Where would the World be without the UK and the US?

Depends. If they disappeared all of a sudden or if they never came into existent.

If they disappeared then shit would go down, Economy would do into the drain. The people? would they cease to exist or become refugees..... Israel would start to worry because they won't have america to help them anymore.

If they never came into existent then we would all be typing in some other language. Palestine would still be there, Hitler could of won the war, yadda yadda yadda. The world could change all over or it would be pretty much the same except for small differences.

I don't know TBH I just don't know, too complicated to even begin discussing ...

Let's get one thing straight... Hitler would not have won the war. (unless in this hypothetical, Hitler conquered Arabia and gained their oil before Russia invaded them)

The Soviets would've kicked their ass eventually, and if the USA was never colonized by Britain, than most probably there would be a huge French and Dutch state in North America to jump in the war last minute.

SBSP wrote:

Mustangt125 wrote:A much, much, much worse place for many, many millions of people.

Why?

I don't want to get into a whole thing.

There are millions and millions of people around the world who receive aid, be it through actual food in Africa or money elsewhere around the world, daily from the United States or England.

Like the US/UK policy for world affairs or not, they are the two most generous countries of all time.

You think countries like France, Egypt, China, etc give a fuck about human rights across the globe? They don't. Only the US, UK, and a few or our buddies do.

polska. wrote:Let's get one thing straight... Hitler would not have won the war. (unless in this hypothetical, Hitler conquered Arabia and gained their oil before Russia invaded them)

The Soviets would've kicked their ass eventually, and if the USA was never colonized by Britain, than most probably there would be a huge French and Dutch state in North America to jump in the war last minute.

If Germany wasn't distracted by USA and was able to fully focus on the soviets then the soviets would of lost. They would of had Japan to help as well, Germany had a much better army than the soviets at the time.

Ahly already mentioned it but I think it would be easier to give a better answer if you explain what you mean by "without the UK and US." As in both of them never existing/forming in the first place or ceasing to exist due to various reasons such as war, etc?

Well, without the UK there would be no USA....in the way that it is now anyway. It would be full of Frenchies and Spanish.

We're responsible for many breakthroughs in technology and discoveries which brought us into the modern era. Maybe someone could replicate that in the future...maybe not.....for sure we would be less advanced now.

NZG wrote:

polska. wrote:Let's get one thing straight... Hitler would not have won the war. (unless in this hypothetical, Hitler conquered Arabia and gained their oil before Russia invaded them)

The Soviets would've kicked their ass eventually, and if the USA was never colonized by Britain, than most probably there would be a huge French and Dutch state in North America to jump in the war last minute.

If Germany wasn't distracted by USA and was able to fully focus on the soviets then the soviets would of lost. They would of had Japan to help as well, Germany had a much better army than the soviets at the time.

Soviets were much more numerous though. It truly would be a war of quantity vs quality.

And who is to say a Spanish/French/Dutch North American state wouldn't get involved?

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Also, If England didn't start the industrial revolution, IMO the revolution would of happened in the lowlands, Germany or Northern Italy eventually. I think we'd be talking about 10-20 years later maybe?

Hitler would never have been born without the existence of the UK and US, and if by some fluke he had, he certainly would have never come to power, because there'd have been no World War to start with.

A big question in this is geographical, how do they cease to exist? Are they replaced with a big sea where the countries used to be? If so, when does this take place?

What happens if the people of the countries go? thats 410 Million people gone, so probably good. However would much rather nuke India and China, 2 billion people gone and no white people dead Not racist though, because white people normally give the best living conditions.

Terrorists would get bored and end up destroying France.

Liechenstein would be the domineering country of the world.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Hitler would never have been born without the existence of the UK and US, and if by some fluke he had, he certainly would have never come to power, because there'd have been no World War to start with.

A big question in this is geographical, how do they cease to exist? Are they replaced with a big sea where the countries used to be? If so, when does this take place?

Hitler also picked up his anti-semitism from a British guy.

Pippo Inzaghi wrote:Liechenstein would be the domineering country of the world.

No they wouldn't.

Way to complicated. My bet is on better.

Jayx1012 wrote:What happens if the people of the countries go? thats 410 Million people gone, so probably good. However would much rather nuke India and China, 2 billion people gone and no white people dead Not racist though, because white people normally give the best living conditions.

Just thought I'd say the second half of your post makes me think your the opposite of what you claim to be.

Anyways, listen to yourself. Talking about the possibility of nuking 2 billion people like it's a joke? Even if you were taking the piss, a troll or looking for a reaction, it was a ridiculous post.


Whatever. I'm not looking for an argument or debate and went a bit off-topic. Don't know why I even bothered.

polska. wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:The world would be very different if it weren't for pretty much every major nation, empire, or civilization.

Exactly.

Imagine if Poland didn't exist.

The polish wouldnt have anywhere to go and they couldnt go to the UK as thats gone. So Poland = fucked.

What I mean when I asked the question is they never had the people live there like I would have never been born as Im English and stuff like the Telephone wouldnt have been made ect.

Chances are that it would be in a much worse condition. I think a lot of people forget about how we have intervened and helped change the course of several wars. Even if it has involved a lot of pain and suffering along the way, we've helped to change Iraq and soon Libya for the better in the long run. It looks like we may do the same with Afghanistan if the war continues to go in our favour.

I'd also wonder what the entertainment and music industries would be like without the UK and US, considering both of these countries are generally the main ones involved in this.

Well without the UK there would be no Telephone, Lightbulb, Television, Submarines, etc. Fuck the US without the UK the rest of the world would of been fucked. I suppose it's our fault you're there though, since we found you. Then you went and created obesity and terrorism and pretty much butchered the English language.

cheesy wrote:Chances are that it would be in a much worse condition. I think a lot of people forget about how we have intervened and helped change the course of several wars. Even if it has involved a lot of pain and suffering along the way, we've helped to change Iraq and soon Libya for the better in the long run. It looks like we may do the same with Afghanistan if the war continues to go in our favour.

I'd also wonder what the entertainment and music industries would be like without the UK and US, considering both of these countries are generally the main ones involved in this.

I felt like shooting myself after reading the first paragraph. Do you not know your history? Those leaders in the Middle East were actually supported by the US.

ahlycotc wrote:

cheesy wrote:Chances are that it would be in a much worse condition. I think a lot of people forget about how we have intervened and helped change the course of several wars. Even if it has involved a lot of pain and suffering along the way, we've helped to change Iraq and soon Libya for the better in the long run. It looks like we may do the same with Afghanistan if the war continues to go in our favour.

I'd also wonder what the entertainment and music industries would be like without the UK and US, considering both of these countries are generally the main ones involved in this.

I felt like shooting myself after reading the first paragraph. Do you not know your history? Those leaders in the Middle East were actually supported by the US.

Yes, but in the end, the US played a large part in driving those leaders out.

For the wrong reasons or after it was too late. Let's look at Egypt. The US supported Mubarak for 30 years and even when the people were protesting, the US used neutral language towards Mubarak until it became clear that the people were going to win.

ahlycotc wrote:For the wrong reasons or after it was too late. Let's look at Egypt. The US supported Mubarak for 30 years and even when the people were protesting, the US used neutral language towards Mubarak until it became clear that the people were going to win.

Well, you certainly know a lot more than me on the matter, especially when you're from a place that has been involved in this sort of thing.

correct me if im wrong but didnt the church of england play a major role in Protestantism.also some of the inventions such as the internet the mobile phone thier would be no Evoultion theory also Stephen Hawking would not have proven the Big Bang theory. Then theres NASA a lot of things we know about space today we wouldnt have discovered. and the romans may have lasted longer due to the fact that there is no uk so they may well have taken the Germanic areas in Europe.



there is still more to add but cba

Australia would be fucked.

Jord wrote:Well without the UK there would be no Telephone, Lightbulb, Television, Submarines, etc. Fuck the US without the UK the rest of the world would of been fucked. I suppose it's our fault you're there though, since we found you. Then you went and created obesity and terrorism and pretty much butchered the English language.

Knew one of you mongs would turn this into a vs. USA thread.

Little brother syndrome. You would also be speaking German without us, bitch.

My God the little brother syndrome some of you have toward the US is amazing. We're on your fucking team!

Mustangt125 wrote:

Jord wrote:Well without the UK there would be no Telephone, Lightbulb, Television, Submarines, etc. Fuck the US without the UK the rest of the world would of been fucked. I suppose it's our fault you're there though, since we found you. Then you went and created obesity and terrorism and pretty much butchered the English language.

Knew one of you mongs would turn this into a vs. USA thread.

Little brother syndrome. You would also be speaking German without us, bitch.

My God the little brother syndrome some of you have toward the US is amazing.

Absolute bollocks that, utter nonsense. Without the UK the United States would not exist in the first place, and it wasn't American intervention that won the war for the Allies, it was primarily Russian intervention. All the USA did was to help liberate France and prevent the mainland European countries becoming part of the USSR.

Well you clearly know nothing about world war 2 so I'll stop right here.

Mustangt125 wrote:Well you clearly know nothing about world war 2 so I'll stop right here.

Yeah, you're wrong.

Without US intervention, Germany still would have lost.