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    Suarez banned for eight games.

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    Post by Laurencio Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:05 am

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    No it shows the unity of the team that are behind Suarez. It's got fuck all to do with pissing the FA off. Plus there's no laws within English Football that state we are breaking any rules. Clearly you and alot of people on here are looking to much into this.

    What I don't understand is why a club who is united against racism would unite behind a guy who is proven to have directed racial abuse at a black player. Further, I don't understand why Liverpool's fans and players would united behind a guy whose behaviour on the pitch makes Cristiano Ronaldo, who you vilified and hated, look like Mother Theresa. Finally, I don't understand why you would boycott The Sun for printing things that might not be true, but continue to support Liverpool FC despite them printing lies about a man to smear his reputation.

    Can you justify these things to me? Or is it just because Suarez is a good player? I certainly don't remember this unity when your reserve goalkeeper was caught smiling at an inappropriate moment.

    That's actually a good point. If you disregard the whole "The Sun" comparision.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:11 am

    I've already conceded that the comparison to The Sun is too harsh.
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    Post by Mason Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:19 am

    Suarez called didn't call Evra "negrito", he was simply adressing him as "negrito" in a casual way. Would it be racist if Evra adressed Suarez as "white dude"? If Suarez wanted to insult Evra, he would have called him a niggerr and that would be completely different. If Suarez did mean to racially insult him by saying "negrito", he would not reapeat the word openly "10 times" as Evra himself claims. If Evra finds it offensive to be known as a black guy, then he is insulting his own race. I am not condoning racism one bit.


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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:21 am

    Anyone got a source, to where Suarez admits to calling Evra a 'negro', or whatever word he used?
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:22 am

    So apparently xenephobia < Racism and Education=Punishment.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:29 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa2JYCNF2_g& top comment... Laughing
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:34 am

    Mason wrote:Suarez called didn't call Evra "negrito", he was simply adressing him as "negrito" in a casual way. Would it be racist if Evra adressed Suarez as "white dude"? If Suarez wanted to insult Evra, he would have called him a niggerr and that would be completely different. If Suarez did mean to racially insult him by saying "negrito", he would not reapeat the word openly "10 times" as Evra himself claims. If Evra finds it offensive to be known as a black guy, then he is insulting his own race. I am not condoning racism one bit.
    negrito itself is a pet name for negro and is usually used in a very friendly manner too.... As you say, if Evra did actually hear Suarez say it 10 times, then it is very obvious that Suarez was not using the word in a racist manner.

    This whole thing has been blown out of proportion.
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    Post by Laurencio Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:37 am

    Mason wrote:Suarez called didn't call Evra "negrito", he was simply adressing him as "negrito" in a casual way. Would it be racist if Evra adressed Suarez as "white dude"? If Suarez wanted to insult Evra, he would have called him a niggerr and that would be completely different. If Suarez did mean to racially insult him by saying "negrito", he would not reapeat the word openly "10 times" as Evra himself claims. If Evra finds it offensive to be known as a black guy, then he is insulting his own race. I am not condoning racism one bit.

    Please. If I said "negro" to a black guy in the UK I'd be in deep shit, even if it was "Why is that Negro?". If I said that in Spain I'd be considered a racist bastard. The only reason it's even remotely acceptable for Suarez is because of his cultural background. However that's exactly what the comitee have decided doesn't count. According to them he had a responsibility to learn what is acceptable or not in the culture he is currently in, and "negro" is not really considered acceptable.

    I've said it before. Suarez doesn't need to intend to racially abuse anyone to be guilty of racial abuse. What he said would, if said by any Englishman or anyone who isn't from certain parts of South America, result in allegations of racial abuse and no one would be able to defend it one bit. I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion, but the comitee have said that the cultural background defense is invalid.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:37 am

    Jordo wrote:Anyone got a source, to where Suarez admits to calling Evra a 'negro', or whatever word he used?
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    Post by Kuled Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:38 am

    Suarez should be ashamed of himself.
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    Post by Mason Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:43 am

    Jordo wrote:
    Jordo wrote:Anyone got a source, to where Suarez admits to calling Evra a 'negro', or whatever word he used?

    I would also like to see this to.
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    Post by Kuled Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:46 am

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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:49 am

    People turning this into a tribal thing, between Liverpool football club and Manchester United should fuck off. facepalm
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    Post by Kuled Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:50 am

    Jordo wrote:People turning this into a tribal thing, between Liverpool football club and Manchester United should fuck off. facepalm
    Agreed with this.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:56 am

    Jordo wrote:People turning this into a tribal thing, between Liverpool football club and Manchester United should fuck off. facepalm
    Football is massively tribal though, and plays on the natural instinct to band together...
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:58 am

    Jordo wrote:People turning this into a tribal thing, between Liverpool football club and Manchester United should fuck off. facepalm

    Who do you think is the main person doing that?
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    "It was a situation the likes of which one experiences every day in the Argentine capital of Buenos Aires. Lining up behind an attractive, olive-skinned girl in her mid-20s in a store, in the middle of a December heatwave which pushed the mercury towards 37°C and waiting patiently as the stranger bought a box of Marlboro cigarettes. The clerk passed back her change with a smile, and the salutation "Gracias, negra".

    A completely innocuous, mundane interaction, but one that stuck in the mind due to the events that followed a matter of minutes later. On the same day, and at almost exactly the same time as that exchange, Uruguayan forward Luis Suarez was receiving an eight match ban for saying the same word to Patrice Evra on the other side of the world in England.

    It is not the purpose of this article to assign blame, to condone or crucify Suarez or to call Evra's sterling reputation as a footballer into disrepute. The pair are both professionals at the very top of their chosen career, so to descend into simple conclusions - as the temptation has been for many in the sport and in the media - is lazy and poor journalism. But to every story there is two sides, and in South America and especially Luis' home nation the reaction has been of utter disbelief.

    "Senseless", was Sebastian Abreu's word to describe the lengthy suspension, while Uruguay captain Diego Lugano went even further in calling it a "grave error", and accusing Evra of breaking football's unwritten code of what happens on the pitch, stays on the pitch. The Uruguayan government even commented in favour of their striker, but perhaps one of the most considered arguments was provided by Lazio's Alvaro Gonzalez.

    "In Uruguay we use terms that can be misinterpreted and all of us who know Luis know that he wouldn't have made the comment as a defamatory remark," he said in quotes published by Ovacion.

    "You can't call a Uruguayan racist because of that ... perhaps we are paying the price for going to live in different cultures."

    The word in question, negro, understandably appears ugly and bigoted when laid down on paper in English. As demonstrated by the anecdote at the start of this article, however, in Uruguay as in Argentina and much of Latin America it is considered a neutral, even familiar term. Friends, sons, daughters, parents are addressed with the phrase, or its diminutive negrito/a, whether they are from African, mixed-race or even European descent with blue hair and blonde eyes.

    It is not the language of politicians or diplomats, admittedly, indeed little one hears inside the lines of a football pitch would be suitable in the debating chamber of the UN. But it is the product of a society and continent in which the process of nation and population-building has made traditional labels almost superfluous.

    Some four per cent of the country's three million population claim African descent, a proportion double that of the United Kingdom and not including those of mixed heritage, believed to number around 10%. This group have been settled and integrated in Uruguayan society up to 400 years, and have left an indelible imprint on the nation's culture, music and language. Suarez himself has an Afro-Uruguayan grandfather, and he is carrying on a grand tradition of multiculturalism in the Celeste football team.

    Uruguay withstood strong protest to field black players in the 1916 Copa America, a full 63 years before Viv Anderson took the pitch to become England's first black international. The history of the country's football success is littered with great players of African or mixed descent; and many, such as 1950 captain Obdulio Varela, are still remembered fondly as 'El Negro'.

    In this context, then, a misunderstanding of intent and a linguistic confusion appears to be the culprit, one for which Luis Suarez has paid for heavily. Is he really expected to know that the Spanish word he has grown up with as neutral and even affectionate his whole life was co-opted by British and American slavers in the 18th century as a synonym for African people, and used frequently until becoming taboo in the 1960s civil rights struggle? It is the content of a university thesis, not an assumption for a 24-year-old footballer adapting to a new country and culture.

    That is not to paint Uruguay or Argentina as colour-blind paradises, far from it. Racism and racist comments are no rarer than anywhere else in the world, although more often directed towards nationalities rather than ethnicities. The fact that in Buenos Aires the term Boliviano or Paraguayo when referring to immigrants from that country can be much more pejorative than the word negro is a cultural anomaly hard to interpret for someone unfamiliar with the culture, and migrants from South America are no strangers to similar discrimination elsewhere.

    It has been widely reported, for example, that Evra called Suarez a "South American" or "Sudaca" before receiving his perceived insult, and the latter especially is horribly demeaning for those from the continent who have chosen to pursue their lives in Europe. The South American, however, left things on the field, most likely taking the angry exchange as part and parcel of making his living in a testosterone-fuelled atmosphere where tempers often fray.

    It is equally unfair to say that Evra, perhaps not versed in the history and etymology of the word in its Spanish, Latin-American context, was wrong to take offence at Suarez's language. There is no place for racial insults, however intended, in modern football with the strides it has taken in extracting this cancer in the last 25 years.

    But, as Tim Vickery mentioned in an excellent article on the same subject before the ruling, the FA had a perfect chance to demonstrate their ability to adapt to the demands of modern football. Taking Suarez in front of the board, explaining that such language can be construed in negative ways in England and handing out a light warning would have sent the player a clear message while not castigating him for his linguistic faux pas.

    In throwing the book at the Uruguayan, however, the ruling body has demonstrated an ignorance and clumsiness when faced with cultural sensitivities which has made it the object of outrage in one of the world's most inclusive football nations.

    Suarez's ban may be another step on the road to the English Premier League's enlightenment when it comes to racial controversies, but it also proves that when faced with a question of cultural understanding and compromise in a globalised football world, their attitude remains indisputably in the stone age."
    By Daniel Edwards in Buenos Aires
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    Post by Dink Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:26 am

    Surely he must have some understanding of cultural differences and think about the scale of the match before saying what he did? What a pleb.
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    Post by SBSP Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:14 am

    rofl
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:16 am

    That's fucking hilarious isn't it? facepalm
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    Post by SBSP Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:18 am

    Just noticed the Nazi flag on his arm. A bit out of place? Laughing
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    Post by Laurencio Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:19 am

    SBSP wrote:Just noticed the Nazi flag on his arm. A bit out of place? Laughing

    THAT is what troubles you with the picture? Dry Smile
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:22 am

    Jordo, who is responsible for this being made a tribal thing?
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    Post by hoggyboy Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:23 am

    well one thing is clear.



    without suarez liverpool are fucked.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:29 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:Jordo, who is responsible for this being made a tribal thing?

    Not people on this forum. People on comments sections of media outlets websites.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:31 am

    Jordo wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:Jordo, who is responsible for this being made a tribal thing?

    Not people on this forum. People on comments sections of media outlets websites.

    What about Kenneth Dalglish?
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:32 am

    What has he said?
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    Post by Laurencio Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:36 am

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/dec/22/chelsea-liverpool-racism-reaction

    I find it a bit too negative, but it's pretty much right.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:37 am

    Everything about Liverpool FC sticking behind Suarez no matter what, I think that helps foster an atmosphere of tribalism, us against them.

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