Modern Football

Will football ever go back to being a working mans sport or will it be like it is now for many many more years to come.
Don't just come out with stupid answers saying no and yes and then no reasons.

Anyway a few videos on why i and many other fans are against modern football.




The things what have killed modern football imo are Sky just basically saying whenever a team can play and the billionaire owners in the premier league luckily in lower league football we still have many traditional grounds but more and more clubs are moving out of their traditional grounds and in to soulless all seater stadiums i think what the Premier League would have to do is to bring in a sort of Salary cap as the money what is being spent by some clubs is beyond ridiculous!

Eventually when football goes bankrupt. Too much money will be spent and wages will be far too high, lower leagues won't stand a chance and more and more football clubs with go into liquidation. Eventually something significant happen that will change everything.

We have seen many clubs over the years just seemingly go out of the football ladder such as Chester City going bankrupt and now being formed as totally new club, Wimbledon who the Fa didn't give a shit about but are now back in League 2 under a new name which is great to see but what clubs could be next to go out of business?
Plymouth could certainly be one as their players are not being paid and i don't see for the life of me how they will stay up Stockport also looked like they would go out of business last year but now they have some new owners although they seem quite dodgy.

I think as you said something will happen eventually but it will take about 15-20 years for it to happen i think.

Burytilidie wrote:We have seen many clubs over the years just seemingly go out of the football ladder such as Chester City going bankrupt and now being formed as totally new club, Wimbledon who the Fa didn't give a shit about but are now back in League 2 under a new name which is great to see but what clubs could be next to go out of business?
Plymouth could certainly be one as their players are not being paid and i don't see for the life of me how they will stay up Stockport also looked like they would go out of business last year but now they have some new owners although they seem quite dodgy.

I think as you said something will happen eventually but it will take about 15-20 years for it to happen i think.

It's not a problem with modern football. Clubs have gone out of business from the start of organised, competitive football. Clubs spend more than they bring in, a club will risk their financial situation on a season and see them not reach the target and set themselves back. Plymouth are another example of a club who spent more than they should have on the hope of it bringing success. It's risky, but it's not new.

Clubs going out of business isn't a new thing. The money involved is higher, but that's put simply down to inflation, demand and interest in the game.

There will always be clubs that do that. It will happen, but at the end of the day it comes down to whether they want to take the risk. If they do, they should have no sympathy if they fail.

More clubs seem to be in financial difficulties the past few years though but the way Wimbledon were forced off the footballing map to make MK Franchise was totally wrong!

Burytilidie wrote:More clubs seem to be in financial difficulties the past few years though but the way Wimbledon were forced off the footballing map to make MK Franchise was totally wrong!

And more clubs have tried the approach that Leeds and Plymouth and gambled on success. It's a gamble, if it doesn't work, they will hit shit creek.

And Wimbledon is totally different, I believe there are rules in place to stop a franchise move happening again.

I also don't see the problem with standing. Music Festivals are much worse with a larger amount of people too. Artists on stage even encourage the crowds to hurt each other, creating mosh pits or walls of death or whatever they're called.

Yeah i agree Dan the lengths some clubs are going to spend is ridiculous and if Manchester Citys owners were to leave them i would have no sympathy.
Forest what i find stupid is that League 1 and League 2 fans are allowed standing yet the other two top leagues aren't!

Not at the top level, no. Too much money to be made in tourism, merchandising, etc. and too much money to be lost when it comes to lack of political correctness.

I believe the situation with football stadiums in England is proof that making rash changes after a disaster is not always the best idea.

I agree Forest, theres nothing to stop us squashing in on a terrace anyway, on a capacity game there is space on the edges of the terrace. The top middle section no one can move their arms.

Hardly what the FA tried to achieve by banning terracing higher up the football pyramid.

Burytilidie wrote:Yeah i agree Dan the lengths some clubs are going to spend is ridiculous and if Manchester Citys owners were to leave them i would have no sympathy.
Forest what i find stupid is that League 1 and League 2 fans are allowed standing yet the other two top leagues aren't!

Most League 1 and 2 clubs can't afford to create or renovate their grounds to all-seaters if they have standing sections. You also don't need to be all-seater in the Championship.

I hated how City moved ground i liked Maine Road.

Dan wrote:

Burytilidie wrote:Yeah i agree Dan the lengths some clubs are going to spend is ridiculous and if Manchester Citys owners were to leave them i would have no sympathy.
Forest what i find stupid is that League 1 and League 2 fans are allowed standing yet the other two top leagues aren't!

Most League 1 and 2 clubs can't afford to create or renovate their grounds to all-seaters if they have standing sections. You also don't need to be all-seater in the Championship.

You do there was a rule put in place a while back i'm pretty sure as if Scunthorpe would have been in the championship for 1 more season they would have had to changed to seating behind the goal.

Weather130 wrote:I believe the situation with football stadiums in England is proof that making rash changes after a disaster is not always the best idea.

No, it was a brilliant idea. It was exactly what the game needed. People can complain all they like about it 'killing' atmosphere and whatever, but it did a hell of a lot of good for football in this country.

Dan wrote:

Burytilidie wrote:Yeah i agree Dan the lengths some clubs are going to spend is ridiculous and if Manchester Citys owners were to leave them i would have no sympathy.
Forest what i find stupid is that League 1 and League 2 fans are allowed standing yet the other two top leagues aren't!

Most League 1 and 2 clubs can't afford to create or renovate their grounds to all-seaters if they have standing sections. You also don't need to be all-seater in the Championship.

Yeah the football grants to clubs are only available if the ground is fully seated. Either go all seated or have a dodgy designed ground like Morecambe...or be like us and have a ground getting slowly shut down by Health & Safety.

Burytilidie wrote:

Dan wrote:

Most League 1 and 2 clubs can't afford to create or renovate their grounds to all-seaters if they have standing sections. You also don't need to be all-seater in the Championship.

You do there was a rule put in place a while back i'm pretty sure as if Scunthorpe would have been in the championship for 1 more season they would have had to changed to seating behind the goal.

So, they are given time to do so. If they couldn't afford it, the stand would be closed off. No problem there.

Burytilidie wrote:

Dan wrote:

Most League 1 and 2 clubs can't afford to create or renovate their grounds to all-seaters if they have standing sections. You also don't need to be all-seater in the Championship.

You do there was a rule put in place a while back i'm pretty sure as if Scunthorpe would have been in the championship for 1 more season they would have had to changed to seating behind the goal.

Also in Leagues 1 + 2 a certain percentage of the capacity has to be seats, Accrington had to bolt seats onto their shed terrace stand on the side

Radford11 wrote:

Dan wrote:

Most League 1 and 2 clubs can't afford to create or renovate their grounds to all-seaters if they have standing sections. You also don't need to be all-seater in the Championship.

Yeah the football grants to clubs are only available if the ground is fully seated. Either go all seated or have a dodgy designed ground like Morecambe...or be like us and have a ground getting slowly shut down by Health & Safety.

I know, I've got sympathy for clubs at your level. The one massive problem in football, which everyone will agree on is the difference between the Premier League and the base of the Football League.

That Shed seating bit always makes me laugh.

Game makes too much money, nothing will change right now. Just wait for it to collapse like it inevitably will and then laugh, laugh and laugh more.

Germany has proven we can have great atmospheres, get the working class at games, good affordable ticket prices, fill in top stadiums, generate great revenue and have the Modern Game's package.

The English FA and individual clubs are just too greedy. (or were anyway, now to survive in the top flight you must copy your rivals or die)

Stoke are still a traditional club imo.