Wenger - Should he resign and become Director of Football?

Scott wrote:

luke. wrote:

Scott wrote:I think Torres should leave Chelsea because he can't score.

Stop being a WUM Luke. Wenger is one of the best managers in the League, just look what trophies he has won. Not only this, but he does it all without ever spending big money. It's admirable.

If I was an Arsenal fan, I would be very proud of my club.

Which is more than I can say for any Chelsea fan. You support a fake club, who's success was bought by a Russian Billionaire. Tbh, it's not that impressive Luke. Do one.

Irony.

Hardly WUMming anyway.. as it's not my view, just something to discuss.

That isn't irony at all you clueless fuck. it's the truth that Chelsea bought their success, is it not?

Straight over your head.

Walcott wrote:It gets discussed by everyone other than Arsenal fans when we drop points. Yeah the trophy drought is pissing me off, yeah our current squad isn't good enough, but the team selection that Wengers choosing, nothing wrong with that.

Because Arsenal fans actually know what he's done for the club and what he continues to do. Other fans just chime in because of the drought so he must be shit.

Scott, shut up.

No just no.

Dan wrote:

The-Reporter wrote:

Dan wrote:

polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:

'Alive and stable' isn't enough for a club like Arsenal. No trophy in over 6 years is awful for a team like Arsenal. Hence why it might me time to move on.

Yes it is.

Do you not see the financial conditions of other clubs? Do you not see where Arsenal has been on the table in the last 6 years?

Unlike you Luke, I am not a gloryhunter. As a Pole I have learned to live with little success or trophies. I can see what is important and what is important is not some tin can on a shelf but rather the long term financial stability of the club. Having moved to the Emirates and picking up so much debt and considering how little money has been spent on players over the years, Arsenal shouldn't realistically even be in the top 6 of England, yet Wenger has kept Arsenal in the top 4 every season, competing in every trophy every season, and has built a deadly first team with little funds.

The lack of trophies is unfortunate, but is insignificant in value to what Wenger has and is doing to the club.

Wrong.

Aside from Man United, Man City and Chelsea, Arsenal have the highest wage budget in the league. League positions are usually matched alongside the clubs place in the 'wage table'.

Last season, we finished 7th - 6th highest wage bill. This season, same place in terms of wages, 6th place in the league.


Arsenal might not spend massive fees on these young players, but their wages more than make up for that. It is a myth that Wenger hardly spends anything.

If we spend so much on wages how can we afford a big name player for £30 Million?

Ye what?

Because Arsenal is a very profitable club, and with Wenger not spending big transfer fees over a number of years, you've got money in reserve.

We are paying off a stadium with all the extra money. Why talk like you are part of our board? Realistically you haven't got a clue about Arsenal's funds.

polska. wrote: Had a better reply but my keyboard flipped out and firefox hates me.

Dan wrote:

polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:Exactly.

Wenger is keeping Arsenal alive and stable, while Chelsea and Liverpool will struggle to get Champions League football, especially with city and spurs competing now.

Wenger is not at fault for Arsenal's lack of trophies. We lack the players, or rather the mentality.

'Alive and stable' isn't enough for a club like Arsenal. No trophy in over 6 years is awful for a team like Arsenal. Hence why it might me time to move on.

Yes it is.

Do you not see the financial conditions of other clubs? Do you not see where Arsenal has been on the table in the last 6 years?

Unlike you Luke, I am not a gloryhunter. As a Pole I have learned to live with little success or trophies. I can see what is important and what is important is not some tin can on a shelf but rather the long term financial stability of the club. Having moved to the Emirates and picking up so much debt and considering how little money has been spent on players over the years, Arsenal shouldn't realistically even be in the top 6 of England, yet Wenger has kept Arsenal in the top 4 every season, competing in every trophy every season, and has built a deadly first team with little funds.

The lack of trophies is unfortunate, but is insignificant in value to what Wenger has and is doing to the club.

Wrong.

Aside from Man United, Man City and Chelsea, Arsenal have the highest wage budget in the league. League positions are usually matched alongside the clubs place in the 'wage table'.

Last season, we finished 7th - 6th highest wage bill. This season, same place in terms of wages, 6th place in the league.


Arsenal might not spend massive fees on these young players, but their wages more than make up for that. It is a myth that Wenger hardly spends anything.

You can't have the likes of Cesc, Nasri and Van Persie on 20k a week you know.

Wages are factored into the costs of running the club and is probably a major reason as to why Wenger refuses to spend much money on transfers.. to allocate the money in wages and keep positive.

It's all well and good keeping positive financially. But players want to win trophies, they couldn't care about the clubs financial state. Fabregas wants trophies, and he may need to leave to get them, so may RvP, and who knows who else.

Just because you're secure financially doesn't mean you're secure on the field.

Walcott wrote:It gets discussed by everyone other than Arsenal fans when we drop points. Yeah the trophy drought is pissing me off, yeah our current squad isn't good enough, but the team selection that Wengers choosing, nothing wrong with that.

The problem is his stubbornness and his inability to acknowledge situations that requires a change of tactics or buy more players.

blackskar wrote:

Walcott wrote:It gets discussed by everyone other than Arsenal fans when we drop points. Yeah the trophy drought is pissing me off, yeah our current squad isn't good enough, but the team selection that Wengers choosing, nothing wrong with that.

Because Arsenal fans actually know what he's done for the club and what he continues to do. Other fans just chime in because of the drought so he must be shit.

Why are you all getting so touchy? It's just discussion, no need to go all moody

blackskar wrote:

Walcott wrote:It gets discussed by everyone other than Arsenal fans when we drop points. Yeah the trophy drought is pissing me off, yeah our current squad isn't good enough, but the team selection that Wengers choosing, nothing wrong with that.

Because Arsenal fans actually know what he's done for the club and what he continues to do. Other fans just chime in because of the drought so he must be shit.

No offence, but I think we all know what he's done. It's all Arsenal fans go on about when they aren't winning things.

Luke be all lukein'. Scott be scottin.

Things gonna thing.

The only Arsenal fans who want Wenger out are glory hunters and don't realise unless we got somebody like Guardiola we would be worse anyway.

blackskar wrote:

Walcott wrote:It gets discussed by everyone other than Arsenal fans when we drop points. Yeah the trophy drought is pissing me off, yeah our current squad isn't good enough, but the team selection that Wengers choosing, nothing wrong with that.

Because Arsenal fans actually know what he's done for the club and what he continues to do. Other fans just chime in because of the drought so he must be shit.

The thread was made by a fan whose team changes manager after a season of no trophies. It was obvious it was gonna be him that made it.

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote: Had a better reply but my keyboard flipped out and firefox hates me.

Dan wrote:

polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:

'Alive and stable' isn't enough for a club like Arsenal. No trophy in over 6 years is awful for a team like Arsenal. Hence why it might me time to move on.

Yes it is.

Do you not see the financial conditions of other clubs? Do you not see where Arsenal has been on the table in the last 6 years?

Unlike you Luke, I am not a gloryhunter. As a Pole I have learned to live with little success or trophies. I can see what is important and what is important is not some tin can on a shelf but rather the long term financial stability of the club. Having moved to the Emirates and picking up so much debt and considering how little money has been spent on players over the years, Arsenal shouldn't realistically even be in the top 6 of England, yet Wenger has kept Arsenal in the top 4 every season, competing in every trophy every season, and has built a deadly first team with little funds.

The lack of trophies is unfortunate, but is insignificant in value to what Wenger has and is doing to the club.

Wrong.

Aside from Man United, Man City and Chelsea, Arsenal have the highest wage budget in the league. League positions are usually matched alongside the clubs place in the 'wage table'.

Last season, we finished 7th - 6th highest wage bill. This season, same place in terms of wages, 6th place in the league.


Arsenal might not spend massive fees on these young players, but their wages more than make up for that. It is a myth that Wenger hardly spends anything.

You can't have the likes of Cesc, Nasri and Van Persie on 20k a week you know.

Wages are factored into the costs of running the club and is probably a major reason as to why Wenger refuses to spend much money on transfers.. to allocate the money in wages and keep positive.

It's all well and good keeping positive financially. But players want to win trophies, they couldn't care about the clubs financial state. Fabregas wants trophies, and he may need to leave to get them, so may RvP, and who knows who else.

Just because you're secure financially doesn't mean you're secure on the field.

Typical gloryhunter attitude.

If a player wants to leave, they can leave. That seems to be Wenger's philosophy anyway.

RVP is loyal to Arsenal, I doubt he'll leave the club, only back to Netherlands probably.

Plus we are secure on the field, that is why we've been in the top 4 for every year. The lack of trophies is unfortunate but it's not like we haven't competed for numerous trophies every season.

The-Reporter wrote:

Dan wrote:

The-Reporter wrote:

Dan wrote:

polska. wrote:Yes it is.

Do you not see the financial conditions of other clubs? Do you not see where Arsenal has been on the table in the last 6 years?

Unlike you Luke, I am not a gloryhunter. As a Pole I have learned to live with little success or trophies. I can see what is important and what is important is not some tin can on a shelf but rather the long term financial stability of the club. Having moved to the Emirates and picking up so much debt and considering how little money has been spent on players over the years, Arsenal shouldn't realistically even be in the top 6 of England, yet Wenger has kept Arsenal in the top 4 every season, competing in every trophy every season, and has built a deadly first team with little funds.

The lack of trophies is unfortunate, but is insignificant in value to what Wenger has and is doing to the club.

Wrong.

Aside from Man United, Man City and Chelsea, Arsenal have the highest wage budget in the league. League positions are usually matched alongside the clubs place in the 'wage table'.

Last season, we finished 7th - 6th highest wage bill. This season, same place in terms of wages, 6th place in the league.


Arsenal might not spend massive fees on these young players, but their wages more than make up for that. It is a myth that Wenger hardly spends anything.

If we spend so much on wages how can we afford a big name player for £30 Million?

Ye what?

Because Arsenal is a very profitable club, and with Wenger not spending big transfer fees over a number of years, you've got money in reserve.

We are paying off a stadium with all the extra money. Why talk like you are part of our board? Realistically you haven't got a clue about Arsenal's funds.

It's quite simple to work out.

This was your wage bill in 2008/09:

Chelsea - £167m (£172m)
Man Utd - £123m (£121m)
Liverpool - £107m (£90m)
Arsenal - £104m (£101m)
Man City - £83m (£54m)


Man City have overtaken you, and we've dropped back with the loss of some big-earning players.


Not every penny will be spent on repaying the stadium, that would be financial suicide. You will have money in reserve because every business that is running effectively should have. If anything happens, you'll need it. Because football is a multi-billion business, Arsenal will more than likely be making a hell of a lot of money through sponsorship, prize money, tv revenue etc. The majority of this will be on wages, which will be higher than £104m now (probably significantly higher). Yes, you might be paying money back on the stadium, however, these will be done in repayments, and the stadium sponsorhip will probably cover some of these as well.

The-Reporter wrote:The only Arsenal fans who want Wenger out are glory hunters and don't realise unless we got somebody like Guardiola we would be worse anyway.

How can you be so certain? Why is Guardiola the answer?

A director of football with as much prestige as Wenger is suicide, the media would have a field day with speculative bull shit, directors are not supposed to be seen, or heard, they just make moves in the background, Wenger can't do that.

polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote: Had a better reply but my keyboard flipped out and firefox hates me.

Dan wrote:

polska. wrote:Yes it is.

Do you not see the financial conditions of other clubs? Do you not see where Arsenal has been on the table in the last 6 years?

Unlike you Luke, I am not a gloryhunter. As a Pole I have learned to live with little success or trophies. I can see what is important and what is important is not some tin can on a shelf but rather the long term financial stability of the club. Having moved to the Emirates and picking up so much debt and considering how little money has been spent on players over the years, Arsenal shouldn't realistically even be in the top 6 of England, yet Wenger has kept Arsenal in the top 4 every season, competing in every trophy every season, and has built a deadly first team with little funds.

The lack of trophies is unfortunate, but is insignificant in value to what Wenger has and is doing to the club.

Wrong.

Aside from Man United, Man City and Chelsea, Arsenal have the highest wage budget in the league. League positions are usually matched alongside the clubs place in the 'wage table'.

Last season, we finished 7th - 6th highest wage bill. This season, same place in terms of wages, 6th place in the league.


Arsenal might not spend massive fees on these young players, but their wages more than make up for that. It is a myth that Wenger hardly spends anything.

You can't have the likes of Cesc, Nasri and Van Persie on 20k a week you know.

Wages are factored into the costs of running the club and is probably a major reason as to why Wenger refuses to spend much money on transfers.. to allocate the money in wages and keep positive.

It's all well and good keeping positive financially. But players want to win trophies, they couldn't care about the clubs financial state. Fabregas wants trophies, and he may need to leave to get them, so may RvP, and who knows who else.

Just because you're secure financially doesn't mean you're secure on the field.

Typical gloryhunter attitude.

If a player wants to leave, they can leave. That seems to be Wenger's philosophy anyway.

RVP is loyal to Arsenal, I doubt he'll leave the club, only back to Netherlands probably.

Plus we are secure on the field, that is why we've been in the top 4 for every year. The lack of trophies is unfortunate but it's not like we haven't competed for numerous trophies every season.

What are top level footballers playing the game for then?

They don't want to play at a club and not win trophies, and see other teams lifting the silver. It makes them think, 'That could be me, lifting those trophies'. Torres is a prime example. Say what you like about Chelsea, how we may not be the perfect football club, but we do what we need to do to win what makes you a big club. Not winning some green financial numbers, but winning silver.

probably needs to save himself the stress of being forever in contention without ever winning anything. wouldn't kick him from the club's point of view, long as fergie is still around its out of his hands imo. nevermind the dropped points

relatively inexperienced kids occasionally come up short its inevitable. great youth setup there however.. kids that should have a prem title, but for utd - don't forget barca dumped em out of europe too

Dan - If you think where a team is in the league reflects their wage bill then we shouldn't even be 2nd, we are surpassing ourselves.

Marvin wrote:

The-Reporter wrote:The only Arsenal fans who want Wenger out are glory hunters and don't realise unless we got somebody like Guardiola we would be worse anyway.

How can you be so certain? Why is Guardiola the answer?

Because then we would hunt in packs!

The-Reporter wrote:Dan - If you think where a team is in the league reflects their wage bill then we shouldn't even be 2nd, we are surpassing ourselves.

Marvin wrote:

The-Reporter wrote:The only Arsenal fans who want Wenger out are glory hunters and don't realise unless we got somebody like Guardiola we would be worse anyway.

How can you be so certain? Why is Guardiola the answer?

Because then we would hunt in packs!

No, it's proven that the team will finish in and around where they are in the 'wage table'.

And yeah, you are. I wasn't debating that. I was talking about people saying 'Wenger spends hardly anything'.

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote: Had a better reply but my keyboard flipped out and firefox hates me.

Dan wrote:

Wrong.

Aside from Man United, Man City and Chelsea, Arsenal have the highest wage budget in the league. League positions are usually matched alongside the clubs place in the 'wage table'.

Last season, we finished 7th - 6th highest wage bill. This season, same place in terms of wages, 6th place in the league.


Arsenal might not spend massive fees on these young players, but their wages more than make up for that. It is a myth that Wenger hardly spends anything.

You can't have the likes of Cesc, Nasri and Van Persie on 20k a week you know.

Wages are factored into the costs of running the club and is probably a major reason as to why Wenger refuses to spend much money on transfers.. to allocate the money in wages and keep positive.

It's all well and good keeping positive financially. But players want to win trophies, they couldn't care about the clubs financial state. Fabregas wants trophies, and he may need to leave to get them, so may RvP, and who knows who else.

Just because you're secure financially doesn't mean you're secure on the field.

Typical gloryhunter attitude.

If a player wants to leave, they can leave. That seems to be Wenger's philosophy anyway.

RVP is loyal to Arsenal, I doubt he'll leave the club, only back to Netherlands probably.

Plus we are secure on the field, that is why we've been in the top 4 for every year. The lack of trophies is unfortunate but it's not like we haven't competed for numerous trophies every season.

What are top level footballers playing the game for then?

They don't want to play at a club and not win trophies, and see other teams lifting the silver. It makes them think, 'That could be me, lifting those trophies'. Torres is a prime example. Say what you like about Chelsea, how we may not be the perfect football club, but we do what we need to do to win what makes you a big club. Not winning some green financial numbers, but winning silver.

Where would these players go to? Man United? Chelsea? Man City? Pfft. Arsenal is a club always in contention to win a trophy, their best shot to win trophies is at Arsenal.

Torres example is a bad one. Liverpool were competing for a Europa place let alone trophies when Torres left them.

I can't imagine Wenger becoming a Director of Football would do anyone any good. First of all the transfer policy would remain the same, second Wenger's tactical approach is far better than most managers in the world, even better than Guardiola and Barcelona in my opinion. And third, to not take advantage of the wealth of knowledge Wenger has accumelated as a manager over years and years would be stupid.

Arsenal's main problem remains that they don't have those experienced veteran leaders who can instill some winning mentality into the rest of the squad, and overal the quality of the playing squad simply isn't good enough. I'm almost certain that if Wenger had the same quality of players as Barcelona he'd be far more dominant than the catelans are as his playing style is far more effective, given the right players obviously.

They have a top class goalkeeper in the young polish lad who's name I can't spell, but they might want to consider brining in a "captain", like Buffon to bring a little more experience to the side as well as an experienced striker who knows where the net is. Van Persise is brilliant, but they could need someone who scores goals whenever you need him to, someone like Inzaghi (obviously not Inzaghi). Wenger doesn't want to ruin his "youth prospects" though, so I doubt Arsenal will see much transfer activity.

Dan wrote:

The-Reporter wrote:Dan - If you think where a team is in the league reflects their wage bill then we shouldn't even be 2nd, we are surpassing ourselves.

Marvin wrote:

The-Reporter wrote:The only Arsenal fans who want Wenger out are glory hunters and don't realise unless we got somebody like Guardiola we would be worse anyway.

How can you be so certain? Why is Guardiola the answer?

Because then we would hunt in packs!

No, it's proven that the team will finish in and around where they are in the 'wage table'.

And yeah, you are. I wasn't debating that. I was talking about people saying 'Wenger spends hardly anything'.

Well you know the whole Arsenal first team cost about as much as Carroll and Suarez.

polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote: Had a better reply but my keyboard flipped out and firefox hates me. :(You can't have the likes of Cesc, Nasri and Van Persie on 20k a week you know.

Wages are factored into the costs of running the club and is probably a major reason as to why Wenger refuses to spend much money on transfers.. to allocate the money in wages and keep positive.

It's all well and good keeping positive financially. But players want to win trophies, they couldn't care about the clubs financial state. Fabregas wants trophies, and he may need to leave to get them, so may RvP, and who knows who else.

Just because you're secure financially doesn't mean you're secure on the field.

Typical gloryhunter attitude.

If a player wants to leave, they can leave. That seems to be Wenger's philosophy anyway.

RVP is loyal to Arsenal, I doubt he'll leave the club, only back to Netherlands probably.

Plus we are secure on the field, that is why we've been in the top 4 for every year. The lack of trophies is unfortunate but it's not like we haven't competed for numerous trophies every season.

What are top level footballers playing the game for then?

They don't want to play at a club and not win trophies, and see other teams lifting the silver. It makes them think, 'That could be me, lifting those trophies'. Torres is a prime example. Say what you like about Chelsea, how we may not be the perfect football club, but we do what we need to do to win what makes you a big club. Not winning some green financial numbers, but winning silver.

Where would these players go to? Man United? Chelsea? Man City? Pfft. Arsenal is a club always in contention to win a trophy, their best shot to win trophies is at Arsenal.

Torres example is a bad one. Liverpool were competing for a Europa place let alone trophies when Torres left them.

Man City have a great project running, only a matter of time before they run riot. Man Utd/Chelsea seem out of the question, but Barcelona and Real Madrid are not.

For some players, being in contention is not enough, they want the end product.

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:

It's all well and good keeping positive financially. But players want to win trophies, they couldn't care about the clubs financial state. Fabregas wants trophies, and he may need to leave to get them, so may RvP, and who knows who else.

Just because you're secure financially doesn't mean you're secure on the field.

Typical gloryhunter attitude.

If a player wants to leave, they can leave. That seems to be Wenger's philosophy anyway.

RVP is loyal to Arsenal, I doubt he'll leave the club, only back to Netherlands probably.

Plus we are secure on the field, that is why we've been in the top 4 for every year. The lack of trophies is unfortunate but it's not like we haven't competed for numerous trophies every season.

What are top level footballers playing the game for then?

They don't want to play at a club and not win trophies, and see other teams lifting the silver. It makes them think, 'That could be me, lifting those trophies'. Torres is a prime example. Say what you like about Chelsea, how we may not be the perfect football club, but we do what we need to do to win what makes you a big club. Not winning some green financial numbers, but winning silver.

Where would these players go to? Man United? Chelsea? Man City? Pfft. Arsenal is a club always in contention to win a trophy, their best shot to win trophies is at Arsenal.

Torres example is a bad one. Liverpool were competing for a Europa place let alone trophies when Torres left them.

Man City have a great project running, only a matter of time before they run riot. Man Utd/Chelsea seem out of the question, but Barcelona and Real Madrid are not.

For some players, being in contention is not enough, they want the end product.

This is what Van Persie said a month ago.

I don’t have the inclination to go anywhere. This is the best team for me to be in. The bottom line is that I want to win trophies with Arsenal, not with anybody else. I know you can win trophies in many countries and in many ways, but I want to do that in our way and in an Arsenal shirt.

I’m sure I could win things at another team in another country, but would it feel like our trophy, my trophy? I’m not sure it would. Anything we win here will come from the heart and that’s what I want. It’s my dream and I see no point in speaking about other teams when I have these dreams. I think other people know that about me; I’m just hungry to win with Arsenal and that’s it.

He's not a scummy Chelsea player, you see.

Man City have a horrible project running.

They might find short term success but I doubt even they will be as succesful longterm as Chelsea.

Barcelona and Real Madrid have no room in their squads for any of Arsenal's world class players. Fabregas would be like 4th choice in Barca's midfield ffs.

For some players, being in contention is not enough, they want the end product.

We sold Adebayor already. Don't think any other players in the squad resemble that outlook.

there's a danger in arsenal becoming the ultimate preppie stable. n when they mature the leave with experience n they find silverware success.. elsewhere.

there's an age balance to be gotten right. if you can envisage an entire squad of arrogant youths freezing out older players who should be in their prime.. it could be the case already. its a danger. they've not got the experience, Fabregas seems to be the wisest head of late, n he's still a kid in terms of age

The-Reporter wrote:

Dan wrote:

The-Reporter wrote:Dan - If you think where a team is in the league reflects their wage bill then we shouldn't even be 2nd, we are surpassing ourselves.

Marvin wrote:

The-Reporter wrote:The only Arsenal fans who want Wenger out are glory hunters and don't realise unless we got somebody like Guardiola we would be worse anyway.

How can you be so certain? Why is Guardiola the answer?

Because then we would hunt in packs!

No, it's proven that the team will finish in and around where they are in the 'wage table'.

And yeah, you are. I wasn't debating that. I was talking about people saying 'Wenger spends hardly anything'.

Well you know the whole Arsenal first team cost about as much as Carroll and Suarez.

Then you'll know that your wage bill is currently higher than ours.

The-Reporter wrote:

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:Typical gloryhunter attitude.

If a player wants to leave, they can leave. That seems to be Wenger's philosophy anyway.

RVP is loyal to Arsenal, I doubt he'll leave the club, only back to Netherlands probably.

Plus we are secure on the field, that is why we've been in the top 4 for every year. The lack of trophies is unfortunate but it's not like we haven't competed for numerous trophies every season.

What are top level footballers playing the game for then?

They don't want to play at a club and not win trophies, and see other teams lifting the silver. It makes them think, 'That could be me, lifting those trophies'. Torres is a prime example. Say what you like about Chelsea, how we may not be the perfect football club, but we do what we need to do to win what makes you a big club. Not winning some green financial numbers, but winning silver.

Where would these players go to? Man United? Chelsea? Man City? Pfft. Arsenal is a club always in contention to win a trophy, their best shot to win trophies is at Arsenal.

Torres example is a bad one. Liverpool were competing for a Europa place let alone trophies when Torres left them.

Man City have a great project running, only a matter of time before they run riot. Man Utd/Chelsea seem out of the question, but Barcelona and Real Madrid are not.

For some players, being in contention is not enough, they want the end product.

This is what Van Persie said a month ago.

I don’t have the inclination to go anywhere. This is the best team for me to be in. The bottom line is that I want to win trophies with Arsenal, not with anybody else. I know you can win trophies in many countries and in many ways, but I want to do that in our way and in an Arsenal shirt.

I’m sure I could win things at another team in another country, but would it feel like our trophy, my trophy? I’m not sure it would. Anything we win here will come from the heart and that’s what I want. It’s my dream and I see no point in speaking about other teams when I have these dreams. I think other people know that about me; I’m just hungry to win with Arsenal and that’s it.

He's not a scummy Chelsea player, you see.

Mistake #1: Believing what a footballer says about 'loyalty'

polska. wrote:Man City have a horrible project running.

They might find short term success but I doubt even they will be as succesful longterm as Chelsea.

Barcelona and Real Madrid have no room in their squads for any of Arsenal's world class players. Fabregas would be like 4th choice in Barca's midfield ffs.

For some players, being in contention is not enough, they want the end product.

We sold Adebayor already. Don't think any other players in the squad resemble that outlook.

Why is Man City's project so bad?