Jeff Winter

The Maestro wrote:

TheRangersFan wrote:

I have to agree with you you there. Religion and the tribalism that goes with it has no place in modern society.

Sure,but just because you hold that opinion doesn't give you the right to be sectarian.

Fuck the pope is deemed sectarian in this country.

Saying "anyone who is Catholic deserves everything they get as far as insults are concerned" is downright prejudice. It's being completely intolerant to other peoples beliefs.

Theo Filippo wrote:He should be stripped of his duties, disgusting moderator.

Jordi wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:He should be stripped of his duties, disgusting moderator.

Considering the only people I banned permanently were Leo and some guy that came to troll.

Cheers anyway.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

I though you were for freedom of speech and freedom of religion?

I'm for freedom of speech and freedom from religion.

The Maestro wrote:What's worrying is moderators just allowing it to happen, and encouraging it by laughing along with him.

We have a moderator who bans people who he doesn't get along with, but just laughs off sectarianism.

It's not sectarian, I've already explained that.

The Maestro wrote:

Then why does Rooney differentiate from other Catholics? Why is he not a cunt that deserves everything he gets?

I don't know anything about Wayne Rooney's religion, thankfully unlike certain people he doesn't constantly bring up his religion. Frankly his behaviour suggests that he is not a Catholic.

The Maestro wrote:

Sure,but just because you hold that opinion doesn't give you the right to be sectarian.

Fuck the pope is deemed sectarian in this country.

What country are you in?

Saying "anyone who is Catholic deserves everything they get as far as insults are concerned" is downright prejudice. It's being completely intolerant to other peoples beliefs.

Why should I be tolerant of your belief system, when you are not tolerant of mine? Is it not the case that you believe I will go to suffer for eternity as a result of my belief system?

Theo Filippo wrote:

Jordi wrote:Considering the only people I banned permanently were Leo and some guy that came to troll.

Cheers anyway.

I was being sarcastic.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:
I'm for freedom of speech and freedom from religion.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:I don't know anything about Wayne Rooney's religion, thankfully unlike certain people he doesn't constantly bring up his religion. Frankly his behaviour suggests that he is not a Catholic.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:
What country are you in?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

The Maestro wrote:Saying "anyone who is Catholic deserves everything they get as far as insults are concerned" is downright prejudice. It's being completely intolerant to other peoples beliefs.

Why should I be tolerant of your belief system, when you are not tolerant of mine? Is it not the case that you believe I will go to suffer for eternity as a result of my belief system?

The Maestro wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:
I'm for freedom of speech and freedom from religion.

Just because you don't agree with religion, DOES NOT give you the right to be sectarian.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:I don't know anything about Wayne Rooney's religion, thankfully unlike certain people he doesn't constantly bring up his religion. Frankly his behaviour suggests that he is not a Catholic.

Wayne Rooney is a Catholic who has spoken of his religion many times. I'll ask again, is Wayne Rooney a cunt who deserves everything he gets?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:
What country are you in?

The United Kingdom. "Fuck The Pope" is deemed sectarian. A footballer was recently arrested over making these comments on a social networking website.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Why should I be tolerant of your belief system, when you are not tolerant of mine? Is it not the case that you believe I will go to suffer for eternity as a result of my belief system?

I'm not Catholic. And I am tolerant of your belief system. But just because you disagree with religion, does not mean you can hold prejudice against other peoples beliefs. You said

"anyone who is Catholic deserves everything they get as far as insults are concerned"

Pointing out that you should not say that is not being intolerant of your belief system, but what I have done is stood up to your prejudice

Laurencio wrote:
Well that is just plain wrong. Nowhere does it say that anyone who isn't christian will burn in hell forever. The belief in christ will lead to salvation, but only god can determine what leads to damnation. Doesn't necessarily mean that everyone else is damned. One of the more important notions of christianity says that judgement is down to God, and only God. Jesus died on the crosss for all of mankind's sins, not just for a select few.

At least get the beliefs right.

Edit. Bah quote fucked up....

Laurencio wrote:
Well that is just plain wrong. Nowhere does it say that anyone who isn't christian will burn in hell forever. The belief in christ will lead to salvation, but only god can determine what leads to damnation. Doesn't necessarily mean that everyone else is damned. One of the more important notions of christianity says that judgement is down to God, and only God. Jesus died on the crosss for all of mankind's sins, not just for a select few.

At least get the beliefs right.

Edit. Bah quote fucked up....

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Laurencio wrote:
Well that is just plain wrong. Nowhere does it say that anyone who isn't christian will burn in hell forever. The belief in christ will lead to salvation, but only god can determine what leads to damnation. Doesn't necessarily mean that everyone else is damned. One of the more important notions of christianity says that judgement is down to God, and only God. Jesus died on the crosss for all of mankind's sins, not just for a select few.

At least get the beliefs right.

Edit. Bah quote fucked up....

I am talking about Catholicism. There is a handy concept in Catholicism called Papal Infallibility, which means that it is impossible for any Pope to be incorrect when speaking infallibly.

The Church has infallibly defined as follows:

" There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which NO ONE at all is saved. (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)

" We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull, Unam Sanctum, 1302.)

" The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes, and preaches that NONE of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics [Protestants] and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, UNLESS before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, NO ONE, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church. (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441).

Seems pretty clear to me. Pope Benedict buys into this, so fuck him.

Laurencio wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

I am talking about Catholicism. There is a handy concept in Catholicism called Papal Infallibility, which means that it is impossible for any Pope to be incorrect when speaking infallibly.

The Church has infallibly defined as follows:

" There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which NO ONE at all is saved. (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)

" We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull, Unam Sanctum, 1302.)

" The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes, and preaches that NONE of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics [Protestants] and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, UNLESS before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, NO ONE, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church. (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441).

Seems pretty clear to me. Pope Benedict buys into this, so fuck him.

http://www.romancatholicism.org/jpii-quotes.htm

Salvation is intended for all of man.

Pope John Paul II

Theo Filippo wrote:Religion

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

http://www.romancatholicism.org/jpii-quotes.htm

Salvation is intended for all of man.

Pope John Paul II

He wasn't speaking infallibly there. No Pope has done so for decades.

The Maestro wrote:Viva, Fuck the pope is an illegal term, it's sectarian.

Also saying all catholics deserve everything they get is about as sectarian as you get.

Just because he doesn't agree with religion doesn't mean he's allowed to be prejudicial against peoples beliefs.

The Maestro wrote:Viva, Fuck the pope is an illegal term, it's sectarian.

Also saying all catholics deserve everything they get is about as sectarian as you get.

Just because he doesn't agree with religion doesn't mean he's allowed to be prejudicial against peoples beliefs.

The Maestro wrote:It's like saying

So no one is allowed to hate black people? He's made an informed stance on black people
So no one is allowed to hate muslims? He's made an informed stance on Islam

Fuck the pope is sectarian, you should know that as recently a Rangers player was arrested for sectarian breach of the peace for shouting it out

I'll say it again, I'm not saying people are not allowed to criticise religion, but it's about tolerance. You can't just say Catholics deserve everything they get because that's blatant sectarianism.

Fonseca wrote:Religion - Institution
Pope - Person

If I were to say:

Fuck catholic's - That's illegal
Fuck the pope - That's just rude

So like RR said, Fuck the pope