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Luis Suarez made RACIST comments towards Patrice Evra
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RR, please get a fuuuucking life.
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ResurrectionRooney wrote:Seems to me as if he is backing him regardless.
"the football club and everyone at the football club is totally and utterly fully behind Luis Suarez,"
It's not "If he is innocent then we back him" it's a declaration that Liverpool FC, and Dalglish in particular is supporting Luis Suarez, regardless.
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ResurrectionRooney wrote:Well, it's not in most cases, but regardless, I mean do you think we should assume that no-one has done anything wrong unless there is incontrovertible proof of it. If there was an OJ Simpson style case today, where it couldn't be proved beyond reasonable doubt that a player had murdered someone, but we were pretty fucking sure he did regardless, would you be happy for your club to sign that player?ahlycotc wrote:
What exactly do you mean? It already is applied in the legal system.Alan wrote:
You are in need of some help, and King Kenneth Mathieson Dalglish is not a racist and he never had a meeting with the referees to gain any benefits and you know you have absolutly know proof of these accusations. You are going on about our other managers, and just last week you posted a comment saying that Sam Allardyce should have hit Rafa Benitez at a Liverpool v Blackburn game at Anfield.
And what about your own Mr Ferguson has he never swore at people before in his life, and i dont see you posting on here everyday about what he has done wrong or other managers. You just cant seem to handle the fact that King Kenneth Mathieson Dalglish is back at Liverpool, and why not post something about what Bryan Robson has done wrong the man that is a Manchester United ambassador was on TV telling people how to sell football clubs and make money. And yes it was also claimed that Mr Ferguson was also involved in some doggie going on's so maybe we should all say that he is guilty, and say the so called great man of Manchester United is corrupt and he is a devoius basterd something like you seem yourself.
I criticise Ferguson every week you stupid prick, I even said last week that he should retire. I don't like the fact that Dalglish is back at Liverpool, because he's trying to bring back racism into football, driving all the blacks out of Liverpool. I don't even remember Bryan Robson, I didn't see that documentary, I don't really give a fuck about him I'm afraid. If he was behaving in a corrupt way then fuck him, I hope he loses his battle with cancer. Is that good enough for you?
I have criticised Sir Alex in the past for his corrupt behaviour, such as his selection of his son and his boss's son in Man Utd squads, we have had arguments about this very fucking issue! I do think he is a pretty devious man, but he's not nearly as bad as Kenneth Dalglish. He has never supported racism for one thing.
Why dont you go and fuck yourself you complete and utter wanker, and stop posting complete and utter bullshit about King Kenneth Mathieson Dalglish and posting other complete and utter bullshit. And that says it all you dont really know Bryan Robson so fuck him and you are not bothered, yet you post things about Liverpool and Liverpool players who you will also not really remember, but to say you want him to lose his battle with cancer shows how much of a fucking wanker you are.
And to say King Kenneth Mathieson Dalglish is devious and is trying to bring racism back into football is another complete and utter joke, you know what, fuck off you have lost the fucking plot.
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Alan wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:
Well, it's not in most cases, but regardless, I mean do you think we should assume that no-one has done anything wrong unless there is incontrovertible proof of it. If there was an OJ Simpson style case today, where it couldn't be proved beyond reasonable doubt that a player had murdered someone, but we were pretty fucking sure he did regardless, would you be happy for your club to sign that player?
I criticise Ferguson every week you stupid prick, I even said last week that he should retire. I don't like the fact that Dalglish is back at Liverpool, because he's trying to bring back racism into football, driving all the blacks out of Liverpool. I don't even remember Bryan Robson, I didn't see that documentary, I don't really give a fuck about him I'm afraid. If he was behaving in a corrupt way then fuck him, I hope he loses his battle with cancer. Is that good enough for you?
I have criticised Sir Alex in the past for his corrupt behaviour, such as his selection of his son and his boss's son in Man Utd squads, we have had arguments about this very fucking issue! I do think he is a pretty devious man, but he's not nearly as bad as Kenneth Dalglish. He has never supported racism for one thing.
Why dont you go and fuck yourself you complete and utter wanker, and stop posting complete and utter bullshit about King Kenneth Mathieson Dalglish and posting other complete and utter bullshit. And that says it all you dont really know Bryan Robson so fuck him and you are not bothered, yet you post things about Liverpool and Liverpool players who you will also not really remember, but to say you want him to lose his battle with cancer shows how much of a fucking wanker you are.
And to say King Kenneth Mathieson Dalglish is devious and is trying to bring racism back into football is another complete and utter joke, you know what, fuck off you have lost the fucking plot.
I say "fuck him" if he was behaving in a corrupt and devious way, regardless of who he used to play for.
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Why are you using his full name Alan?
Is as bad as when Arise calls players by their 2st name
Is as bad as when Arise calls players by their 2st name
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ResurrectionRooney wrote:Well, it's not in most cases, but regardless, I mean do you think we should assume that no-one has done anything wrong unless there is incontrovertible proof of it. If there was an OJ Simpson style case today, where it couldn't be proved beyond reasonable doubt that a player had murdered someone, but we were pretty fucking sure he did regardless, would you be happy for your club to sign that player?ahlycotc wrote:
What exactly do you mean? It already is applied in the legal system.
The OJ Simpson case was an example of innocent until proven guilty. OJ Simpson was not punished for alleged murder until the case was complete. The jury found him not guilty in the end. We can debate whether the evidence in the case actually made him innocent, but that's a whole different topic.
You can't say Suarez is for sure a racist and a liar or that Evra is a liar, because there is no evidence to suggest either. It's one man's word against another. You are just being a troll by claiming Suarez is a racist and that Liverpool support racism to get a reaction from the fans. Liverpool asked the player whether Evra's claims were true and Suarez told them they weren't. They seem to have reason to believe Suarez is not lying, so they are backing him up in the case. That doesn't mean they back up racism. If Suarez is found guilty of racism, I'm sure Liverpool will accept the punishment handed to him.
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Point wrote:Why are you using his full name Alan?
Is as bad as when Arise calls players by their 2st name
I think you mean 1rd name.
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Don't you mean their first names?Point wrote:Why are you using his full name Alan?
Is as bad as when Arise calls players by their 2st name
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ahlycotc wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:
Well, it's not in most cases, but regardless, I mean do you think we should assume that no-one has done anything wrong unless there is incontrovertible proof of it. If there was an OJ Simpson style case today, where it couldn't be proved beyond reasonable doubt that a player had murdered someone, but we were pretty fucking sure he did regardless, would you be happy for your club to sign that player?
The OJ Simpson case was an example of innocent until proven guilty. OJ Simpson was not punished for alleged murder until the case was complete. The jury found him not guilty in the end. We can debate whether the evidence in the case actually made him innocent, but that's a whole different topic.
You can't say Suarez is for sure a racist and a liar or that Evra is a liar, because there is no evidence to suggest either. It's one man's word against another. You are just being a troll by claiming Suarez is a racist and that Liverpool support racism to get a reaction from the fans. Liverpool asked the player whether Evra's claims were true and Suarez told them they weren't. They seem to have reason to believe Suarez is not lying, so they are backing him up in the case. That doesn't mean they back up racism. If Suarez is found guilty of racism, I'm sure Liverpool will accept the punishment handed to him.
Stop fucking saying I'm a troll, it's a lie on your part to try and discredit me. Are you trying to get a job with Liverpool FC?
Either Suarez made racist comments or Evra is a liar, the purpose of the discussion is to ascertain which is most likely. I want to know why the Liverpool fans have all assumed that Patrice Evra is lying. If there is a reason other than 'He's a manc twat' (which has about as much validity as 'He is a black cunt').
It's obviously in Suarez's interest to deny it, regardless of whether it's true, I want to know how it is in Patrice Evra's interest to say it is true if it is not. What does he get out of it?
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ResurrectionRooney wrote:ahlycotc wrote:
The OJ Simpson case was an example of innocent until proven guilty. OJ Simpson was not punished for alleged murder until the case was complete. The jury found him not guilty in the end. We can debate whether the evidence in the case actually made him innocent, but that's a whole different topic.
You can't say Suarez is for sure a racist and a liar or that Evra is a liar, because there is no evidence to suggest either. It's one man's word against another. You are just being a troll by claiming Suarez is a racist and that Liverpool support racism to get a reaction from the fans. Liverpool asked the player whether Evra's claims were true and Suarez told them they weren't. They seem to have reason to believe Suarez is not lying, so they are backing him up in the case. That doesn't mean they back up racism. If Suarez is found guilty of racism, I'm sure Liverpool will accept the punishment handed to him.
Stop fucking saying I'm a troll, it's a lie on your part to try and discredit me. Are you trying to get a job with Liverpool FC?
Either Suarez made racist comments or Evra is a liar, the purpose of the discussion is to ascertain which is most likely. I want to know why the Liverpool fans have all assumed that Patrice Evra is lying. If there is a reason other than 'He's a manc twat' (which has about as much validity as 'He is a black cunt').
It's obviously in Suarez's interest to deny it, regardless of whether it's true, I want to know how it is in Patrice Evra's interest to say it is true if it is not. What does he get out of it?
If you know me, you know I hate Suarez. But that doesn't make me go around claiming someone is a racist without proof or a proper investigation.
Why have you assumed that Suarez is a racist or that Liverpool support racism?
Evra has a reason to lie just as much as Suarez does. If Evra came out and said he was lying, he knows he would get punished by the FA, ManUtd, or both. He would also ruin his reputation.
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ahlycotc wrote:If you know me, you know I hate Suarez. But that doesn't make me go around claiming someone is a racist without proof or a proper investigation.
I don't know you, I have never met you. There is evidence that he is a racist, eyewitness evidence.
Why have you assumed that Suarez is a racist or that Liverpool support racism?
Because it's not in Evra's interest to make it up. I wouldn't like to say he's definitely a racist, it's possible he's not a racist, he just made racial comments to wind up Evra, but that's not acceptable either.
Why would he lies in the first place?Evra has a reason to lie just as much as Suarez does. If Evra came out and said he was lying, he knows he would get punished by the FA, ManUtd, or both. He would also ruin his reputation.
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ResurrectionRooney wrote:Because it's not in Evra's interest to make it up. I wouldn't like to say he's definitely a racist, it's possible he's not a racist, he just made racial comments to wind up Evra, but that's not acceptable either.
Why would he lies in the first place?
Evra could be trying to get Suarez banned. Or maybe it was just a misunderstanding and the situation got out of hand to the point where it would look bad if he went back on his words. I'm not saying Evra is a liar though.
So you are not saying that Suarez is definitely a racist, but you are saying that he definitely said those words to Evra?
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ahlycotc wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:Because it's not in Evra's interest to make it up. I wouldn't like to say he's definitely a racist, it's possible he's not a racist, he just made racial comments to wind up Evra, but that's not acceptable either.
Why would he lies in the first place?
Evra could be trying to get Suarez banned. Or maybe it was just a misunderstanding and the situation got out of hand to the point where it would look bad if he went back on his words. I'm not saying Evra is a liar though.
So you are not saying that Suarez is definitely a racist, but you are saying that he definitely said those words to Evra?
Why would he do that though? How is it in Evra's interest for Suarez to get banned?
I strongly believe he said those words to Evra, regardless of whether he is a racist. It's quite possible he is a racist though, based on his previous conduct.
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ResurrectionRooney wrote:Alan wrote:
Why dont you go and fuck yourself you complete and utter wanker, and stop posting complete and utter bullshit about King Kenneth Mathieson Dalglish and posting other complete and utter bullshit. And that says it all you dont really know Bryan Robson so fuck him and you are not bothered, yet you post things about Liverpool and Liverpool players who you will also not really remember, but to say you want him to lose his battle with cancer shows how much of a fucking wanker you are.
And to say King Kenneth Mathieson Dalglish is devious and is trying to bring racism back into football is another complete and utter joke, you know what, fuck off you have lost the fucking plot.
I say "fuck him" if he was behaving in a corrupt and devious way, regardless of who he used to play for.
Yes if Bryan Robson has done something wrong thats fair enough, but to say you wish he loses his battle with cancer is just complete bullshit. Bryan Robson was absolutly top class for Manchester United as a player in the 80,s and carried Manchester United as captain through some bad times and whatever he has done or not he should be remembered for this.
If you claim to love Manchester United and support them you should have known about what Bryan Robson did for that club, he helped them win 2 FA Cups and well for 20 year spell from 69 to 89 United only won 3 FA Cups and a few Charity shields.
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Danny wrote:Don't you mean their first names?Point wrote:Why are you using his full name Alan?
Is as bad as when Arise calls players by their 2st name
Perhaps.
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Evra claimed that the referee heard everything and knew what was said, so shouldn't this thing be sorted by now?
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El_indian wrote:Evra claimed that the referee heard everything and knew what was said, so shouldn't this thing be sorted by now?
False, he said he informed the referee what was said.
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Constant Bullship from RR, just doesn't stop.
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Bull ship? I've never seen one of those.
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VivaRonaldo wrote:El_indian wrote:Evra claimed that the referee heard everything and knew what was said, so shouldn't this thing be sorted by now?
False, he said he informed the referee what was said.
oh right my bad..
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Scuba Steve wrote:Bull ship? I've never seen one of those.
Neither did I until I encountered a mention of it in the EA forums.
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Those silly EA boys
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/28/liverpool-kenny-dalglish-luis-suarez
Absolutely shameless.
Absolutely shameless.
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I Do not believe Suarez would do such a thing.
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"We have got a case going on which seems to be dragging its feet. We would rather have it done and dusted, out in the open and whoever is the guilty party, whether it's the person who said it or the accuser, [should] get their due punishment. We look forward to ours coming to a conclusion."
Proof that he doesn't support racism.
Proof that he doesn't support racism.
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He's only saying that because he knows it can't be proven.
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Suarez racism a surprise in 2011
Sir Alex Ferguson admits the disturbing re-emergence of racism in football has marred his 25th anniversary as boss of Manchester United.
The 69-year-old Scot completes a quarter-century of unparalleled success and remarkable change at Old Trafford next week.
But he is both shocked and bemused by the two recent high-profile allegations of racial abuse – one involving a United player – that hang over the game.
The FA are investigating accusations made by United’s full-back Patrice Evra against Liverpool’s Luis Suarez, and Queens Park Rangers’ Anton Ferdinand against Chelsea and England captain John Terry.
Ferguson said: “It’s surprising in modern-day football that this is an issue. I can’t believe that in 2011 we have these two cases, given the number of black players that have been playing in our game and the contribution they’ve made over the 25 years that I’ve been down here.
“It must be a really rare occurrence for this to surface because I can’t think of the last time this was levelled at a player.
“We have had fantastic black players here, players with great personalities and I’ve been very lucky to have them.
“Sometimes these things happen in bunches – in threes and sevens. I hope this doesn’t get to three.”
Ferguson confirmed he is standing by Evra and intends to have his say on the case when the FA deliver their verdict.
He said: “There’s no doubt in my mind that something happened at Liverpool and we are sticking by Patrice.
“The FA are at the moment doing their work on it. We spoke to them in the week and it’s in their hands. It’s their responsibility to sort out these two cases.”
Ferguson lists the influx of black and foreign players, the improvement to pitches and the influence of medical science as the three major changes during his time south of the border.
He said: “It’s been a great challenge, also, for me to deal with the different cultures over the years. Some players have been quick to learn the language, others haven’t.
“So, there are always completely different issues, regarding managing players, today than there were 25 years ago as we were then dealing mainly with English players.
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First thing Ferguson has done right since April. I'm glad one Scottish manager isn't supporting racism.
Also, apparently in the Sunday Times it has emerged that Suarez defended the use of the word 'Negro', which begs the question of why he is using that word in a football match? It is very reminiscent of what his behaviour encouraged John Terry to do a week later, ie. using race as a weapon against someone. Whether it is calling someone nigger, or calling someone a black cunt, it is not acceptable. Unfortunately Dalglish and Suarez seem to think different.
Sir Alex Ferguson admits the disturbing re-emergence of racism in football has marred his 25th anniversary as boss of Manchester United.
The 69-year-old Scot completes a quarter-century of unparalleled success and remarkable change at Old Trafford next week.
But he is both shocked and bemused by the two recent high-profile allegations of racial abuse – one involving a United player – that hang over the game.
The FA are investigating accusations made by United’s full-back Patrice Evra against Liverpool’s Luis Suarez, and Queens Park Rangers’ Anton Ferdinand against Chelsea and England captain John Terry.
Ferguson said: “It’s surprising in modern-day football that this is an issue. I can’t believe that in 2011 we have these two cases, given the number of black players that have been playing in our game and the contribution they’ve made over the 25 years that I’ve been down here.
“It must be a really rare occurrence for this to surface because I can’t think of the last time this was levelled at a player.
“We have had fantastic black players here, players with great personalities and I’ve been very lucky to have them.
“Sometimes these things happen in bunches – in threes and sevens. I hope this doesn’t get to three.”
Ferguson confirmed he is standing by Evra and intends to have his say on the case when the FA deliver their verdict.
He said: “There’s no doubt in my mind that something happened at Liverpool and we are sticking by Patrice.
“The FA are at the moment doing their work on it. We spoke to them in the week and it’s in their hands. It’s their responsibility to sort out these two cases.”
Ferguson lists the influx of black and foreign players, the improvement to pitches and the influence of medical science as the three major changes during his time south of the border.
He said: “It’s been a great challenge, also, for me to deal with the different cultures over the years. Some players have been quick to learn the language, others haven’t.
“So, there are always completely different issues, regarding managing players, today than there were 25 years ago as we were then dealing mainly with English players.
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First thing Ferguson has done right since April. I'm glad one Scottish manager isn't supporting racism.
Also, apparently in the Sunday Times it has emerged that Suarez defended the use of the word 'Negro', which begs the question of why he is using that word in a football match? It is very reminiscent of what his behaviour encouraged John Terry to do a week later, ie. using race as a weapon against someone. Whether it is calling someone nigger, or calling someone a black cunt, it is not acceptable. Unfortunately Dalglish and Suarez seem to think different.
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FA are dragging their heels over this. Needs a conclusion so that the idiots can put their pitch forks away.
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I'm sure you would like a rushed investigation where insufficient evidence can be brought to light.
Dave, do you think Suarez made racial remarks towards Evra?
Dave, do you think Suarez made racial remarks towards Evra?