There is. What's more competitive? Spanish second division/Championship or reserve leagues?Cam wrote:Danny wrote:They can't get promoted.Scott wrote:Danny wrote:I like what Spain do with their reserve teams, they compete in the second division (or lower) in that country. Very good idea. I think the reformation of our reserve league in summer was good, but it seems a lot better in Spain.
And (as mentioned) I'd take out the rule where you have to go off after you've been treated. Pointless, and if you've been treated before you're defending a free kick/corner, it gives the other team an unfair advantage imo.
What if they get promoted to the top League?
Then there would be no point
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How would you change the game?
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Cam wrote:Danny wrote:They can't get promoted.Scott wrote:Danny wrote:I like what Spain do with their reserve teams, they compete in the second division (or lower) in that country. Very good idea. I think the reformation of our reserve league in summer was good, but it seems a lot better in Spain.
And (as mentioned) I'd take out the rule where you have to go off after you've been treated. Pointless, and if you've been treated before you're defending a free kick/corner, it gives the other team an unfair advantage imo.
What if they get promoted to the top League?
Then there would be no point
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Don't facepalm me, Say if Man utd reserves win the championship, they can't get promoted? who gets promoted instead?
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Tbh, I've never been a fan of the play-offs across the Football League. They should just let the top 3 go up, I don't see why the teams who finished lower than 3rd should be rewarded? If they finished outside the top 3, it's pretty simple, they're not good enough for the Prem.
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The FA Cup needs a complete review as the magic of the FA Cup has just been completely lost. The FA Cup was once the biggest club competition in the world. It was even bigger than the European Cup. And as for getting rid of replays, that's just absurd, you' be completely fucking the FA Cup up. In fact it might as well not even be the FA Cup if you're going to scrap replays. Silly, silly idea. And to have the FA Cup Final on the same day as Premier League matches is quite frankly a disgrace. Completely de-valued the competition that.
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However it works in the Spanish second division. Lots of Barca's youth players have thrived off playing in the B team.Cam wrote:Don't facepalm me, Say if Man utd reserves win the championship, they can't get promoted? who gets promoted instead?
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Dean wrote:The FA Cup needs a complete review as the magic of the FA Cup has just been completely lost. The FA Cup was once the biggest club competition in the world. It was even bigger than the European Cup. And as for getting rid of replays, that's just absurd, you' be completely fucking the FA Cup up. In fact it might as well not even be the FA Cup if you're going to scrap replays. Silly, silly idea. And to have the FA Cup Final on the same day as Premier League matches is quite frankly a disgrace. Completely de-valued the competition that.
We love the FA Cup in Hereford, always the highest attendances of the season. Our home replay vs Tranmere seen loads of fans locked out, fickle fans tbh
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Scott wrote:I'd change how players are allowed to obstruct other players when the ball is going out for a goal kick, yet anywhere else on the pitch, it's a foul for obstruction. Stupid.
It's not. They're completely different things. If a player is shielding the ball out for a goal kick, they are in control of the ball. An obstruction is where a player, who isn't in control of the ball, prevents someone from reaching it.
Scrapping FA Cup replays is an awful idea.
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Goal line technology.
Less posh business people at Wembley, more fans.
FA Cup Semi-Finals played not played at Wembley.
Change the Europa League back to the UEFA Cup, name and format.
NT Team managers have to be from the country that they are managing.
None of that go off the pitch just to come back on a second later shit.
Less posh business people at Wembley, more fans.
FA Cup Semi-Finals played not played at Wembley.
Change the Europa League back to the UEFA Cup, name and format.
NT Team managers have to be from the country that they are managing.
None of that go off the pitch just to come back on a second later shit.
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I know and I guess that's why it's not been done yet. I dunno, it's either that or they should prepare the fixtures in a way that it doesn't just pile up and end up getting in the way.Radford11 wrote:Marvin wrote:Oh wait, FA Cup replays need to gtfo as well.
They are a god send for clubs like mine, if we draw at home vs a big team and play away at their ground then we get a handy financial boost.
I believe it's the team below the B/C team that gets the promotion spot. Look it up, works fine in countries like Spain.Cam wrote:Don't facepalm me, Say if Man utd reserves win the championship, they can't get promoted? who gets promoted instead?
I agree. You don't see the same thing happen for a relegation battle. But again, it's all to do with money.Liverpool wrote:Tbh, I've never been a fan of the play-offs across the Football League. They should just let the top 3 go up, I don't see why the teams who finished lower than 3rd should be rewarded? If they finished outside the top 3, it's pretty simple, they're not good enough for the Prem.
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Dean wrote:The FA Cup needs a complete review as the magic of the FA Cup has just been completely lost. The FA Cup was once the biggest club competition in the world. It was even bigger than the European Cup. And as for getting rid of replays, that's just absurd, you' be completely fucking the FA Cup up. In fact it might as well not even be the FA Cup if you're going to scrap replays. Silly, silly idea. And to have the FA Cup Final on the same day as Premier League matches is quite frankly a disgrace. Completely de-valued the competition that.
It'll be nice to see all the clubs in England compete in the 1st round of the FA Cup.
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I'd change the the way grass roots football is.
As it is currently, once you reach Under 11's you start playing on full sized, 11 a-side pitches. It's absolutely ridiculous. The players are way too small to be playing on this size of a pitch and there is no skill involved whatsoever. It's just kicking a ball over the top for a player to run onto and lob the keeper because he's too small to be in a goal that size.
I'd have Under 5's to Under 9's all playing Futsal on astroturf pitches so it's nice and smooth. This way, from a young age they'll learn about the control and skill involved, rather than trying to show off to their mates and see who can kick it highest. These levels will be 5 a-side.
From Under 10's to Under 12's, when the players are bigger, i'd expand it to 7 a-side. These will be played on the grass pitches, same size as they currently are for 7 a-side. I'd try to implement a head height rule to encourage passing football. Rather than using a Size 4 football which is currently used, i'd use a Size 3.
At Under 13's and Under 14's, the players will move onto a 9 a-side pitch with 9 a-side goals. No head height rule now as by this age players will hopefully have the mentality of keeping it on the floor and playing passing football rather than hoofing it. Size 4 balls will be used and Offside rule will be introduce at this stage also.
Then at Under 15's and above, everything will be full size and hopefully games will have football played on the floor and the technical ability of the players would be much better than it currently is. Hopefully this would be shown in the way out National Teams perform through the age groups.
As it is currently, once you reach Under 11's you start playing on full sized, 11 a-side pitches. It's absolutely ridiculous. The players are way too small to be playing on this size of a pitch and there is no skill involved whatsoever. It's just kicking a ball over the top for a player to run onto and lob the keeper because he's too small to be in a goal that size.
I'd have Under 5's to Under 9's all playing Futsal on astroturf pitches so it's nice and smooth. This way, from a young age they'll learn about the control and skill involved, rather than trying to show off to their mates and see who can kick it highest. These levels will be 5 a-side.
From Under 10's to Under 12's, when the players are bigger, i'd expand it to 7 a-side. These will be played on the grass pitches, same size as they currently are for 7 a-side. I'd try to implement a head height rule to encourage passing football. Rather than using a Size 4 football which is currently used, i'd use a Size 3.
At Under 13's and Under 14's, the players will move onto a 9 a-side pitch with 9 a-side goals. No head height rule now as by this age players will hopefully have the mentality of keeping it on the floor and playing passing football rather than hoofing it. Size 4 balls will be used and Offside rule will be introduce at this stage also.
Then at Under 15's and above, everything will be full size and hopefully games will have football played on the floor and the technical ability of the players would be much better than it currently is. Hopefully this would be shown in the way out National Teams perform through the age groups.
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Marvin wrote:I know and I guess that's why it's not been done yet. I dunno, it's either that or they should prepare the fixtures in a way that it doesn't just pile up and end up getting in the way.Radford11 wrote:Marvin wrote:Oh wait, FA Cup replays need to gtfo as well.
They are a god send for clubs like mine, if we draw at home vs a big team and play away at their ground then we get a handy financial boost.
Or clubs should actually win their games.
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Cam wrote:Don't facepalm me, Say if Man utd reserves win the championship, they can't get promoted? who gets promoted instead?
The team that came second? It's incredibly unlikely anyway.
In terms of how I would change MLS.. stop expansion at 20 teams, for now. Instant replay, retroactive punishment, etc.
Most of it is theory though, I'd like to see the US Open Cup have more of an emphasis, and in our youth a focus on technical skill and intelligence instead of physical ability and winning youth games.
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Liverpool wrote:Dean wrote:The FA Cup needs a complete review as the magic of the FA Cup has just been completely lost. The FA Cup was once the biggest club competition in the world. It was even bigger than the European Cup. And as for getting rid of replays, that's just absurd, you' be completely fucking the FA Cup up. In fact it might as well not even be the FA Cup if you're going to scrap replays. Silly, silly idea. And to have the FA Cup Final on the same day as Premier League matches is quite frankly a disgrace. Completely de-valued the competition that.
It'll be nice to see all the clubs in England compete in the 1st round of the FA Cup.
That would be fantastic! Could get a Prem team from round one.
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Liverpool wrote:Dean wrote:The FA Cup needs a complete review as the magic of the FA Cup has just been completely lost. The FA Cup was once the biggest club competition in the world. It was even bigger than the European Cup. And as for getting rid of replays, that's just absurd, you' be completely fucking the FA Cup up. In fact it might as well not even be the FA Cup if you're going to scrap replays. Silly, silly idea. And to have the FA Cup Final on the same day as Premier League matches is quite frankly a disgrace. Completely de-valued the competition that.
It'll be nice to see all the clubs in England compete in the 1st round of the FA Cup.
Would be funny to see.
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Forest wrote:I'd change the the way grass roots football is.
As it is currently, once you reach Under 11's you start playing on full sized, 11 a-side pitches. It's absolutely ridiculous. The players are way too small to be playing on this size of a pitch and there is no skill involved whatsoever. It's just kicking a ball over the top for a player to run onto and lob the keeper because he's too small to be in a goal that size.
I'd have Under 5's to Under 9's all playing Futsal on astroturf pitches so it's nice and smooth. This way, from a young age they'll learn about the control and skill involved, rather than trying to show off to their mates and see who can kick it highest. These levels will be 5 a-side.
From Under 10's to Under 12's, when the players are bigger, i'd expand it to 7 a-side. These will be played on the grass pitches, same size as they currently are for 7 a-side. I'd try to implement a head height rule to encourage passing football. Rather than using a Size 4 football which is currently used, i'd use a Size 3.
At Under 13's and Under 14's, the players will move onto a 9 a-side pitch with 9 a-side goals. No head height rule now as by this age players will hopefully have the mentality of keeping it on the floor and playing passing football rather than hoofing it. Size 4 balls will be used and Offside rule will be introduce at this stage also.
Then at Under 15's and above, everything will be full size and hopefully games will have football played on the floor and the technical ability of the players would be much better than it currently is. Hopefully this would be shown in the way out National Teams perform through the age groups.
Great post that.
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Danny wrote:I like what Spain do with their reserve teams, they compete in the second division (or lower) in that country. Very good idea. I think the reformation of our reserve league in summer was good, but it seems a lot better in Spain.
And (as mentioned) I'd take out the rule where you have to go off after you've been treated. Pointless, and if you've been treated before you're defending a free kick/corner, it gives the other team an unfair advantage imo.
Personally, I'd hate that idea. I wouldn't want to travel around the country to watch Cheltenham play against reserve teams in front of 400 supporters. There would be no atmosphere and each game would feel like a pre season game as quite frankly, who would follow a reserve team around the country? It would kill lower league football as crowds would decline meaning a loss of revenue. Why should a reserve team get a place in the football league or even the BSP over a proper football club with proper fans?
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Yes, that would be ideal.Dan wrote:Marvin wrote:I know and I guess that's why it's not been done yet. I dunno, it's either that or they should prepare the fixtures in a way that it doesn't just pile up and end up getting in the way.Radford11 wrote:Marvin wrote:Oh wait, FA Cup replays need to gtfo as well.
They are a god send for clubs like mine, if we draw at home vs a big team and play away at their ground then we get a handy financial boost.
Or clubs should actually win their games.
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Forest wrote:I'd change the the way grass roots football is.
As it is currently, once you reach Under 11's you start playing on full sized, 11 a-side pitches. It's absolutely ridiculous. The players are way too small to be playing on this size of a pitch and there is no skill involved whatsoever. It's just kicking a ball over the top for a player to run onto and lob the keeper because he's too small to be in a goal that size.
I'd have Under 5's to Under 9's all playing Futsal on astroturf pitches so it's nice and smooth. This way, from a young age they'll learn about the control and skill involved, rather than trying to show off to their mates and see who can kick it highest. These levels will be 5 a-side.
From Under 10's to Under 12's, when the players are bigger, i'd expand it to 7 a-side. These will be played on the grass pitches, same size as they currently are for 7 a-side. I'd try to implement a head height rule to encourage passing football. Rather than using a Size 4 football which is currently used, i'd use a Size 3.
At Under 13's and Under 14's, the players will move onto a 9 a-side pitch with 9 a-side goals. No head height rule now as by this age players will hopefully have the mentality of keeping it on the floor and playing passing football rather than hoofing it. Size 4 balls will be used and Offside rule will be introduce at this stage also.
Then at Under 15's and above, everything will be full size and hopefully games will have football played on the floor and the technical ability of the players would be much better than it currently is. Hopefully this would be shown in the way out National Teams perform through the age groups.
That's actually been implemented for a while. However, it's not done country-wide because of the cost of implementation.
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What else could they have done though with this years final? UEFA rules say you can't play in the stadium hosting the CL Final in the 2 weeks before it, so the 14th May was the latest they could do it. Maybe putting all last weekends games on the 15th or something, but then people would argue that the games are still on the same weekend.Dean wrote:The FA Cup needs a complete review as the magic of the FA Cup has just been completely lost. The FA Cup was once the biggest club competition in the world. It was even bigger than the European Cup. And as for getting rid of replays, that's just absurd, you' be completely fucking the FA Cup up. In fact it might as well not even be the FA Cup if you're going to scrap replays. Silly, silly idea. And to have the FA Cup Final on the same day as Premier League matches is quite frankly a disgrace. Completely de-valued the competition that.
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Forest wrote:3 Pm Saturday Kick Offs only. If Sky want to show a match on Tv then they can get their arses down to a ground at 3 Pm
This.
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Liverpool wrote:Dean wrote:The FA Cup needs a complete review as the magic of the FA Cup has just been completely lost. The FA Cup was once the biggest club competition in the world. It was even bigger than the European Cup. And as for getting rid of replays, that's just absurd, you' be completely fucking the FA Cup up. In fact it might as well not even be the FA Cup if you're going to scrap replays. Silly, silly idea. And to have the FA Cup Final on the same day as Premier League matches is quite frankly a disgrace. Completely de-valued the competition that.
It'll be nice to see all the clubs in England compete in the 1st round of the FA Cup.
And then all you guys would complain about fixture congestion
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Radford11 wrote:Dean wrote:The FA Cup needs a complete review as the magic of the FA Cup has just been completely lost. The FA Cup was once the biggest club competition in the world. It was even bigger than the European Cup. And as for getting rid of replays, that's just absurd, you' be completely fucking the FA Cup up. In fact it might as well not even be the FA Cup if you're going to scrap replays. Silly, silly idea. And to have the FA Cup Final on the same day as Premier League matches is quite frankly a disgrace. Completely de-valued the competition that.
We love the FA Cup in Hereford, always the highest attendances of the season. Our home replay vs Tranmere seen loads of fans locked out, fickle fans tbh
Mate, we love the FA Cup in Liverpool as well. It's just sad to see how the competition is going. Believe me, it's not just small clubs who aren't happy about it. My Dad goes mental over it and I suppose to an extent I've kinda got that in me as well. But I suppose as this forum is mainly younger/modern day supporters, they perhaps just don't quite realise the tradition of football and the way it used to be.
Some people really don't like the way football has become, my Dad doesn't even go the game any more because of it. I mean I'll always go the game and my Granddad still goes now, he's been going for 65 years. But a lot of people have fell out of love with the game and suggesting things like this (scrapping replays) is just not going to help that.
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Good shout from whoever brought up the La Liga B squad system. The English youth systems need a revamp and the B squad system in Spain is working really well.
Had the support from a few top managers too, Rafa was one, think Mourinho and Wenger agreed with it too.
Had the support from a few top managers too, Rafa was one, think Mourinho and Wenger agreed with it too.
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Danny wrote:What else could they have done though with this years final? UEFA rules say you can't play in the stadium hosting the CL Final in the 2 weeks before it, so the 14th May was the latest they could do it. Maybe putting all last weekends games on the 15th or something, but then people would argue that the games are still on the same weekend.Dean wrote:The FA Cup needs a complete review as the magic of the FA Cup has just been completely lost. The FA Cup was once the biggest club competition in the world. It was even bigger than the European Cup. And as for getting rid of replays, that's just absurd, you' be completely fucking the FA Cup up. In fact it might as well not even be the FA Cup if you're going to scrap replays. Silly, silly idea. And to have the FA Cup Final on the same day as Premier League matches is quite frankly a disgrace. Completely de-valued the competition that.
Should've used one of those stupid England friendlies for the league instead of a useless match.
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They don't get a spot ahead of anyone, Danny was just using an example. They start from the bottom like everyone else.CTFC~ced wrote:Danny wrote:I like what Spain do with their reserve teams, they compete in the second division (or lower) in that country. Very good idea. I think the reformation of our reserve league in summer was good, but it seems a lot better in Spain.
And (as mentioned) I'd take out the rule where you have to go off after you've been treated. Pointless, and if you've been treated before you're defending a free kick/corner, it gives the other team an unfair advantage imo.
Personally, I'd hate that idea. I wouldn't want to travel around the country to watch Cheltenham play against reserve teams in front of 400 supporters. There would be no atmosphere and each game would feel like a pre season game as quite frankly, who would follow a reserve team around the country? It would kill lower league football as crowds would decline meaning a loss of revenue. Why should a reserve team get a place in the football league or even the BSP over a proper football club with proper fans?
As for attendance, it wouldn't be any different from how it is now. Unless I misunderstood you.
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CTFC~ced wrote:Danny wrote:I like what Spain do with their reserve teams, they compete in the second division (or lower) in that country. Very good idea. I think the reformation of our reserve league in summer was good, but it seems a lot better in Spain.
And (as mentioned) I'd take out the rule where you have to go off after you've been treated. Pointless, and if you've been treated before you're defending a free kick/corner, it gives the other team an unfair advantage imo.
Personally, I'd hate that idea. I wouldn't want to travel around the country to watch Cheltenham play against reserve teams in front of 400 supporters. There would be no atmosphere and each game would feel like a pre season game as quite frankly, who would follow a reserve team around the country? It would kill lower league football as crowds would decline meaning a loss of revenue. Why should a reserve team get a place in the football league or even the BSP over a proper football club with proper fans?
These B teams enter in at a low level(not sure exactly what level but it's not the championship equivalent anyway) so if they get to the Championship it's because they deserve to.
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If they did it like that (as a way of filling in for scrapping the replays), I would love it tbh.dena wrote:Liverpool wrote:Dean wrote:The FA Cup needs a complete review as the magic of the FA Cup has just been completely lost. The FA Cup was once the biggest club competition in the world. It was even bigger than the European Cup. And as for getting rid of replays, that's just absurd, you' be completely fucking the FA Cup up. In fact it might as well not even be the FA Cup if you're going to scrap replays. Silly, silly idea. And to have the FA Cup Final on the same day as Premier League matches is quite frankly a disgrace. Completely de-valued the competition that.
It'll be nice to see all the clubs in England compete in the 1st round of the FA Cup.
And then all you guys would complain about fixture congestion
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Not really. What about all the other countries who were playing in friendlies or competitive games?Dan wrote:Danny wrote:What else could they have done though with this years final? UEFA rules say you can't play in the stadium hosting the CL Final in the 2 weeks before it, so the 14th May was the latest they could do it. Maybe putting all last weekends games on the 15th or something, but then people would argue that the games are still on the same weekend.Dean wrote:The FA Cup needs a complete review as the magic of the FA Cup has just been completely lost. The FA Cup was once the biggest club competition in the world. It was even bigger than the European Cup. And as for getting rid of replays, that's just absurd, you' be completely fucking the FA Cup up. In fact it might as well not even be the FA Cup if you're going to scrap replays. Silly, silly idea. And to have the FA Cup Final on the same day as Premier League matches is quite frankly a disgrace. Completely de-valued the competition that.
Should've used one of those stupid England friendlies for the league instead of a useless match.