Englands future?

He's just naming every English midfielder under the age of 25 he can think of and saying they are England's future. All of the players he named are either not good enough or need more development.

Let them develop by starting for England! What better way to develop them then by playing them against the world's top competition? Look at Wilshere, not even 20 and he is breaking through the starting lineup, why is it so unbelievable that other players could do the same?

Don't use Wilshere as an example, because there's noone in the England youth setup like him at the moment. He isn't just starting for England, he's also played 50 games for Arsenal this season and been our player of the season.

fluffy_kittens wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

That's the worst example ever. Wilshere was 14 five years ago... nobody could have said he'd be starting for England. Everyone you listed are already playing for teams and some of them aren't even that young, it's quite obvious who out of them have the potential to start for England and which don't. Half of them aren't options, and none of them are ready to step in now.

How do you know until you try? If you know which have potential to start for England then please enlighten me and tell Capello while you are at it. In fact, you should just be manager.

What the fuck are you on about? How do I know? I watch them play for there clubs and it's quite obvious....

I should be manager? Well Capello isn't picking them either so obviously it's for a reason

same reason he started Heskey in the WC right? yeah he is a goddamned genius. So he watches them play for their clubs then how the hell do players like Gareth Barry and Emile Heskey get picked last WC? they aren't even good for their clubs.

What are you on about? First you tell me I should be manager and I should tell Capello what to do sarcastically. Then when I say Capellos who is the manager, hasn't picked them for a reason, you tell me Capellos an idiot. Make up your mind Heskey didn't even play that appallingly anyway, and we had no other options then Barry really.

there is where you are being close minded. You know how many Central midfielders there are in England? you had thousands of options that were just never exercised.

fluffy_kittens wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:

Cadbury wrote:Does fluffy kittens really think Joey Barton is Englands future?

He's just naming every English midfielder under the age of 25 he can think of and saying they are England's future. All of the players he named are either not good enough or need more development.

Let them develop by starting for England! What better way to develop them then by playing them against the world's top competition? Look at Wilshere, not even 20 and he is breaking through the starting lineup, why is it so unbelievable that other players could do the same?

They wouldn't develop, most of the players you named would get fucking slaughtered at international level. Imagine if we suddenly decided to to replace the current senior England team with the U21's. That wouldn't work would it?

Cam wrote:Tbf, Heskey was alright in qualifying.

What does that have to do with anything?

JMB_94 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:

Cadbury wrote:Does fluffy kittens really think Joey Barton is Englands future?

He's just naming every English midfielder under the age of 25 he can think of and saying they are England's future. All of the players he named are either not good enough or need more development.

Let them develop by starting for England! What better way to develop them then by playing them against the world's top competition? Look at Wilshere, not even 20 and he is breaking through the starting lineup, why is it so unbelievable that other players could do the same?

They wouldn't develop, most of the players you named would get fucking slaughtered at international level. Imagine if we suddenly decided to to replace the current senior England team with the U21's. That wouldn't work would it?

Cam wrote:Tbf, Heskey was alright in qualifying.

What does that have to do with anything?

you pretty much get slaughtered with your "best" players anyway. Not qualifying for Euros, getting beasted in the WC by Germany, if thats not slaughter idk what is.

fluffy_kittens wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:

Cadbury wrote:Does fluffy kittens really think Joey Barton is Englands future?

He's just naming every English midfielder under the age of 25 he can think of and saying they are England's future. All of the players he named are either not good enough or need more development.

Let them develop by starting for England! What better way to develop them then by playing them against the world's top competition? Look at Wilshere, not even 20 and he is breaking through the starting lineup, why is it so unbelievable that other players could do the same?

Don't use Wilshere as an example, because there's noone in the England youth setup like him at the moment. He isn't just starting for England, he's also played 50 games for Arsenal this season and been our player of the season.

fluffy_kittens wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote: How do you know until you try? If you know which have potential to start for England then please enlighten me and tell Capello while you are at it. In fact, you should just be manager.

What the fuck are you on about? How do I know? I watch them play for there clubs and it's quite obvious....

I should be manager? Well Capello isn't picking them either so obviously it's for a reason

same reason he started Heskey in the WC right? yeah he is a goddamned genius. So he watches them play for their clubs then how the hell do players like Gareth Barry and Emile Heskey get picked last WC? they aren't even good for their clubs.

What are you on about? First you tell me I should be manager and I should tell Capello what to do sarcastically. Then when I say Capellos who is the manager, hasn't picked them for a reason, you tell me Capellos an idiot. Make up your mind Heskey didn't even play that appallingly anyway, and we had no other options then Barry really.

there is where you are being close minded. You know how many Central midfielders there are in England? you had thousands of options that were just never exercised.

Thousands of options yes, but as average as Barry was, most if not all of those options wouldn't have done better.

arsenalap11 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

Mr Leiva wrote:Barton would do well in the England team. Am not bullshitting either.

thank you for at least being open minded, unlike everyone else who probably thinks Cole, Ferdinand, Gerrard and Lampard should start the next WC.

I never said they should, but half, if not most of the players you listed shouldn't either.

who would you start for England then?

fluffy_kittens wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:

Cadbury wrote:Does fluffy kittens really think Joey Barton is Englands future?

He's just naming every English midfielder under the age of 25 he can think of and saying they are England's future. All of the players he named are either not good enough or need more development.

Let them develop by starting for England! What better way to develop them then by playing them against the world's top competition? Look at Wilshere, not even 20 and he is breaking through the starting lineup, why is it so unbelievable that other players could do the same?

They wouldn't develop, most of the players you named would get fucking slaughtered at international level. Imagine if we suddenly decided to to replace the current senior England team with the U21's. That wouldn't work would it?

Cam wrote:Tbf, Heskey was alright in qualifying.

What does that have to do with anything?

you pretty much get slaughtered with your "best" players anyway. Not qualifying for Euros, getting beasted in the WC by Germany, if thats not slaughter idk what is.

Yeah but the solution is not to call up a bunch of average players like Lee Cattermole.

I mean that Heskey started in the world cup because he was doing well in Qualifying and if I remember correctly people thought that he was good for the team

JMB_94 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:

He's just naming every English midfielder under the age of 25 he can think of and saying they are England's future. All of the players he named are either not good enough or need more development.

Let them develop by starting for England! What better way to develop them then by playing them against the world's top competition? Look at Wilshere, not even 20 and he is breaking through the starting lineup, why is it so unbelievable that other players could do the same?

They wouldn't develop, most of the players you named would get fucking slaughtered at international level. Imagine if we suddenly decided to to replace the current senior England team with the U21's. That wouldn't work would it?

Cam wrote:Tbf, Heskey was alright in qualifying.

What does that have to do with anything?

you pretty much get slaughtered with your "best" players anyway. Not qualifying for Euros, getting beasted in the WC by Germany, if thats not slaughter idk what is.

Yeah but the solution is not to call up a bunch of average players like Lee Cattermole.

how can you tell a player is average? just cause he doesnt play for Man U or Chelsea he's average? And sometimes average players aren't bad in a NT, not everyone needs to be a superstar. Capdevilla for Spain isn't all that great but he fills his roll successfully and got a world cup medal out of it

Lee Cattermole would get sent off every couple of games

Cam wrote:I mean that Heskey started in the world cup because he was doing well in Qualifying and if I remember correctly people thought that he was good for the team

people said Heskey got the best out of Rooney which is just kind of silly. He is a striker, a striker should score goals. Bent would've been the best option as a 2nd striker imo.

Watching Cattermole in a world cup game versus a top team would be one of the most surreal moments of my life.

Sent off within 5 minutes.

Cam wrote:Lee Cattermole would get sent off every couple of games

players change, like Barton has really toned down his maniac tackles recently and developed into a pretty decent midfielder

fluffy_kittens wrote:

Cam wrote:Lee Cattermole would get sent off every couple of games

players change, like Barton has really toned down his maniac tackles recently and developed into a pretty decent midfielder

Barton has always had more to his game than aggression though. Cattermole doesn't.

fluffy_kittens wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

Let them develop by starting for England! What better way to develop them then by playing them against the world's top competition? Look at Wilshere, not even 20 and he is breaking through the starting lineup, why is it so unbelievable that other players could do the same?

They wouldn't develop, most of the players you named would get fucking slaughtered at international level. Imagine if we suddenly decided to to replace the current senior England team with the U21's. That wouldn't work would it?

Cam wrote:Tbf, Heskey was alright in qualifying.

What does that have to do with anything?

you pretty much get slaughtered with your "best" players anyway. Not qualifying for Euros, getting beasted in the WC by Germany, if thats not slaughter idk what is.

Yeah but the solution is not to call up a bunch of average players like Lee Cattermole.

how can you tell a player is average? just cause he doesnt play for Man U or Chelsea he's average? And sometimes average players aren't bad in a NT, not everyone needs to be a superstar. Capdevilla for Spain isn't all that great but he fills his roll successfully and got a world cup medal out of it

Talking to you is like talking to a child.

Let me put it in simple terms.

PLAY WELL FOR GOOD CLUB = PLAY FOR NATIONAL TEAM

How can you tell a player is average? You watch them play for there clubs.

What the fuck? Capdevila isn't average. He's not the best LB in the world, but he plays for a top club side, and is the best LB Spain have.

You really are an idiot.

Cattermole is just a massive twat. Rubbish player as well.

Can you imagine him playing against Spain? He'd be so out of his depth he'd lose it and go on a rampage of breaking Spanish legs.

fluffy_kittens wrote:

Cam wrote:Lee Cattermole would get sent off every couple of games

players change, like Barton has really toned down his maniac tackles recently and developed into a pretty decent midfielder

What's he more than decent at then

JMB_94 wrote:Cattermole is just a massive twat. Rubbish player as well.

Can you imagine him playing against Spain? He'd be so out of his depth he'd lose it and go on a rampage of breaking Spanish legs.

thats pretty much any english midfielder against Spain tbh

arsenalap11 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:

They wouldn't develop, most of the players you named would get fucking slaughtered at international level. Imagine if we suddenly decided to to replace the current senior England team with the U21's. That wouldn't work would it?



What does that have to do with anything?

you pretty much get slaughtered with your "best" players anyway. Not qualifying for Euros, getting beasted in the WC by Germany, if thats not slaughter idk what is.

Yeah but the solution is not to call up a bunch of average players like Lee Cattermole.

how can you tell a player is average? just cause he doesnt play for Man U or Chelsea he's average? And sometimes average players aren't bad in a NT, not everyone needs to be a superstar. Capdevilla for Spain isn't all that great but he fills his roll successfully and got a world cup medal out of it

Talking to you is like talking to a child.

Let me put it in simple terms.

PLAY WELL FOR GOOD CLUB = PLAY FOR NATIONAL TEAM

How can you tell a player is average? You watch them play for there clubs.

What the fuck? Capdevila isn't average. He's not the best LB in the world, but he plays for a top club side, and is the best LB Spain have.

You really are an idiot.

Miroslav Klose is bad for his club but god like for his country. Lucas Podolski plays at Koln who are not a great club by any means. Club means very little in the international game.

Michael Carrick plays for the best club in England, should he be England's starting midfielder then?

fluffy_kittens wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:Cattermole is just a massive twat. Rubbish player as well.

Can you imagine him playing against Spain? He'd be so out of his depth he'd lose it and go on a rampage of breaking Spanish legs.

thats pretty much any english midfielder against Spain tbh

Wilshere MOTM against Barca

arsenalap11 wrote:

fluffy_kittens wrote:

JMB_94 wrote:Cattermole is just a massive twat. Rubbish player as well.

Can you imagine him playing against Spain? He'd be so out of his depth he'd lose it and go on a rampage of breaking Spanish legs.

thats pretty much any english midfielder against Spain tbh

Wilshere MOTM against Barca

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exactly my point, England needs more young quality midfielders in there.