Summer Transfers 2014

Keyser Söze wrote:

Scott_LFC wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/01/liverpool-barcelona-luis-suarez-alexis-sanchez

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/10939185/Luis-Suarez-negotiations-between-Barcelona-and-Liverpool-begin-with-Alexis-Sanchez-a-key-factor.html

Would you prefer Sanchez to Suarez?

If I can answer that question, it would be "no" ideally, but I've just grown a bit tired of the bad press Suarez brings us, especially with our inability to properly handle it.  I doubt Sanchez will match Suarez's exploits, we might end up scoring less often, but hopefully the money allows us to find some sort of balance in the team.

RE ResurrectionRooney:  Am I the only Liverpool fan who would be happy with 4th place?  It would provide a sense of stability, especially with Chelsea & City likely to pull away with Arsenal & Manchester United narrowing, if not closing the gap.

Glen Miller wrote:
If I can answer that question, it would be "no" ideally, but I've just grown a bit tired of the bad press Suarez brings us, especially with our inability to properly handle it.  I doubt Sanchez will match Suarez's exploits, we might end up scoring less often, but hopefully the money allows us to find some sort of balance in the team.

I'd be happy with us missing out on Sanchez if it meant him moving to Liverpool so that Suarez could depart. Sanchez has proven this season he can be brilliant without the shadow of Messi so he'd thrive at Liverpool but I can't see him being a 30+ goal man like Suarez so it would mean Liverpool would be weakened. I have a suspicion that Sturridge is starting to wane.

Who and how many players would you get with the £50million that could fill the void of Suarez?

Keyser Söze wrote:

Glen Miller wrote:
If I can answer that question, it would be "no" ideally, but I've just grown a bit tired of the bad press Suarez brings us, especially with our inability to properly handle it.  I doubt Sanchez will match Suarez's exploits, we might end up scoring less often, but hopefully the money allows us to find some sort of balance in the team.

I'd be happy with us missing out on Sanchez if it meant him moving to Liverpool so that Suarez could depart. Sanchez has proven this season he can be brilliant without the shadow of Messi so he'd thrive at Liverpool but I can't see him being a 30+ goal man like Suarez so it would mean Liverpool would be weakened. I have a suspicion that Sturridge is starting to wane.  

Who and how many players would you get with the £50million that could fill the void of Suarez?

That's the thing, I don't know what we would plan to do with it.  I imagine we'd get something along the lines of Lovren, Rojo, and maybe Shaqiri, but I'm not sure.  I'm resigned to the fact that we'll be weaker next season-much weaker, even-I just hope that we can get 4th and build upon the promise of last season.

Keyser Söze wrote:

Glen Miller wrote:
If I can answer that question, it would be "no" ideally, but I've just grown a bit tired of the bad press Suarez brings us, especially with our inability to properly handle it.  I doubt Sanchez will match Suarez's exploits, we might end up scoring less often, but hopefully the money allows us to find some sort of balance in the team.

I'd be happy with us missing out on Sanchez if it meant him moving to Liverpool so that Suarez could depart. Sanchez has proven this season he can be brilliant without the shadow of Messi so he'd thrive at Liverpool but I can't see him being a 30+ goal man like Suarez so it would mean Liverpool would be weakened. I have a suspicion that Sturridge is starting to wane.  

Who and how many players would you get with the £50million that could fill the void of Suarez?

But I thought you said that Suarez was just a stat padder who doesn't actually score goals that wins us games?

Scott_LFC wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:

I'd be happy with us missing out on Sanchez if it meant him moving to Liverpool so that Suarez could depart. Sanchez has proven this season he can be brilliant without the shadow of Messi so he'd thrive at Liverpool but I can't see him being a 30+ goal man like Suarez so it would mean Liverpool would be weakened. I have a suspicion that Sturridge is starting to wane.  

Who and how many players would you get with the £50million that could fill the void of Suarez?

But I thought you said that Suarez was just a stat padder who doesn't actually score goals that wins us games?

I didn't say that, and you know I didn't say that. But if that's what you want to keep telling yourself to soften the blow when he leaves then so be it.

Glen Miller wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:

I'd be happy with us missing out on Sanchez if it meant him moving to Liverpool so that Suarez could depart. Sanchez has proven this season he can be brilliant without the shadow of Messi so he'd thrive at Liverpool but I can't see him being a 30+ goal man like Suarez so it would mean Liverpool would be weakened. I have a suspicion that Sturridge is starting to wane.  

Who and how many players would you get with the £50million that could fill the void of Suarez?

That's the thing, I don't know what we would plan to do with it.  I imagine we'd get something along the lines of Lovren, Rojo, and maybe Shaqiri, but I'm not sure.  I'm resigned to the fact that we'll be weaker next season-much weaker, even-I just hope that we can get 4th and build upon the promise of last season.

You could feasibly sign all those players without having to sell Suarez. You've spent about £40million so far, Shaqiri would cost about £16million and Rojo shouldn't cost more than £5-8million. I wouldn't value Lovren at more than £12million but Southampton always look for exorbitant fees. With those hypothetical prices you'd be spending £73-76million, just a little over the supposed £70million fund you have. And that's not including any money you'll probably make from player sales.

Unless, of course, you're like us and your supposed "war chest" also includes wages. In that case you'd probably need the Suarez money.

Keyser Söze wrote:

Scott_LFC wrote:

But I thought you said that Suarez was just a stat padder who doesn't actually score goals that wins us games?

I didn't say that, and you know I didn't say that. But if that's what you want to keep telling yourself to soften the blow when he leaves then so be it.

What did you say then? Because I'm pretty sure you said that, or something very similar at least.

I don't think he's a stat padder, so no, it wouldn't soften the blow if I were to try telling myself something I know not to be true. He's the best player in the League.

Glen Miller wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:

I'd be happy with us missing out on Sanchez if it meant him moving to Liverpool so that Suarez could depart. Sanchez has proven this season he can be brilliant without the shadow of Messi so he'd thrive at Liverpool but I can't see him being a 30+ goal man like Suarez so it would mean Liverpool would be weakened. I have a suspicion that Sturridge is starting to wane.  

Who and how many players would you get with the £50million that could fill the void of Suarez?

That's the thing, I don't know what we would plan to do with it.  I imagine we'd get something along the lines of Lovren, Rojo, and maybe Shaqiri, but I'm not sure.  I'm resigned to the fact that we'll be weaker next season-much weaker, even-I just hope that we can get 4th and build upon the promise of last season.

Even if our signings only consisted of Lambert, Sanchez/Shaqiri, Lallana, Can, a solid CB and a solid LB, then I wouldn't say we would be "much" weaker. Suarez is a phenomenal player, but under Rodgers, we are definitely not a team reliant on one player. I read somewhere that our record under Rodgers without Suarez is 8 wins, 2 draws and 1 defeat. Not to mention that the likes of Sturridge, Sterling, Coutinho and Henderson are only going to get even better under Rodgers.

We hold all the cards in this Suarez/Barcelona saga and I honestly think if John Henry doesn't feel that he's getting value, he won't do the deal. We've seen how ruthless he's been. It's being reported that we'll only accept £70-80 million in cash (no installments) or £50 million plus Sanchez. Any low-balling, John Henry will tell them to fuck off and we'll keep hold of the best player in the League, who, like last season, will probably just knuckle down and be brilliant for us again, after his ban is up.

Either way, I think it's win-win for us. I highly doubt Rodgers will allow what happened to Spurs, to happen to us.

Edit: It's probably also worth mentioning that if we sold Suarez, that's 4 years of £200k a week saved. That's £10.4 million extra on top of whatever Barcelona give us.

Edit 2: We also always seem to have a knack of always having at least one "star/world class player" no matter who we sell. Certainly in my time of supporting Liverpool.

Sold Owen, Gerrard became a superstar. Sold Torres, signed Suarez, who then became a superstar. I am hoping the trend continues

Borini staying at LFC according to his agent.

Scott_LFC wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:

I didn't say that, and you know I didn't say that. But if that's what you want to keep telling yourself to soften the blow when he leaves then so be it.

What did you say then? Because I'm pretty sure you said that, or something very similar at least.

I don't think he's a stat padder, so no, it wouldn't soften the blow if I were to try telling myself something I know not to be true. He's the best player in the League.

I've routinely said he's the best player in the league. Even 2 seasons ago when Bale won PFA player of the year I said he was better.

What actually said is that he doesn't score against the big teams, and even when he does they are rarely if ever game winning goals.

If you don't want him to leave why did you post "   " in reply to the news links about him leaving for Barcelona?

I don't think Borini is ever gonna make it. I feel like he's about Seb Larsson level and will end up being an average player at a mid table team.

You may disagree, I'm just getting my opinion out there so we can either chuckle at how wrong I was or I can gloat.

Keyser Söze wrote:

Scott_LFC wrote:

What did you say then? Because I'm pretty sure you said that, or something very similar at least.

I don't think he's a stat padder, so no, it wouldn't soften the blow if I were to try telling myself something I know not to be true. He's the best player in the League.

I've routinely said he's the best player in the league. Even 2 seasons ago when Bale won PFA player of the year I said he was better.

What actually said is that he doesn't score against the big teams, and even when he does they are rarely if ever game winning goals.

If you don't want him to leave why did you post "   " in reply to the news links about him leaving for Barcelona?

Because I am resigned to him leaving and want Sanchez as part of the deal, as opposed to £80 million cash.

Scott_LFC wrote:Either way, I think it's win-win for us. I highly doubt Rodgers will allow what happened to Spurs, to happen to us.

Why is it "win-win"?

Scott_LFC wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:

I've routinely said he's the best player in the league. Even 2 seasons ago when Bale won PFA player of the year I said he was better.

What actually said is that he doesn't score against the big teams, and even when he does they are rarely if ever game winning goals.

If you don't want him to leave why did you post "   " in reply to the news links about him leaving for Barcelona?

Because I am resigned to him leaving and want Sanchez as part of the deal, as opposed to £80 million cash.

Not really. All the reports suggest Barcelona only want to pay £60 million, you've just said Henry will tell them to fuck off if they low-ball so you clearly harbour some hope that he'll stay.

Because on one hand, we keep the best player in the League.

On the other hand, we remove the bad publicity and issues that come as part of the Suarez package, whilst also acquiring a huge sum of cash, which I'm confident Rodgers will put to good use, or a very decent sum of cash along with Sanchez.

I'm happy either way. Would prefer Suarez to stay, but I'm not going to be depressed about it after hearing that we'll either get at least £70 million for him, or £50 million plus Sanchez.

Imagine we sold him to Arsenal for £40 million. Puts it into perspective.

Keyser Söze wrote:

Scott_LFC wrote:

Because I am resigned to him leaving and want Sanchez as part of the deal, as opposed to £80 million cash.

Not really. All the reports suggest Barcelona only want to pay £60 million, you've just said Henry will tell them to fuck off if they low-ball so you clearly harbour some hope that he'll stay.

What? I said he'll tell them to fuck off, because I think he will tell them to fuck off. You'd have a point if I said I was "hopeful" that he'll tell them to fuck off.

I have already said that I'd prefer him to stay, anyway.

Zzonked wrote:I don't think Borini is ever gonna make it. I feel like he's about Seb Larsson level and will end up being an average player at a mid table team.

You may disagree, I'm just getting my opinion out there so we can either chuckle at how wrong I was or I can gloat.

Agree with this.

Sunderland really want him back. If I was Rodgers I'd take full advantage of that and get as much as I could for him. Better than selling him for next to nothing in a years time.

Scott_LFC wrote:Because on one hand, we keep the best player in the League.

On the other hand, we remove the bad publicity and issues that come as part of the Suarez package, whilst also acquiring a huge sum of cash, which I'm confident Rodgers will put to good use, or a very decent sum of cash along with Sanchez.

I'm happy either way. Would prefer Suarez to stay, but I'm not going to be depressed about it after hearing that we'll either get at least £70 million for him, or £50 million plus Sanchez.

Imagine we sold him to Arsenal for £40 million. Puts it into perspective.  

Well looking at the players and the prices you've signed them for I wouldn't be too sure. Only Coutinho and Sturridge have been hits thus far.

Bad publicity? Stop peddling that weak shit. If you've got a player as good as Suarez, a player capable of winning you the league, you don't really care what he does and I know you think this way.

Scott_LFC wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:

Not really. All the reports suggest Barcelona only want to pay £60 million, you've just said Henry will tell them to fuck off if they low-ball so you clearly harbour some hope that he'll stay.

What? I said he'll tell them to fuck off, because I think he will tell them to fuck off. You'd have a point if I said I was "hopeful" that he'll tell them to fuck off.

I have already said that I'd prefer him to stay, anyway.

So you clearly have some hope he'll stay   

You're one dense motherfucker. I've said twice now that I'd prefer him to say, so yes, clearly, I hope he stays, as that's WHAT I'D PREFER!

I'm dense?

You said

Scott_LFC wrote: I am resigned to him leaving

How can you be resigned to him leaving but still have hope he'll stay?

Saying you "prefer" he'd stay is entirely different to saying you have hope he'll stay. I'd prefer we sign Messi but I don't harbour any hope we'll do it.

Dumb fuck.

Wtf, are you being serious?

I am resigned to him leaving, but I still harbour an inkling of hope that the move will fall through/Barca won't pay what's required, and thus, he'll stay. And I hope that happens because I'd prefer him to stay.

What's so difficult to understand about that?

Scott_LFC wrote:Wtf, are you being serious?

I am resigned to him leaving, but I still harbour an inkling of hope that the move will fall through/Barca won't pay what's required, and thus, he'll stay, because I'd prefer him to stay.

What's so difficult to understand about that?

resigned
rɪˈzʌɪnd/
adjective
having accepted something unpleasant that one cannot do anything about.

Hope negates the acceptance. So, no, you can't be resigned to something but still hope the opposite happens. Pretty basic shit.

Keyser Söze wrote:

Scott_LFC wrote:Wtf, are you being serious?

I am resigned to him leaving, but I still harbour an inkling of hope that the move will fall through/Barca won't pay what's required, and thus, he'll stay, because I'd prefer him to stay.

What's so difficult to understand about that?

resigned
rɪˈzʌɪnd/
adjective
having accepted something unpleasant that one cannot do anything about.

Hope negates the acceptance. So, no, you can't be resigned to something but still hope the opposite happens. Pretty basic shit.  

Lmao, that's the most idiotic thing you've ever said.

+1 Courier Strength.

Zzonked wrote:I don't think Borini is ever gonna make it. I feel like he's about Seb Larsson level and will end up being an average player at a mid table team.

You may disagree, I'm just getting my opinion out there so we can either chuckle at how wrong I was or I can gloat.

I don't know who you think you are, waltzing into this thread so you can make baseless predictions with the sole purpose of taking a cheap shot or two at Liverpool Football Club.  I swear, when Borini nets his fifteenth league goal of the season against City with a screamer from the edge of the area and dashes off to stick it to the gang of troublemakers City call supporters, I will be digging up this quote and mocking it so ruthlessly, so mercilessly that you will remember never, never, never to mock this football club, its players, or its fans again.

Glen Miller wrote:

Zzonked wrote:I don't think Borini is ever gonna make it. I feel like he's about Seb Larsson level and will end up being an average player at a mid table team.

You may disagree, I'm just getting my opinion out there so we can either chuckle at how wrong I was or I can gloat.

I don't know who you think you are, waltzing into this thread so you can make baseless predictions with the sole purpose of taking a cheap shot or two at Liverpool Football Club.  I swear, when Borini nets his fifteenth league goal of the season against City with a screamer from the edge of the area and dashes off to stick it to the gang of troublemakers City call supporters, I will be digging up this quote and mocking it so ruthlessly, so mercilessly that you will remember never, never, never to mock this football club, its players, or its fans again.

 

Apparently Arsenal will announce the signing of Debuchy after the World Cup. Seems like a good signing, but Aurier would probably have been better because of his age.

mf, jenkinson

Glen Miller wrote:

Zzonked wrote:I don't think Borini is ever gonna make it. I feel like he's about Seb Larsson level and will end up being an average player at a mid table team.

You may disagree, I'm just getting my opinion out there so we can either chuckle at how wrong I was or I can gloat.

I don't know who you think you are, waltzing into this thread so you can make baseless predictions with the sole purpose of taking a cheap shot or two at Liverpool Football Club.  I swear, when Borini nets his fifteenth league goal of the season against City with a screamer from the edge of the area and dashes off to stick it to the gang of troublemakers City call supporters, I will be digging up this quote and mocking it so ruthlessly, so mercilessly that you will remember never, never, never to mock this football club, its players, or its fans again.

I almost got away with it too. I was paid by The Sun to go across the internet and slander the name Liverpool FC.

Fabio Borini will be like Henderson, he's willing to put in the hard work required to be the best.

He'll get at least 5 goals next season