Liverpool FC Official Thread

kyro7 wrote:

Laurencio wrote:True, but I struggle to see what the three others have done that is "better" or on par with that.

Getting Swansea to 11th playing that football is quite incredible in my opinion.

Hodgson got Fulham to the Europa final.

Eternal Witcher wrote:

kyro7 wrote:

Laurencio wrote:True, but I struggle to see what the three others have done that is "better" or on par with that.

Getting Swansea to 11th playing that football is quite incredible in my opinion.

Hodgson got Fulham to the Europa final.

What the fuck has this got to do with anything? I'm not saying he's the right man for Liverpool but I don't like how Laurencio is viewing AVB as above the other managers because he managed the best team in a league and done really well, yet when he came to England he done shite.

kyro7 wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Hodgson got Fulham to the Europa final.

What the fuck has this got to do with anything? I'm not saying he's the right man for Liverpool but I don't like how Laurencio is viewing AVB as above the other managers because he managed the best team in a league and done really well, yet when he came to England he done shite.

Fuck up.

Eternal Witcher wrote:

kyro7 wrote:What the fuck has this got to do with anything? I'm not saying he's the right man for Liverpool but I don't like how Laurencio is viewing AVB as above the other managers because he managed the best team in a league and done really well, yet when he came to England he done shite.

Fuck up.

lmao

Eternal Witcher wrote:

kyro7 wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Hodgson got Fulham to the Europa final.

What the fuck has this got to do with anything? I'm not saying he's the right man for Liverpool but I don't like how Laurencio is viewing AVB as above the other managers because he managed the best team in a league and done really well, yet when he came to England he done shite.

Fuck up.

Make a stupid comment, replied to saying why your comment is bullshit, "fuck up".

Well done mate.

kyro7 wrote:

Laurencio wrote:True, but I struggle to see what the three others have done that is "better" or on par with that.

Getting Swansea to 11th playing that football is quite incredible in my opinion.

Fair enough.

CollieBuddz wrote:The other 3 haven't had the chance to manage the top team in a basically 1 team league.

The other 3 haven't won the Europa League either. Which is pretty well done to be fair.

kyro7 wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Hodgson got Fulham to the Europa final.

What the fuck has this got to do with anything? I'm not saying he's the right man for Liverpool but I don't like how Laurencio is viewing AVB as above the other managers because he managed the best team in a league and done really well, yet when he came to England he done shite.

I just find it difficult to see how AvB and 3 lower table managers compare, that's all. Not saying AvB is a better manager, but he has "accomplished" more than his three other compatriots.

Comment on my design you cunts, I was proud of that.

kyro7 wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Fuck up.

Make a stupid comment, replied to saying why your comment is bullshit, "fuck up".

Well done mate.

Not really, AVB competed at a higher level than Rodgers, the latter's over-achieving but less notable success is more comparable to Hodgson's, who doesn't compare to AVB. It all plays out perfectly.

Eternal Witcher wrote:

kyro7 wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Fuck up.

Make a stupid comment, replied to saying why your comment is bullshit, "fuck up".

Well done mate.

Not really, AVB competed at a higher level than Rodgers, the latter's over-achieving but less notable success is more comparable to Hodgson's, who doesn't compare to AVB. It all plays out perfectly.

Competed at a higher level playing v shitter teams every week, he done well in Europa League but with the team he had it was expected, plus as we've seen any team can go on a cup run.

The point of my post was saying why I don't think AVB should be viewed as out of these other managers leagues and viewed above them.. and you come spouting some shite about Roy Hodgson which is completely irrelevant, I wasn't even talking about the Liverpool job at that point.

What we've seen with AVB is that when he's in a comfortable environment with the best team he can do well, but Liverpool are far from that, Liverpool in fact are quite poor, so if he's struggling with Chelsea I don't know what he's going to do with Liverpool, maybe if he's given enough time he could create a strong force at Liverpool but I still don't think he should be viewed so far ahead of other managers.

For me AVB or Rodgers would be the best choice.

kyro7 wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Not really, AVB competed at a higher level than Rodgers, the latter's over-achieving but less notable success is more comparable to Hodgson's, who doesn't compare to AVB. It all plays out perfectly.

Competed at a higher level playing v shitter teams every week, he done well in Europa League but with the team he had it was expected, plus as we've seen any team can go on a cup run.

The point of my post was saying why I don't think AVB should be viewed as out of these other managers leagues and viewed above them.. and you come spouting some shite about Roy Hodgson which is completely irrelevant, I wasn't even talking about the Liverpool job at that point.

What we've seen with AVB is that when he's in a comfortable environment with the best team he can do well, but Liverpool are far from that, Liverpool in fact are quite poor, so if he's struggling with Chelsea I don't know what he's going to do with Liverpool, maybe if he's given enough time he could create a strong force at Liverpool but I still don't think he should be viewed so far ahead of other managers.

Where did I mention the Liverpool job? I compared Hodgson directly to Rodgers to show your own comparison was over-reaching. Anyway, the problems he had with Chelsea wouldn't be so difficult with the Liverpool team. Less egos to attempt to handle, ideally more freedom, ideally lower expectations.

Eternal Witcher wrote:

kyro7 wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Not really, AVB competed at a higher level than Rodgers, the latter's over-achieving but less notable success is more comparable to Hodgson's, who doesn't compare to AVB. It all plays out perfectly.

Competed at a higher level playing v shitter teams every week, he done well in Europa League but with the team he had it was expected, plus as we've seen any team can go on a cup run.

The point of my post was saying why I don't think AVB should be viewed as out of these other managers leagues and viewed above them.. and you come spouting some shite about Roy Hodgson which is completely irrelevant, I wasn't even talking about the Liverpool job at that point.

What we've seen with AVB is that when he's in a comfortable environment with the best team he can do well, but Liverpool are far from that, Liverpool in fact are quite poor, so if he's struggling with Chelsea I don't know what he's going to do with Liverpool, maybe if he's given enough time he could create a strong force at Liverpool but I still don't think he should be viewed so far ahead of other managers.

Where did I mention the Liverpool job? I compared Hodgson directly to Rodgers to show your own comparison was over-reaching. Anyway, the problems he had with Chelsea wouldn't be so difficult with the Liverpool team. Less egos to attempt to handle, ideally more freedom, ideally lower expectations.

What has Hodgson got to with it if you weren't referring to him failing at Liverpool? Hodgson has done pretty well away from Liverpool, so you saying he took a team to the Europa League final is pretty pointless, I know he did, he also got West Brom 10th which I think is pretty good, what I said originally has no use for your Roy Hodgson comment as I was just saying AVB has done nothing amazing to set himself apart from other managers as a candidate imo other than be Portugese and this next special Mourinho chap, which he's not.

kyro7 wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Where did I mention the Liverpool job? I compared Hodgson directly to Rodgers to show your own comparison was over-reaching. Anyway, the problems he had with Chelsea wouldn't be so difficult with the Liverpool team. Less egos to attempt to handle, ideally more freedom, ideally lower expectations.

What has Hodgson got to with it if you weren't referring to him failing at Liverpool? Hodgson has done pretty well away from Liverpool, so you saying he took a team to the Europa League final is pretty pointless, I know he did, he also got West Brom 10th which I think is pretty good, what I said originally has no use for your Roy Hodgson comment as I was just saying AVB has done nothing amazing to set himself apart from other managers as a candidate imo other than be Portugese and this next special Mourinho chap, which he's not.

Failing at the Liverpool job is irrelevant. Failing at an unspecific high-profile job, certainly is. AVB admittedly has done the same, but the results more bearable, the problems more defendable. Fact of the matter, AVB has done more to warrant his status in high-level management. While he isn't a revelation yet, he's on another level to Rodgers, who is untested and therefore incomparable.

Eternal Witcher wrote:

kyro7 wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Where did I mention the Liverpool job? I compared Hodgson directly to Rodgers to show your own comparison was over-reaching. Anyway, the problems he had with Chelsea wouldn't be so difficult with the Liverpool team. Less egos to attempt to handle, ideally more freedom, ideally lower expectations.

What has Hodgson got to with it if you weren't referring to him failing at Liverpool? Hodgson has done pretty well away from Liverpool, so you saying he took a team to the Europa League final is pretty pointless, I know he did, he also got West Brom 10th which I think is pretty good, what I said originally has no use for your Roy Hodgson comment as I was just saying AVB has done nothing amazing to set himself apart from other managers as a candidate imo other than be Portugese and this next special Mourinho chap, which he's not.

Failing at the Liverpool job is irrelevant. Failing at an unspecific high-profile job, certainly is. AVB admittedly has done the same, but the results more bearable, the problems more defendable. Fact of the matter, AVB has done more to warrant his status in high-level management. While he isn't a revelation yet, he's on another level to Rodgers, who is untested and therefore incomparable.

Well I disagree with you but oh well.

kyro7 wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Where did I mention the Liverpool job? I compared Hodgson directly to Rodgers to show your own comparison was over-reaching. Anyway, the problems he had with Chelsea wouldn't be so difficult with the Liverpool team. Less egos to attempt to handle, ideally more freedom, ideally lower expectations.

What has Hodgson got to with it if you weren't referring to him failing at Liverpool? Hodgson has done pretty well away from Liverpool, so you saying he took a team to the Europa League final is pretty pointless, I know he did, he also got West Brom 10th which I think is pretty good, what I said originally has no use for your Roy Hodgson comment as I was just saying AVB has done nothing amazing to set himself apart from other managers as a candidate imo other than be Portugese and this next special Mourinho chap, which he's not.

Kyro, aside from Brendan Rodgers playing entertaining football, what have any of them done to deserve to be in contention for a job such as the Liverpool one? At least Villas Boas has a couple of trophies to point to. Andres Villas Boas may not be amazing, hell his success with Porto may have been accidental, but if you look at the other three there's not exactly much that show their success. The next manager of Liverpools greatest accomplishments would be:

Brendan Rodgers:
Plays entertaining football and finished 11th in the Premier League with Swansea.

Roberto Martinez:
Finished 15th in the Premier League with a frantic last sprint.

Paul Lambert:
12th in the Premier League.

Andres Villas Boas:
Played very attractive football with 2 club sides, and is a Europa League and Portuguese Championship Winner.

I'm sorry but there's a notable difference there.

Laurencio wrote:

kyro7 wrote:

Eternal Witcher wrote:

Where did I mention the Liverpool job? I compared Hodgson directly to Rodgers to show your own comparison was over-reaching. Anyway, the problems he had with Chelsea wouldn't be so difficult with the Liverpool team. Less egos to attempt to handle, ideally more freedom, ideally lower expectations.

What has Hodgson got to with it if you weren't referring to him failing at Liverpool? Hodgson has done pretty well away from Liverpool, so you saying he took a team to the Europa League final is pretty pointless, I know he did, he also got West Brom 10th which I think is pretty good, what I said originally has no use for your Roy Hodgson comment as I was just saying AVB has done nothing amazing to set himself apart from other managers as a candidate imo other than be Portugese and this next special Mourinho chap, which he's not.

Kyro, aside from Brendan Rodgers playing entertaining football, what have any of them done to deserve to be in contention for a job such as the Liverpool one? At least Villas Boas has a couple of trophies to point to. Andres Villas Boas may not be amazing, hell his success with Porto may have been accidental, but if you look at the other three there's not exactly much that show their success. The next manager of Liverpools greatest accomplishments would be:

Brendan Rodgers:
Plays entertaining football and finished 11th in the Premier League with Swansea.

Roberto Martinez:
Finished 15th in the Premier League with a frantic last sprint.

Paul Lambert:
12th in the Premier League.

Andres Villas Boas:
Played very attractive football with 2 club sides, and is a Europa League and Portuguese Championship Winner.

I'm sorry but there's a notable difference there.

Of course there's a notable difference in their honours, because Villas Boas has had much easier jobs And still done shit at Chelsea no matter how much you want to paint it as playing good football.

kyro7 wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

Kyro, aside from Brendan Rodgers playing entertaining football, what have any of them done to deserve to be in contention for a job such as the Liverpool one? At least Villas Boas has a couple of trophies to point to. Andres Villas Boas may not be amazing, hell his success with Porto may have been accidental, but if you look at the other three there's not exactly much that show their success. The next manager of Liverpools greatest accomplishments would be:

Brendan Rodgers:
Plays entertaining football and finished 11th in the Premier League with Swansea.

Roberto Martinez:
Finished 15th in the Premier League with a frantic last sprint.

Paul Lambert:
12th in the Premier League.

Andres Villas Boas:
Played very attractive football with 2 club sides, and is a Europa League and Portuguese Championship Winner.

I'm sorry but there's a notable difference there.

Of course there's a notable difference in their honours, because Villas Boas has had much easier jobs And still done shit at Chelsea no matter how much you want to paint it as playing good football.

I was talking about Academica

Brendan Rodgers is a cunt

Laurencio wrote:

kyro7 wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

Kyro, aside from Brendan Rodgers playing entertaining football, what have any of them done to deserve to be in contention for a job such as the Liverpool one? At least Villas Boas has a couple of trophies to point to. Andres Villas Boas may not be amazing, hell his success with Porto may have been accidental, but if you look at the other three there's not exactly much that show their success. The next manager of Liverpools greatest accomplishments would be:

Brendan Rodgers:
Plays entertaining football and finished 11th in the Premier League with Swansea.

Roberto Martinez:
Finished 15th in the Premier League with a frantic last sprint.

Paul Lambert:
12th in the Premier League.

Andres Villas Boas:
Played very attractive football with 2 club sides, and is a Europa League and Portuguese Championship Winner.

I'm sorry but there's a notable difference there.

Of course there's a notable difference in their honours, because Villas Boas has had much easier jobs And still done shit at Chelsea no matter how much you want to paint it as playing good football.

I was talking about Academica

Fair enough but that still doesn't change my first point, the fact he done well over there then came here and done shit, it's okay when he wants to win the league with Porto when they're by far the best and would win it with most managers.

That's the whole point of spotting potential.

This is the EXACT situation Porto were put in. Their next manager was someone who got Academica playing nice football and an 11th place in the Portuguese league. They won the league and UEFA cup.

If managers can only go to clubs capable of winning trophies once they've won a trophy there's going to be a shortage of managers in the future.

I never saw anything of AVB at Academica, but looking at it statistically they came 11th out of 16, and he had a 36 percent win ratio, so they must have been a pretty average team he done well with, exactly like Brendan Rodgers.. yet because he got an opportunity at Porto where he could actually go on to do things like winning the league he's so far above it, I hate that.. until Brendan Rodgers gets the same opportunities why should we rate AVB so much higher, especially considering AVB has failed in his only English job.

kyro7 wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

I was talking about Academica

Fair enough but that still doesn't change my first point, the fact he done well over there then came here and done shit, it's okay when he wants to win the league with Porto when they're by far the best and would win it with most managers.

I'm not saying he's a great manager, I'm saying his accomplishments far outweigh that of the other three contenders.

CollieBuddz wrote:That's the whole point of spotting potential.

This is the EXACT situation Porto were put in. Their next manager was someone who got Academica playing nice football and an 11th place in the Portuguese league. They won the league and UEFA cup.

If managers can only go to clubs capable of winning trophies once they've won a trophy there's going to be a shortage of managers in the future.

Fair enough. I do think Villas Boas notable experience and knowledge of Porto had something to do with that appointment though, don't think it was all due to his performance with Academica.

kyro7 wrote:I never saw anything of AVB at Academica, but looking at it statistically they came 11th out of 16, and he had a 36 percent win ratio, so they must have been a pretty average team he done well with, exactly like Brendan Rodgers.. yet because he got an opportunity at Porto where he could actually go on to do things like winning the league he's so far above it, I hate that.. until Brendan Rodgers gets the same opportunities why should we rate AVB so much higher, especially considering AVB has failed in his only English job.

They were dead last when he turned them around. He's not so far above it, he's simply had the chance to prove himself and taken it. Rodgers hasn't done that yet, therefore in my eyes Andres Villas Boas is more accomplished.

Is this some sort of joke?

Laurencio wrote:

kyro7 wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

I was talking about Academica

Fair enough but that still doesn't change my first point, the fact he done well over there then came here and done shit, it's okay when he wants to win the league with Porto when they're by far the best and would win it with most managers.

I'm not saying he's a great manager, I'm saying his accomplishments far outweigh that of the other three contenders.

Here we go.

A manager can only work with what is given to him.

CollieBuddz wrote:Is this some sort of joke?

Oh what now?

kyro7 wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

I'm not saying he's a great manager, I'm saying his accomplishments far outweigh that of the other three contenders.

What? I know you disagree with it, but that's the truth.

Laurencio wrote:

kyro7 wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

I'm not saying he's a great manager, I'm saying his accomplishments far outweigh that of the other three contenders.

What? I know you disagree with it, but that's the truth.

Why the fuck are you comparing accomplishments of managers when one has been given much more of a chance?

kyro7 wrote:Why the fuck are you comparing accomplishments of managers when one has been given much more of a chance?

Sean Dyche > Ferguson


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But yes, I think you have to strike a medium. Managers can only work with what is given to them, if they are unproven it does not mean they're worse than more successful managers. At the same time them having less opportunity obviously doesn't mean they will go on and be good when given the chance.

kyro7 wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

What? I know you disagree with it, but that's the truth.

Why the fuck are you comparing accomplishments of managers when one has been given much more of a chance?

Gee I don't know, maybe because that's why I see Villas Boas as in another league? Seriously, Andres Villas Boas has had 3 jobs in management, Fabio Capello has had 8. Andres Villas Boas hasn't had the chance to prove himself as much as Capello, but Capello is easily more accomplished than Andres Villas Boas and I would say Fabio Capello is in another league. Same for Brendan Rodgers/Andres Villas Boas.

If that's wrong then fine, I'm wrong.