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    Post by Keyser Söze Sat May 31, 2014 2:50 am

    Scott_LFC wrote:
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    A big name and a CL quality player aren't the same.

    Lovern and Moreno certainly aren't signings that you'd associate with being dependent on CL football. I'm not saying they are shit players.

    It looks like you made a big song and dance about you being on the up and being able to sign these "CL quality" players that will take you to the next level but in reality you're exactly the same as you've been for the past 4 years.  

    Lovren, perhaps not, but he'd be a fantastic signing either way.

    Shaqiri and Moreno are. Moreno is on Real Madrid's radar, for Christ's sake. I think I even recall Theo saying we had no chance of signing him, which says it all, really.

    At the end of the day, we haven't made any signings yet and you can't really get all giddy about us not making any "CL signings" until the window is closed, because you never know, we could pull something off that would shut you up.

    But for argument's sake. What players would constitute as a CL signing in your world?
    Then why haven't they even made an offer? They and Manchester United have been linked with him for nearly a year and nothing.

    I never said anything about Shaqiri, he's one I'd probably class as to be of the level you mention.
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    Post by Scouser_Dave Sat May 31, 2014 6:11 am

    Rickie Lambert: five reasons the striker has been targeted by the Reds

    With the Reds closing in on the Southampton striker, the ECHO looks at the qualities he can bring to Brendan Rodgers' side

    Rickie Lambert's impending move to Liverpool FC for £4million plus adds-ons has taken the footballing world by surprise.

    The ECHO understands the 32-year-old England international will be offered a two-year contract and club officials hope the transfer will be completed in the next 48 hours.

    Here's five reasons why his move to Anfield would make sense.

    Goalscoring prowess


    A team that scored 101 league goals doesn't necessarily need to add even more goals to the set-up, but that's what Lambert will do. In his two Premier League seasons, he's notched 29 goals for Southampton – and despite his highly-regarded penalty-taking ability, only six of those came from the spot.

    In 37 appearances last season, he notched 13 goals – more than Robin van Persie, Christian Benteke, Emmanuel Adebayor, Fernando Torres and Samuel Eto'o. And while Lambert may have played more than that quintet of striking stars, that is just reward for a fine fitness record matched by few. Only two players over 30 made more appearances than Lambert last season.

    Lambert had 103 shots on goal last season – the fifth-highest in the Premier League last season – with an accuracy of 51%, slightly worse than Luis Suarez (53%) and slightly better than Daniel Sturridge (49%). And while he's thought of as a player who lurks in the six-yard box and eyeballs goalkeepers, he isn't worried about having an attempt outside the area, with 44 last season.

    His use from dead balls could be useful, too. Not only is he proficient from 12 yards – scoring all 34 of his penalties for the Saints – but his vicious free-kick style sees him troublesome from as far as 30 yards.

    His eye for a pass

    Woe betide any defence who regards Lambert solely as a battering ram, a six foot two bundle of flesh who leaves the opposition battered and bruised. He can bruise and batter, granted, but he marries that with finesse with the ball and an inclination to create chances for his team-mates. In the past two seasons, he's attempted more through balls (94) than David Silva and Jack Wilshere – as well as Suarez and Philippe Coutinho.

    Brendan Rodgers wants his front line to be able to both score and create. The addition of Lambert would see the Reds possess four of the top eight Premier League players in terms of both goals scored and assists made in 2013/14; with 10 assists, Lambert is clearly versatile and not simply somebody who spends 90 minutes next to the goalposts.

    He averages 1.5 key passes per game and created 53 chances last season for the Saints, demonstrating there's more to him than goals alone.

    It has been some journey for Rickie Lambert, who has risen up the leagues with the SaintsIt has been some journey for Rickie Lambert, who has risen up the leagues with the Saints 
     
    He brings different kind of option

    Upon arriving at Anfield, Rodgers said: “If Plan A doesn't work, Plan B is to make a change to make Plan A more effective.”

    Lambert, on the surface, would appear that Plan B. Strong, tall and with ill manners towards defences, he provides the Reds with something different to Suarez and Sturridge - he would also provide something better than Iago Aspas, who was an unused substitute 28 times last season.

    But the 32-year-old doesn't have to be different to Suarez and Sturridge; he can compliment them, too. His arrival will not herald NFL-style Hail Mary passes, high enough to break the floodlights, on the off-chance of finding his forehead – he only scored one goal with his head last season, anyway.

    Lambert is intelligent in his movement and can play good football; he has the ability to join the passing carousel of Suarez, Sturridge and Coutinho – although his pass accuracy of 70% will have to improve. He can do this either as a starter or from the bench.

    It could transpire, then, that Lambert is not the player to initiate Plan B; instead, he's a Plan B player who can play Plan A which – after all – brought 101 league goals last season. Lambert appears to be the man with the plan – it just depends which one.

    Possesses experience in an attacking system

    Integration into the Liverpool side should not be too hard. While the Saints were not as breathtaking as Rodgers' side last season, Mauricio Pochettino created an impressive identity at St Mary's that was based on similar principles to that of Rodgers – high-intensity, strong pressing and an attack that's quick and flexible.

    Both Liverpool and Southampton were in the league's top six with regards to successful passes – Liverpool fourth, Saints sixth - while the difference in their possession was minimal. Southampton also created 397 chances and made 357 key passes last season – comfortably in the league's top eight.

    Lambert has not spent the last few years with a sore neck, forever looking skywards at floating balls. He has played in a young, exciting team with progressive players around him; players who are quick with both boot and mind, playing with energy and exuberance. Even if Adam Lallana wasn't to join Liverpool, Lambert's experience playing next to him – and Jay Rodriguez – will have given him some insight into what awaits him at Anfield.

    The fairytale

    Ok, so being local does not automatically equate to being a hero. There is no scientific formula that confirms being born in Kirkby rather than Kiev extracts 10% more effort. Manchester City did not win the league with Noel Gallacher at left back.

    But there's just something undeniably romantic about Lambert signing for Liverpool. Ten years ago, he was playing for travel expenses at Macclesfield; five years ago, he was an option for League One Southampton. Even two years ago, he was a Championship striker, albeit with 27 goals and a promotion secured.

    Now, he's set to complete a fairytale two years with an ending he couldn't imagine. Success at Southampton followed a call by England; that was followed by a goal on his international debut, with his first touch in an England shirt, and a subsequent call-up to the World Cup squad.

    A move to Liverpool will top all that. It keeps the Scouse heart of the side beating with a player who will run through walls for his boyhood club. The last player to hail from Kirkby was Phil Thompson – and he didn't do too badly at all.


    http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rickie-lambert-liverpool-fc-five-7195732
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Sat May 31, 2014 9:27 am

    Bad news, your drugs cheat has Malaria.
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    Post by Mason19294828838822 Sat May 31, 2014 9:32 am

    £25m bid made for Lallana according to Tony Barrett. Don't think he's worth more than £15m myself. Oh well.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Sat May 31, 2014 9:54 am

    How much??
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    Post by Glen Miller Sat May 31, 2014 9:54 am

    That can't be right, Scott assured us:
    "High prices for Lovren and Lambert, whilst only paying something like £2m for Lallana"
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    Post by Mason19294828838822 Sat May 31, 2014 9:56 am

    Liverpool have made an improved £25m bid for Southampton midfielder Adam Lallana, according to Sky sources.




    Southampton rejected a £20m bid from Liverpool for Lallana earlier this month, but the Merseysiders have returned with another offer for the England international.
    Liverpool are thought to be determined to complete the deal before Roy Hodgson's squad fly out to the World Cup.

    Lallana, who played 73 minutes in England's 3-0 friendly win over Peru, could link-up with international and club team-mate Rickie Lambert at Anfield.

    The Saints striker is expected to be confirmed as a Liverpool player on Monday, barring any last-minute hitches, as he prepares to undergo a medical after a £4m fee was agreed.


    It has been a tumultuous last week for Southampton, with manager Mauricio Pochettino leaving to take charge of Tottenham, while they face the prospect of losing at least two of their star players.

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/9332606/transfer-news-liverpool-make-improved-25m-bid-for-adam-lallana
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    Post by Mason19294828838822 Sat May 31, 2014 9:57 am

    Got a whiff of the Downing deal this one.
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    Post by Glen Miller Sat May 31, 2014 9:58 am

    Mason19294828838822 wrote:Got a whiff of the Downing deal this one.
    It's bad, but not nearly as bad as that tbf fair.
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    Post by Keyser Söze Sat May 31, 2014 10:02 am

    Glen Miller wrote:That can't be right, Scott assured us:
    "High prices for Lovren and Lambert, whilst only paying something like £2m for Lallana"
     rofl 
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    Post by Scott_LFC Sat May 31, 2014 10:03 am

    Glen Miller wrote:That can't be right, Scott assured us:
    "High prices for Lovren and Lambert, whilst only paying something like £2m for Lallana"

    I was mocking a thread on RedCafe, for Christ's sake. There was a rofl smiley at the end ...
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    Post by Mason19294828838822 Sat May 31, 2014 10:04 am

    Scott_LFC wrote:
    Glen Miller wrote:That can't be right, Scott assured us:
    "High prices for Lovren and Lambert, whilst only paying something like £2m for Lallana"

    I was mocking a thread on RedCafe, for Christ's sake. There was a rofl smiley at the end ...

     rofl
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    Post by Mason19294828838822 Sat May 31, 2014 10:05 am

    Lambert, Lallana and Moreno and I think that will be it for Liverpool.
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    Post by Scott_LFC Sat May 31, 2014 10:05 am

    http://www.redcafe.net/threads/rickie-lambert-adam-lallana-and-dejan-lovren.391652/

    In case you were wondering.
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    Post by Glen Miller Sat May 31, 2014 10:09 am

    Scott_LFC wrote:
    Glen Miller wrote:That can't be right, Scott assured us:
    "High prices for Lovren and Lambert, whilst only paying something like £2m for Lallana"

    I was mocking a thread on RedCafe, for Christ's sake. There was a rofl smiley at the end ...
    I shouldn't have singled you out, I should have just said Liverpool fans in general.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Sat May 31, 2014 10:15 am

    It's good to see Liverpool have learnt absolutely nothing from the Dalglish era. Appoint a manager who Liverpool fans think is an inspirational god in human form, but everyone else thinks is a total cunt, enjoy one relatively successful season, then cede full control to him and give him a load of money to waste on English shit.

    I expect this transfer window will end with Liverpool selling Suarez for £50m, the price for Lambert rocketing up to £35m, and Rodgers defending it by saying Lambert actually cost minus £15m so he's a pretty good signing.
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    Post by Glen Miller Sat May 31, 2014 10:18 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:It's good to see Liverpool have learnt absolutely nothing from the Dalglish era.  Appoint a manager who Liverpool fans think is an inspirational god in human form, but everyone else thinks is a total cunt, enjoy one relatively successful season, then cede full control to him and give him a load of money to waste on English shit.  

    I expect this transfer window will end with Liverpool selling Suarez for £50m, the price for Lambert rocketing up to £35m, and Rodgers defending it by saying Lambert actually cost minus £15m so he's a pretty good signing.
    I agree with the first part to a certain extent, I don't really follow the second part.
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    Post by Zzonked Sat May 31, 2014 10:44 am

    Who is Moreno?
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    Post by Scott_LFC Sat May 31, 2014 10:45 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:It's good to see Liverpool have learnt absolutely nothing from the Dalglish era.  Appoint a manager who Liverpool fans think is an inspirational god in human form, but everyone else thinks is a total cunt, enjoy one relatively successful season, then cede full control to him and give him a load of money to waste on English shit.  

    I expect this transfer window will end with Liverpool selling Suarez for £50m, the price for Lambert rocketing up to £35m, and Rodgers defending it by saying Lambert actually cost minus £15m so he's a pretty good signing.

    I wouldn't go as far as calling Lallana and Lambert "English shit".

    I've always been a bit pessimistic about us signing Lallana, especially for £25 million, but to be fair to him, he's looked a class act for Southampton and he got into the PFA team of the year. He also looks a class above several of his teammates when playing for England and that includes Rooney and Welbeck.

    As for Lambert, like I've already said before in this thread, we are basically signing the English equivalent of Arsenal's best striker, as a 3rd/4th choice option for a measly £4 million.

    I don't think either of those can be compared to spending £20 million on Downing or £35 million on Carroll. You're scraping the barrel, RR.

    Reading your posts these days is pretty much like reading what you want to happen, as opposed to what will actually happen. It's like you're trying to convince yourself, more than anything.
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    Post by Mason19294828838822 Sat May 31, 2014 10:47 am

    Zzonked wrote:Who is Moreno?
    http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/alberto-moreno-liverpool-reds-make-7188820
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    Post by Vela Sat May 31, 2014 10:49 am

    LIVERFOOL rofl
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    Post by Scott_LFC Sat May 31, 2014 10:50 am

    Ben Smith ‏@BenSmithBBC 22 mins
    I'm told, as it stands, Lallana favours move to #LFC over other options. Liverpool aware of others. Want to get deal done

    Ben Smith ‏@BenSmithBBC 13 mins
    Brendan Rodgers also hopeful of signing Alberto Moreno, Dejan Lovren and Emre Can in the next fortnight

    If we actually got all that shit done and dusted in the next 2 weeks, wow.
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    Post by Mason19294828838822 Sat May 31, 2014 10:52 am

    Scott, are you in favour of spending £25m on Adam Lallana?
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    Post by Scott_LFC Sat May 31, 2014 10:52 am

    Mason19294828838822 wrote:Scott, are you in favour of spending £25m on Adam Lallana?

    No.

    But I hope he proves me wrong.
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    Post by Mason19294828838822 Sat May 31, 2014 10:54 am

    So....

    Miglonet

    Johnson
    Lovren
    Sakho
    Moreno

    Gerrard
    Henderson

    Lallana
    Sterling


    Sturridge
    Suarez
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    Post by Mason19294828838822 Sat May 31, 2014 10:55 am

    With a decent bench of Borini, Coutinho, Agger, Can etc
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    Post by Scott_LFC Sat May 31, 2014 10:57 am

    I would genuinely prefer Flanagan over Johnson right now.

    Really hope we sign a right back. Doubt it, though.
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    Post by Scott_LFC Sat May 31, 2014 10:59 am

    Suarez - Sturridge
    Sterling
    Henderson - Lallana
    Gerrard
    Moreno - Sakho - Lovren - New RB
    Mignolet

    Agger, Skrtel, Enrique, Johnson/Flanagan, Allen, Can, Coutinho, Borini, Lambert.
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    Post by Vela Sat May 31, 2014 11:10 am

    That's a team for the Champions League? rofl
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    Post by Jordan Henderchip Sat May 31, 2014 12:04 pm

    I hope we sign Can, he'd be better than Gerrard

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