Should Terry regain the England armband?

Dan wrote:

luke. wrote:

Dan wrote:

luke. wrote:

Dan wrote:

No, I'm trying to prove how shite your point is.


You say he has the best win percentage. However, under his captaincy, England failed to qualify for 50% of tournaments entered. One of the worst records as a captain in recent years.

Oh yeah, I forgot, it's Terrys job to do the tactics for games, pick the teams etc.

No.

Also, there's been 2 comps since he's been captain. One of them when we had the Wolly with the Brolly in charge, who Terry personally endorsed his sacking. You're trying to shoot me down for using shit stats?

Jesus christ Luke. Use that head of yours.


I posted a deliberately shit stat, it's about as useful as yours. Because yours is shit.

Like you said, Terry doesn't pick the team, the tactics. So why should win percentage come into it?


Anyway, if he publically endorsed the sacking of a manager, it's not very good leadership material is it?

Well... it is actually.

Is it though? Undermining the manager is good leadership material?


Obviously you and me have different ideas of what a leader is.

Dan wrote:

luke. wrote:

Dan wrote:

luke. wrote:

Dan wrote:

No, I'm trying to prove how shite your point is.


You say he has the best win percentage. However, under his captaincy, England failed to qualify for 50% of tournaments entered. One of the worst records as a captain in recent years.

Oh yeah, I forgot, it's Terrys job to do the tactics for games, pick the teams etc.

No.

Also, there's been 2 comps since he's been captain. One of them when we had the Wolly with the Brolly in charge, who Terry personally endorsed his sacking. You're trying to shoot me down for using shit stats?

Jesus christ Luke. Use that head of yours.


I posted a deliberately shit stat, it's about as useful as yours. Because yours is shit.

Like you said, Terry doesn't pick the team, the tactics. So why should win percentage come into it?


Anyway, if he publically endorsed the sacking of a manager, it's not very good leadership material is it?

Well... it is actually.

Is it though? Undermining the manager is good leadership material?


Obviously you and me have different ideas of what a leader is.

luke. wrote:

Dan wrote:

luke. wrote:

Dan wrote:

luke. wrote:

Oh yeah, I forgot, it's Terrys job to do the tactics for games, pick the teams etc.

No.

Also, there's been 2 comps since he's been captain. One of them when we had the Wolly with the Brolly in charge, who Terry personally endorsed his sacking. You're trying to shoot me down for using shit stats?

Jesus christ Luke. Use that head of yours.


I posted a deliberately shit stat, it's about as useful as yours. Because yours is shit.

Like you said, Terry doesn't pick the team, the tactics. So why should win percentage come into it?


Anyway, if he publically endorsed the sacking of a manager, it's not very good leadership material is it?

Well... it is actually.

Is it though? Undermining the manager is good leadership material?


Obviously you and me have different ideas of what a leader is.

Well someone had to say it, he's not scared to voice his opinion - and maybe the opinion of the whole squad, who might not have been able to say it in public.

NGreat wrote:

Dan wrote:

luke. wrote:

Dan wrote:

luke. wrote:

Oh yeah, I forgot, it's Terrys job to do the tactics for games, pick the teams etc.

No.

Also, there's been 2 comps since he's been captain. One of them when we had the Wolly with the Brolly in charge, who Terry personally endorsed his sacking. You're trying to shoot me down for using shit stats?

Jesus christ Luke. Use that head of yours.


I posted a deliberately shit stat, it's about as useful as yours. Because yours is shit.

Like you said, Terry doesn't pick the team, the tactics. So why should win percentage come into it?


Anyway, if he publically endorsed the sacking of a manager, it's not very good leadership material is it?

Well... it is actually.

Is it though? Undermining the manager is good leadership material?


Obviously you and me have different ideas of what a leader is.

So you're saying Ryan Babel should be England captain?

Dan wrote:

luke. wrote:

Dan wrote:

luke. wrote:

Dan wrote:

Jesus christ Luke. Use that head of yours.


I posted a deliberately shit stat, it's about as useful as yours. Because yours is shit.

Like you said, Terry doesn't pick the team, the tactics. So why should win percentage come into it?


Anyway, if he publically endorsed the sacking of a manager, it's not very good leadership material is it?

Well... it is actually.

Is it though? Undermining the manager is good leadership material?


Obviously you and me have different ideas of what a leader is.

Well someone had to say it, he's not scared to voice his opinion - and maybe the opinion of the whole squad, who might not have been able to say it in public.

Sometimes, things are left said behind closed doors. That was one of them.

luke. wrote:

Dan wrote:

luke. wrote:

Dan wrote:

luke. wrote:

Well... it is actually.

Is it though? Undermining the manager is good leadership material?


Obviously you and me have different ideas of what a leader is.

Well someone had to say it, he's not scared to voice his opinion - and maybe the opinion of the whole squad, who might not have been able to say it in public.

Sometimes, things are left said behind closed doors. That was one of them.

Well obviously the public felt the same way.

And it's highly likely more was said behind closed doors too.

Dan wrote:

luke. wrote:

Dan wrote:

luke. wrote:

Dan wrote:

Is it though? Undermining the manager is good leadership material?


Obviously you and me have different ideas of what a leader is.

Well someone had to say it, he's not scared to voice his opinion - and maybe the opinion of the whole squad, who might not have been able to say it in public.

Sometimes, things are left said behind closed doors. That was one of them.

Well obviously the public felt the same way.

And it's highly likely more was said behind closed doors too.

Yes, it was. However, that does not give an exuse to any captain to come out and publically undermine the manager.


If Gerrard came out and said something about Roy when he was in charge, I'd have been furious with him.

Scott wrote:Okay, just ignore my question then Luke.

Scott wrote:Luke, you're a pussy for ignoring my question.

luke. wrote:

Dan wrote:

luke. wrote:

Dan wrote:

luke. wrote:

Well someone had to say it, he's not scared to voice his opinion - and maybe the opinion of the whole squad, who might not have been able to say it in public.

Sometimes, things are left said behind closed doors. That was one of them.

Well obviously the public felt the same way.

And it's highly likely more was said behind closed doors too.

Yes, it was. However, that does not give an exuse to any captain to come out and publically undermine the manager.


If Gerrard came out and said something about Roy when he was in charge, I'd have been furious with him.

National teams are different to club teams though.

Scott wrote:Luke, you're a pussy for ignoring my question.

luke. wrote:

Scott wrote:Luke, you're a pussy for ignoring my question.

Not really. The answer was pretty obvious, yet barely relevant.

Bridge was nowhere near the squad when he retired.

Fine Shagger wrote:I don't follow England much but didn't Terry try to start a mutiny so to speak during the world cup?

LFCJordan wrote:Luke is forgetting what England Captain is. It is the best responability to fall to an English player. It comes with great responability and Terry blown it with his personal life. He tarnished our country, the team ect ...

The england captain should be givin the an honoust person, not someone who wins stuff.

dena wrote:

LFCJordan wrote:Luke is forgetting what England Captain is. It is the best responability to fall to an English player. It comes with great responability and Terry blown it with his personal life. He tarnished our country, the team ect ...

The england captain should be givin the an honoust person, not someone who wins stuff.

So not Cole, Rooney, and Gerrard then

The-Reporter wrote:Is there an England thread? One should be made if not.