Fabregas

Why is Fabregas better than Özil? Because he was the star player in a team that completely revolved around him during a period where that team failed to win anything? I can't even think of a single accusation you can throw at Özil that you can't also throw at Fabregas.

Ra's al Ghul wrote:Why is Fabregas better than Özil? Because he was the star player in a team that completely revolved around him during a period where that team failed to win anything? I can't even think of a single accusation you can throw at Özil that you can't also throw at Fabregas.

They would both start.

The only position that would be open is the DM option and Fabregas has shown himself to be shit in that role.

Fabregas would start ahead of Ramsey and if there was a straight pick between the two, he'd start ahead of Ozil too. He would be the first name on your teamsheet.

But it's okay. Keep letting the bitterness cloud your judgement.

Fabregas is streets ahead of Ozil. He's not a total shithouse in big games for starters.

Scott_LFC wrote:

Ra's al Ghul wrote:Why is Fabregas better than Özil? Because he was the star player in a team that completely revolved around him during a period where that team failed to win anything? I can't even think of a single accusation you can throw at Özil that you can't also throw at Fabregas.

They would both start.

That would be a very unbalanced team unless you shift either of them to a winger/forward position which is highly inconvenient for both. Those predicting that Fabregas can play in a deeper midfield role are not operating in reality. He hasn't been given any sort of defensive duties since he was teenager.

Scott_LFC wrote:Fabregas would start ahead of Ramsey and if there was a straight pick between the two, he'd start ahead of Ozil too. He would be the first name on your teamsheet.

But it's okay. Keep letting the bitterness cloud your judgement.

Like fuck would he. Ramsey is miles ahead of the current Fabregas in midfield. People still think he's as good as he was in 2010, I can't even recall the last time he was played in central midfield. 

Why would he start ahead of Ozil? He hasn't shown anything over the last few years to show that he would be better than him.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Fabregas is streets ahead of Ozil.  He's not a total shithouse in big games for starters.

Fabregas is too, even when he was at his best for Arsenal.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Fabregas is streets ahead of Ozil.  He's not a total shithouse in big games for starters.

He is. He has an unparallelled propensity to disappear entirely in the business end of the season.

Funny how it's only the Arsenal fans that are disagreeing

Theo Filippo wrote:Brb can't even get into a shit France squad

Also we had better players than those two within a year.

Nasri didn't get in because of politics, Clichy was meh last year tho.

Scott_LFC wrote:Funny how it's only the Arsenal fans that are disagreeing

Must be a conspiracy. 

Zzonked wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:Brb can't even get into a shit France squad

Also we had better players than those two within a year.

Nasri didn't get in because of politics, Clichy was meh last year tho.

Fair enough

Delusion via bitterness, more like.

Why would I be bitter? We chose not to buy back Fabregas so he looked elsewhere, not that many teams wanted him.  If he hadn't played for Arsenal before nobody would really care, he's a shadow of his former-self. We need a central midfielder - he hasn't effectively been deployed as one since mid-2009.

Who are you trying to convince?

Some irrational emotion-wrecked Arsenal fans hopefully. You threw a little curveball with your post there, I was expecting to read something such as "So bitter ".

Doesn't matter if Fabregas would start every game or not. You can't let a player of his talent go to a rival for (relatively) so little money.

Says who? Forget stockpiling talent that's not needed. It's small-time.

SBSP wrote:Doesn't matter if Fabregas would start every game or not. You can't let a player of his talent go to a rival for  (relatively) so little money.

30 million pounds is not a small sum of money. We have no one to sell in order to generate funds for this window and we have to bring in four players at the very least. We have to strengthen our squad while complying with financial fair play rules, it's ridiculous to think we could have addressed all other positions with adequate additions after spending 30 million pounds on an unneeded player.

You don't think you could have used him last season when Özil, Ramsey, Walcott, and Chamberlain were all injured?

SBSP wrote:You don't think you could have used him last season when Özil, Ramsey, Walcott, and Chamberlain were all injured?

That issue can be addressed in a much more cost efficient manner. We could hire a new medical team and/or a new fitness coach. Even when all those players were injured we still had Cazorla and Rosicky available who perform adequately in Fabregas' preferred role of attacking midfielder. We should be looking to maximize the utility of these players by purchasing better attackers.

Scott_LFC wrote:Fabregas would start ahead of Ramsey and if there was a straight pick between the two, he'd start ahead of Ozil too. He would be the first name on your teamsheet.

What the fuck is this  

SBSP wrote:You don't think you could have used him last season when Özil, Ramsey, Walcott, and Chamberlain were all injured?

I've never understood this sort of argument.  What happens if Suarez & Sturridge get injured for six months each?  Might as well sign Lewandowski just in case.  They're better off just giving the Wizard of Öz another season, preferably this time with a competent forward.

menalawyerguy wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
What the fuck is this logic  Do you understand what you just typed?

What's wrong with what he said?  Arsenal do have a wealth of talent at that position.  Fabregas is better than all of them but still, it doesn't make sense letting them linger while Fabregas eats up playing time.  Arsenal has more pressing needs, like striker.

It doesn't make sense playing a superior player whilst letting inferior ones linger?   

Glen Miller wrote:

SBSP wrote:You don't think you could have used him last season when Özil, Ramsey, Walcott, and Chamberlain were all injured?

I've never understood this sort of argument.  What happens if Suarez & Sturridge get injured for six months each?  Might as well sign Lewandowski just in case.  They're better off just giving the Wizard of Öz another season, preferably this time with a competent forward.

Arsenal get those type of injuries every season though. The other case is very unlikely.

I believe we are addressing that by appointing Shad Forsythe, head fitness coach from the Germany national team.

SBSP wrote:

Glen Miller wrote:
I've never understood this sort of argument.  What happens if Suarez & Sturridge get injured for six months each?  Might as well sign Lewandowski just in case.  They're better off just giving the Wizard of Öz another season, preferably this time with a competent forward.

Arsenal get those type of injuries every season though. The other case is very unlikely.

As Rascal said though, they are better off fixing that problem at the core than spending millions every window to paper over the cracks.

Fair enough.

SBSP wrote:Fair enough.

You aren't supposed to end a debate so civilly, cretin.

Ra's al Ghul wrote:Those predicting that Fabregas can play in a deeper midfield role are not operating in reality. He hasn't been given any sort of defensive duties since he was teenager.

Theo Filippo wrote:I can't even recall the last time he was played in central midfield.

So do you both think he'll be rotating with Oscar?