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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:22 am

    Rick Rosstrich wrote:Arsenal before Wenger: Finished in the top 4 of the first division 12 out of over 70 times.

    Arsenal under Wenger: 15 out of 15.

    That's a bullshit statistic, United have finished in the top 3 for at least 20 consecutive seasons now as well, which is absolutely unprecedented in the club's history, it's not because Ferguson and Wenger are managerial Gods, it's because the Champions League cash and prestige helps you maintain it whereas in the past there was no significant financial reward for it.
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    Post by Mal Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:27 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Rick Rosstrich wrote:Arsenal before Wenger: Finished in the top 4 of the first division 12 out of over 70 times.

    Arsenal under Wenger: 15 out of 15.

    That's a bullshit statistic, United have finished in the top 3 for at least 20 consecutive seasons now as well, which is absolutely unprecedented in the club's history, it's not because Ferguson and Wenger are managerial Gods, it's because the Champions League cash and prestige helps you maintain it whereas in the past there was no significant financial reward for it.

    Arsenal have a nett spend of £21m since June 1992. The cash isn't exactly doing much.
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    Post by The Bat-Man Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:29 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Rick Rosstrich wrote:Arsenal before Wenger: Finished in the top 4 of the first division 12 out of over 70 times.

    Arsenal under Wenger: 15 out of 15.

    That's a bullshit statistic, United have finished in the top 3 for at least 20 consecutive seasons now as well, which is absolutely unprecedented in the club's history, it's not because Ferguson and Wenger are managerial Gods, it's because the Champions League cash and prestige helps you maintain it whereas in the past there was no significant financial reward for it.

    Actually yeah. Look at Monaco, Champions' League final, one of the biggest clubs in France, they were raking in the CL money, now facing back to back relegation. Borussia Dortmund were in deep shit before Klopp came in, even though prior to being in deep shit they won the Champions' League and had one of the best squads in Europe and were rolling in continental income. All of this happening when Wenger and Fergie were in charge..

    The difference between a good and a great manager is the ability to keep a club consistently at the top.
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:32 am

    RR doesnt understand what MANAGER means

    he thinks its just about coaching
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:32 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Rick Rosstrich wrote:Arsenal before Wenger: Finished in the top 4 of the first division 12 out of over 70 times.

    Arsenal under Wenger: 15 out of 15.

    That's a bullshit statistic, United have finished in the top 3 for at least 20 consecutive seasons now as well, which is absolutely unprecedented in the club's history, it's not because Ferguson and Wenger are managerial Gods, it's because the Champions League cash and prestige helps you maintain it whereas in the past there was no significant financial reward for it.

    Then why have teams like Liverpool and Roma not been able to maintain Champions League positions for eternity despite having initially been regulars in the Champions League? It takes a lot more than just money and prestige to maintain a Champions League position consistently for fifteen seasons.
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    Post by Mal Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:32 am

    The Bat-Man wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Rick Rosstrich wrote:Arsenal before Wenger: Finished in the top 4 of the first division 12 out of over 70 times.

    Arsenal under Wenger: 15 out of 15.

    That's a bullshit statistic, United have finished in the top 3 for at least 20 consecutive seasons now as well, which is absolutely unprecedented in the club's history, it's not because Ferguson and Wenger are managerial Gods, it's because the Champions League cash and prestige helps you maintain it whereas in the past there was no significant financial reward for it.

    Actually yeah. Look at Monaco, Champions' League final, one of the biggest clubs in France, they were raking in the CL money, now facing back to back relegation. Borussia Dortmund were in deep shit before Klopp came in, even though prior to being in deep shit they won the Champions' League and had one of the best squads in Europe and were rolling in continental income. All of this happening when Wenger and Fergie were in charge..

    The difference between a good and a great manager is the ability to keep a club consistently at the top.

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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:40 am

    Rick Rosstrich wrote:
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    Fourth is the highest Arsenal will finish (behind a rival team that has a much smaller wage budget). They can still easily fail to qualify for the CL next season. They are basically out of the CL, out of the FA Cup, and out of the Carling Cup. Another trophy-less season from Wenger and not even coming close to competing for any title. Not to mention the disharmony in the squad and Van Persie looking likely to exit in the summer. Still no great signings despite having the money to spend. When is the last time Wenger won a title?

    If Arsenal is a club that views achievement as fighting for 4th place every season and not competing for any other title, then congratulations to Wenger. He is doing his job very nicely.

    You make me want to die.

    First of all there is a £31m difference between Arsenal and Tottenham's wage budget and it'd be £23.2m if you included Adebayor's massive wages of £7.8m a year (150k a week). That is not exactly 'a much smaller wage budget'. Plus Tottenham use loads of their money on transfers Tottenham have spent £243m in the last five years on players, £76m NET spend, meanwhile Arsenal have spent £85m on players with a net spend of -£6m. Arsenal have been ahead of Spurs for all of the last five seasons with a lower budget.

    4th place is an achievement because Arsenal are in a transitional period which is lasting a lot longer than expected due to stupid commercial deals the club agreed to which can't be re-negotiated. And what disharmony in the squad? You're chatting utter bullshit.

    Arsenal before Wenger: Finished in the top 4 of the first division 12 out of over 70 times.

    Arsenal under Wenger: 15 out of 15.

    Speak about something you actually know two things about before you start chatting shit. You used to be a respectable member. You're just as bad as the other trolls now. At least do some research.

    It takes time for a team to gel. Spurs spent money on players and over the span of 5 years are sitting ahead of Arsenal. They seem to be getting better every year. Where is Arsenal? They seem to be getting worse every year. God help your team if you lose Van Persie in the summer.

    Again, the past is the past. Wenger will go down as one of the greatest managers the world has seen. But it's time to move on. A lot has changed in modern day football. Even if we can excuse the lack of spending on players, there is no excuse a team like Arsenal (with a great manager as you believe) be struggling for a Champions League place and get humiliated by Manchester United and AC Milan. Lose? Yes. Get destroyed like that? No. You got kicked out of the FA Cup by Sunderland (the team that I got insulted for suggesting they could beat Arsenal in the league a week before the cup match).

    So I'm a troll because I think Wenger should be sacked? You Arsenal fans take everything so personal. You have people hurling insults at me just because I think a manager should move on. Neutral

    So let me ask all Arsenal fans. If Arsenal fail to get a CL spot for next season, should Wenger stay? If yes, why?
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    Post by Mal Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:44 am

    Your whole argument is excusing the lack of spending when that is a big factor in our downfall....

    Maybe we should sack Wenger and hire someone like Steve Bruce, surely the future will be so much brighter.
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:47 am

    Ahly Should Wenger Get The Sack? - Page 10 58503 Just stop posting in this thread, I beg you. And no one hurls insults at you because you want a manager to move on. It's because you put forward such a terrible argument that you clearly haven't put much thought into. And the way you do it just screams troll. Bumping this thread after every game we lose. I mean, really?
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:48 am

    Ahly. facepalm
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    Post by The Bat-Man Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:49 am

    ahlycotc wrote:
    Rick Rosstrich wrote:

    You make me want to die.

    First of all there is a £31m difference between Arsenal and Tottenham's wage budget and it'd be £23.2m if you included Adebayor's massive wages of £7.8m a year (150k a week). That is not exactly 'a much smaller wage budget'. Plus Tottenham use loads of their money on transfers Tottenham have spent £243m in the last five years on players, £76m NET spend, meanwhile Arsenal have spent £85m on players with a net spend of -£6m. Arsenal have been ahead of Spurs for all of the last five seasons with a lower budget.

    4th place is an achievement because Arsenal are in a transitional period which is lasting a lot longer than expected due to stupid commercial deals the club agreed to which can't be re-negotiated. And what disharmony in the squad? You're chatting utter bullshit.

    Arsenal before Wenger: Finished in the top 4 of the first division 12 out of over 70 times.

    Arsenal under Wenger: 15 out of 15.

    Speak about something you actually know two things about before you start chatting shit. You used to be a respectable member. You're just as bad as the other trolls now. At least do some research.

    It takes time for a team to gel. Spurs spent money on players and over the span of 5 years are sitting ahead of Arsenal. They seem to be getting better every year. Where is Arsenal? They seem to be getting worse every year. God help your team if you lose Van Persie in the summer.

    Again, the past is the past. Wenger will go down as one of the greatest managers the world has seen. But it's time to move on. A lot has changed in modern day football. Even if we can excuse the lack of spending on players, there is no excuse a team like Arsenal (with a great manager as you believe) be struggling for a Champions League place and get humiliated by Manchester United and AC Milan. Lose? Yes. Get destroyed like that? No. You got kicked out of the FA Cup by Sunderland (the team that I got insulted for suggesting they could beat Arsenal in the league a week before the cup match).

    So I'm a troll because I think Wenger should be sacked? You Arsenal fans take everything so personal. You have people hurling insults at me just because I think a manager should move on. Neutral

    So let me ask all Arsenal fans. If Arsenal fail to get a CL spot for next season, should Wenger stay? If yes, why?

    Who would you have manage us and what is this money you speak of?

    Unlike Chelsea we don't have a billionaire to bail us out and unlike Barcelona we don't have a fucking province giving us loans ever 5 seconds. Wenger builds a system where we earn loads of profits but those profits still have to be used to pay for the stadium we are in. If anyone who isn't as financially aware as Wenger takes over us we'll run into the red instantly, we'll be stuck with increasing debt, a shit squad and no money.
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    Post by Zzonked Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:49 am

    Tbf Ahly, it's not just Arsenal fans taking things personally. Your argument on this even manages to winds me up. Laughing
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:54 am

    Rick Rosstrich wrote:Your whole argument is excusing the lack of spending when that is a big factor in our downfall....

    Maybe we should sack Wenger and hire someone like Steve Bruce, surely the future will be so much brighter.

    It is a major factor in your downfall, but it's not the only factor. Wenger shares responsibility as do the board/owners.

    Arsenal can do better than Steve Bruce.
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:55 am

    None of you have answered my question. If Arsenal fail to reach the CL next year, should he stay? If yes, why?
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    Post by Danny Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:55 am

    Ahly, you do talk some fucking bollocks about Arsenal mate. Laughing
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    Post by Phadunkin Donuts Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:56 am

    ahlycotc wrote:None of you have answered my question. If Arsenal fail to reach the CL next year, should he stay? If yes, why?

    Yes. Why? There wouldn't be a reason to change.
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    Post by The Bat-Man Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:57 am

    ahlycotc wrote:None of you have answered my question. If Arsenal fail to reach the CL next year, should he stay? If yes, why?

    Yes because who the fuck else will save us?
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:58 am

    Phadunkin Donuts wrote:
    ahlycotc wrote:None of you have answered my question. If Arsenal fail to reach the CL next year, should he stay? If yes, why?

    Yes. Why? There wouldn't be a reason to change.

    Interesting. So you are happy with finishing outside the top 4? How do you view Arsenal? What's the lowest Arsenal can finish before Arsene gets the sack? Is it okay as long as Arsenal is making a £50M profit every year?
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    Post by Phadunkin Donuts Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:59 am

    ahlycotc wrote:
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    Yes. Why? There wouldn't be a reason to change.

    Interesting. So you are happy with finishing outside the top 4? How do you view Arsenal? What's the lowest Arsenal can finish before Arsene gets the sack? Is it okay as long as Arsenal is making a £50M profit every year?

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    Post by Mal Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:59 am

    ahlycotc wrote:
    Rick Rosstrich wrote:Your whole argument is excusing the lack of spending when that is a big factor in our downfall....

    Maybe we should sack Wenger and hire someone like Steve Bruce, surely the future will be so much brighter.

    It is a major factor in your downfall, but it's not the only factor. Wenger shares responsibility as do the board/owners.

    Arsenal can do better than Steve Bruce.


    Obviously Wenger shares responsibility but clubs around Arsenal are signing Mata's and Agüero's while Arsenal are having to settle for Park and Chamakh, so I'd say that is a major problem.....
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:00 am

    Zzonked wrote:Tbf Ahly, it's not just Arsenal fans taking things personally. Your argument on this even manages to winds me up. Laughing
    I request you lock this thread, Ahly is just embarrassing now.
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:12 am

    The Bat-Man wrote:
    ahlycotc wrote:None of you have answered my question. If Arsenal fail to reach the CL next year, should he stay? If yes, why?

    Yes because who the fuck else will save us?

    Are you saying there are no managers out there that can do the job?

    Guardiola
    Capello
    Mourinho
    Hiddink
    Klopp

    Arsenal is splashing over £6M a year on Wenger. I'm sure they can lure some more managers with that money.
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:13 am

    Phadunkin Donuts wrote:
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    Interesting. So you are happy with finishing outside the top 4? How do you view Arsenal? What's the lowest Arsenal can finish before Arsene gets the sack? Is it okay as long as Arsenal is making a £50M profit every year?

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    It would be nice if you could answer the questions.
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    Post by Danny Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:14 am

    ahlycotc wrote:
    The Bat-Man wrote:

    Yes because who the fuck else will save us?

    Are you saying there are no managers out there that can do the job?

    Guardiola
    Capello
    Mourinho
    Hiddink
    Klopp

    Arsenal is splashing over £6M a year on Wenger. I'm sure they can lure some more managers with that money.
    Oh yeah, Guus Hiddink's going to leave Anzhi to go to Arsenal after just a few months. Can't see any of them going there tbh.
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:16 am

    No, fuck no...Wenger shouldn't get "the sack".
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    Post by The Bat-Man Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:17 am

    ahlycotc wrote:
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    Yes because who the fuck else will save us?

    Are you saying there are no managers out there that can do the job?

    Guardiola
    Capello
    Mourinho
    Hiddink
    Klopp

    Arsenal is splashing over £6M a year on Wenger. I'm sure they can lure some more managers with that money.

    Mourinho, are you fucking kidding me, we'll win the league one season, record stupid loses and then he'll leave and we'd be worse than we are now, much worse.

    Capello hasn't touched a league side since 07 and I doubt he will be for the long term good of the club, the same with Hiddink.

    Guardiola would be crap for us, utter crap, we'd be lucky not to be relegated.

    Klopp is the only one there who can do a half decent job, Wenger is still better than him though.
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:17 am

    Danny wrote:
    ahlycotc wrote:

    Are you saying there are no managers out there that can do the job?

    Guardiola
    Capello
    Mourinho
    Hiddink
    Klopp

    Arsenal is splashing over £6M a year on Wenger. I'm sure they can lure some more managers with that money.
    Oh yeah, Guus Hiddink's going to leave Anzhi to go to Arsenal after just a few months. Can't see any of them going there tbh.

    Guardiola's future is uncertain at Barca and he has said he doesn't see himself managing there for long
    Capello just quit England
    Mourinho will probably return to the EPL
    Klopp can be persuaded
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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:17 am

    The Bat-Man wrote:
    ahlycotc wrote:

    Are you saying there are no managers out there that can do the job?

    Guardiola
    Capello
    Mourinho
    Hiddink
    Klopp

    Arsenal is splashing over £6M a year on Wenger. I'm sure they can lure some more managers with that money.

    Mourinho, are you fucking kidding me, we'll win the league one season, record stupid loses and then he'll leave and we'd be worse than we are now, much worse.

    Capello hasn't touched a league side since 07 and I doubt he will be for the long term good of the club, the same with Hiddink.

    Guardiola would be crap for us, utter crap, we'd be lucky not to be relegated.

    Klopp is the only one there who can do a half decent job, Wenger is still better than him though.

    And you insult my intelligence? Laughing
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