Should Wenger Get The Sack?

ahlycotc wrote:

Danny wrote:Oh yeah, Guus Hiddink's going to leave Anzhi to go to Arsenal after just a few months. Can't see any of them going there tbh.

Guardiola's future is uncertain at Barca and he has said he doesn't see himself managing there for long
Capello just quit England
Mourinho will probably return to the EPL
Klopp can be persuaded

Guardiola will stay at Barca, personally.
Can't see Capello being overly willing to stay in England, it doesn't help that he's 65 as well and if he sticks to his word he'll be retiring.
Can't see Jose at Arsenal tbf.
Klopp, maybe.

And on top of that, I can't see Arsenal sacking Wenger.

Rick Rosstrich wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

Danny wrote:Oh yeah, Guus Hiddink's going to leave Anzhi to go to Arsenal after just a few months. Can't see any of them going there tbh.

Guardiola's future is uncertain at Barca and he has said he doesn't see himself managing there for long
Capello just quit England
Mourinho will probably return to the EPL
Klopp can be persuaded

I really doubt that. He has Reus coming next season. I really cannot see him leaving Dortmund for a loooong time. He would be great for Arsenal though.

Rick Rosstrich wrote:

What's a scene of Charlie Runkle crying supposed to mean here?

ahlycotc wrote:

The Bat-Man wrote:

Mourinho, are you fucking kidding me, we'll win the league one season, record stupid loses and then he'll leave and we'd be worse than we are now, much worse.

Capello hasn't touched a league side since 07 and I doubt he will be for the long term good of the club, the same with Hiddink.

Guardiola would be crap for us, utter crap, we'd be lucky not to be relegated.

Klopp is the only one there who can do a half decent job, Wenger is still better than him though.

And you insult my intelligence?

Just how is he insulting your intelligence?

Pep's coaching a side that he knows in and out because he himself is a byproduct of the Catalan system and has watched the majority of his star players grow up in front of him...He's never been tested outside of the Barca system.

He's also not a player's coach. He won't even speak to you for months if he doesn't want you to play. Henry and Ibra are prime examples of that.

ahlycotc wrote:

The Bat-Man wrote:

Mourinho, are you fucking kidding me, we'll win the league one season, record stupid loses and then he'll leave and we'd be worse than we are now, much worse.

Capello hasn't touched a league side since 07 and I doubt he will be for the long term good of the club, the same with Hiddink.

Guardiola would be crap for us, utter crap, we'd be lucky not to be relegated.

Klopp is the only one there who can do a half decent job, Wenger is still better than him though.

And you insult my intelligence?

Guardiola is made for Barcelona and Barcelona are made for him, he is Barcelona but if you stick him in any other team in any other league he will never be as good.

I want to love you man, you're my brother, but you're such a thicky when it comes to all things Arsenal.

ahlycotc wrote:

Rick Rosstrich wrote:

What's a scene of Charlie Runkle crying supposed to mean here?

It's a pointless post, like most of yours in here.

The Bat-Man wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

Are you saying there are no managers out there that can do the job?

Guardiola
Capello
Mourinho
Hiddink
Klopp

Arsenal is splashing over £6M a year on Wenger. I'm sure they can lure some more managers with that money.

Mourinho, are you fucking kidding me, we'll win the league one season, record stupid loses and then he'll leave and we'd be worse than we are now, much worse.

Capello hasn't touched a league side since 07 and I doubt he will be for the long term good of the club, the same with Hiddink.

Guardiola would be crap for us, utter crap, we'd be lucky not to be relegated.

Klopp is the only one there who can do a half decent job, Wenger is still better than him though.

Mourinho had a negative net spend in the season he won the treble with Inter.

Theo Filippo wrote:

The Bat-Man wrote:

Mourinho, are you fucking kidding me, we'll win the league one season, record stupid loses and then he'll leave and we'd be worse than we are now, much worse.

Capello hasn't touched a league side since 07 and I doubt he will be for the long term good of the club, the same with Hiddink.

Guardiola would be crap for us, utter crap, we'd be lucky not to be relegated.

Klopp is the only one there who can do a half decent job, Wenger is still better than him though.

Mourinho had a negative net spend in the season he won the treble with Inter.

He also won't be signing players of Wesley Sneidjer's quality for fuck all at Arsenal if he went.

EDIT: And about €70m of the total income came from the sale of one player.

Theo Filippo wrote:

The Bat-Man wrote:

Mourinho, are you fucking kidding me, we'll win the league one season, record stupid loses and then he'll leave and we'd be worse than we are now, much worse.

Capello hasn't touched a league side since 07 and I doubt he will be for the long term good of the club, the same with Hiddink.

Guardiola would be crap for us, utter crap, we'd be lucky not to be relegated.

Klopp is the only one there who can do a half decent job, Wenger is still better than him though.

Mourinho had a negative net spend in the season he won the treble with Inter.

He sold Ibra for a stupid amount of money that season, and Inter already had the perfect side for his pragmatic football.

We certainly fucking don't.

ahlycotc wrote:

Rick Rosstrich wrote:

You make me want to die.

First of all there is a £31m difference between Arsenal and Tottenham's wage budget and it'd be £23.2m if you included Adebayor's massive wages of £7.8m a year (150k a week). That is not exactly 'a much smaller wage budget'. Plus Tottenham use loads of their money on transfers Tottenham have spent £243m in the last five years on players, £76m NET spend, meanwhile Arsenal have spent £85m on players with a net spend of -£6m. Arsenal have been ahead of Spurs for all of the last five seasons with a lower budget.

4th place is an achievement because Arsenal are in a transitional period which is lasting a lot longer than expected due to stupid commercial deals the club agreed to which can't be re-negotiated. And what disharmony in the squad? You're chatting utter bullshit.

Arsenal before Wenger: Finished in the top 4 of the first division 12 out of over 70 times.

Arsenal under Wenger: 15 out of 15.

Speak about something you actually know two things about before you start chatting shit. You used to be a respectable member. You're just as bad as the other trolls now. At least do some research.

It takes time for a team to gel. Spurs spent money on players and over the span of 5 years are sitting ahead of Arsenal. They seem to be getting better every year. Where is Arsenal? They seem to be getting worse every year. God help your team if you lose Van Persie in the summer.

Again, the past is the past. Wenger will go down as one of the greatest managers the world has seen. But it's time to move on. A lot has changed in modern day football. Even if we can excuse the lack of spending on players, there is no excuse a team like Arsenal (with a great manager as you believe) be struggling for a Champions League place and get humiliated by Manchester United and AC Milan. Lose? Yes. Get destroyed like that? No. You got kicked out of the FA Cup by Sunderland (the team that I got insulted for suggesting they could beat Arsenal in the league a week before the cup match).

So I'm a troll because I think Wenger should be sacked? You Arsenal fans take everything so personal. You have people hurling insults at me just because I think a manager should move on.

So let me ask all Arsenal fans. If Arsenal fail to get a CL spot for next season, should Wenger stay? If yes, why?

Not true.

I insulted you for suggesting that Sunderland would finish above Arsenal.

Like I said before, you are full of shit.

ahlycotc wrote:

Phadunkin Donuts wrote:

Yes. Why? There wouldn't be a reason to change.

Interesting. So you are happy with finishing outside the top 4? How do you view Arsenal? What's the lowest Arsenal can finish before Arsene gets the sack? Is it okay as long as Arsenal is making a £50M profit every year?

Don't twist it like that.
Barcelona are expected to win the league every year, this year, it doesn't look as likely, so should Guardiola get sacked for finishing 2nd?

It's more or less the same situation as Arsene Wenger and Arsenal.

The Bat-Man wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:Mourinho had a negative net spend in the season he won the treble with Inter.

He sold Ibra for a stupid amount of money that season, and Inter already had the perfect side for his pragmatic football.

We certainly fucking don't.

I don't care. I just think your point about Mourinho is bullshit he spends what he is given.

No.

Theo Filippo wrote:

The Bat-Man wrote:

He sold Ibra for a stupid amount of money that season, and Inter already had the perfect side for his pragmatic football.

We certainly fucking don't.

I don't care. I just think your point about Mourinho is bullshit he spends what he is given.

He won't be given anything at Arsenal, it's not like we have any money, so he'll be stuck with a squad that can't defend and can barely attack.

Theo Filippo wrote:

The Bat-Man wrote:

He sold Ibra for a stupid amount of money that season, and Inter already had the perfect side for his pragmatic football.

We certainly fucking don't.

I don't care. I just think your point about Mourinho is bullshit he spends what he is given.

He spends what he's given because he's always given what he wants. Moratti is swimming in money, as is Roman, and Real will never be denied a loan by the major banks of Spain.

Aside from Porto, he's never been part of a side where money is an issue.

The Bat-Man wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:I don't care. I just think your point about Mourinho is bullshit he spends what he is given.

He won't be given anything at Arsenal, it's not like we have any money, so he'll be stuck with a squad that can't defend and can barely attack.

Yeah those cash reserves of 115 million mean absolutely fuck all.

ilJuventino wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:I don't care. I just think your point about Mourinho is bullshit he spends what he is given.

He spends what he's given because he's always given what he wants. Moratti is swimming in money, as is Roman, and Real will never be denied a loan by the major banks of Spain.

Aside from Porto, he's never been part of a side where money is an issue.

Still impressive having a negative net spend and winning the treble though.

ilJuventino wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

And you insult my intelligence?

Just how is he insulting your intelligence?

Pep's coaching a side that he knows in and out because he himself is a byproduct of the Catalan system and has watched the majority of his star players grow up in front of him...He's never been tested outside of the Barca system.

He's also not a player's coach. He won't even speak to you for months if he doesn't want you to play. Henry and Ibra are prime examples of that.

Arsenal and Barca share a lot in common. They rely on bring young prospects into the first team. They play a passing game. Pep can fit in nicely. He might not have the same resources as he does at Barca, but I think he can do a good job.

I used to think Rijkaard was not a good manager and only stayed as long as he did at Barca because of the players he had at his disposal. That view was strengthened with Pep at the helm. He was much better than Rijkaard. Tactics improved, he was more personal with the players, etc.

The Bat-Man wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

And you insult my intelligence?

Guardiola is made for Barcelona and Barcelona are made for him, he is Barcelona but if you stick him in any other team in any other league he will never be as good.

I want to love you man, you're my brother, but you're such a thicky when it comes to all things Arsenal.

Sure, he won't be winning almost everything like he does with Barca. But why would he fail anywhere else. I understand you were probably exaggerating when you said Arsenal would probably be relegated with Pep at the helm, but shows that you think he will do a much worse job than Wenger.

Rick Rosstrich wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

What's a scene of Charlie Runkle crying supposed to mean here?

It's a pointless post, like most of yours in here.

I see. Talking about the prospect of Wenger being sacked in a thread designed specifically for that is pointless. Would you like it if I licked Wenger's ass instead?

I proposed a question. What if Arsenal fail to reach the CL next season (a good possibility still)? The response seemed to be about the lack of replacements. I provided some and it seems like the majority agree Klopp would at least be a good replacement if he could be convinced to come. Are there any other reasons to keep Wenger other than his glorious past?

Theo Filippo wrote:

ilJuventino wrote:

He spends what he's given because he's always given what he wants. Moratti is swimming in money, as is Roman, and Real will never be denied a loan by the major banks of Spain.

Aside from Porto, he's never been part of a side where money is an issue.

Still impressive having a negative net spend and winning the treble though.

When you look at the reason why they had a negative net spend, it's not so impressive.

Theo Filippo wrote:

The Bat-Man wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:I don't care. I just think your point about Mourinho is bullshit he spends what he is given.

He won't be given anything at Arsenal, it's not like we have any money, so he'll be stuck with a squad that can't defend and can barely attack.

Yeah those cash reserves of 115 million mean absolutely fuck all.

http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2012/02/arsenals-mystery-dance.html

Danny wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:Still impressive having a negative net spend and winning the treble though.

When you look at the reason why they had a negative net spend, it's not so impressive.

Ok, lets just pretend Ibrahimovic doesn't exist and they bought Eto'o for 30 million thats a positive net spend of 25 million roughly, still fucking impressive.

ahlycotc wrote:

ilJuventino wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

And you insult my intelligence?

Just how is he insulting your intelligence?

Pep's coaching a side that he knows in and out because he himself is a byproduct of the Catalan system and has watched the majority of his star players grow up in front of him...He's never been tested outside of the Barca system.

He's also not a player's coach. He won't even speak to you for months if he doesn't want you to play. Henry and Ibra are prime examples of that.

Arsenal and Barca share a lot in common. They rely on bring young prospects into the first team. They play a passing game. Pep can fit in nicely. He might not have the same resources as he does at Barca, but I think he can do a good job.

I used to think Rijkaard was not a good manager and only stayed as long as he did at Barca because of the players he had at his disposal. That view was strengthened with Pep at the helm. He was much better than Rijkaard. Tactics improved, he was more personal with the players, etc.

The Bat-Man wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

And you insult my intelligence?

Guardiola is made for Barcelona and Barcelona are made for him, he is Barcelona but if you stick him in any other team in any other league he will never be as good.

I want to love you man, you're my brother, but you're such a thicky when it comes to all things Arsenal.

Sure, he won't be winning almost everything like he does with Barca. But why would he fail anywhere else. I understand you were probably exaggerating when you said Arsenal would probably be relegated with Pep at the helm, but shows that you think he will do a much worse job than Wenger.

Rick Rosstrich wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

What's a scene of Charlie Runkle crying supposed to mean here?

It's a pointless post, like most of yours in here.

I see. Talking about the prospect of Wenger being sacked in a thread designed specifically for that is pointless. Would you like it if I licked Wenger's ass instead?

I proposed a question. What if Arsenal fail to reach the CL next season (a good possibility still)? The response seemed to be about the lack of replacements. I provided some and it seems like the majority agree Klopp would at least be a good replacement if he could be convinced to come. Are there any other reasons to keep Wenger other than his glorious past?

There's plenty of major reasons to keep Wenger, like consistently delivering Champions League football on a budget smaller than Bolton.

Theo Filippo wrote:

Danny wrote:When you look at the reason why they had a negative net spend, it's not so impressive.

Ok, lets just pretend Ibrahimovic doesn't exist and they bought Eto'o for 30 million thats a positive net spend of 25 million roughly, still fucking impressive.

What? If you take away the €50m they got for Ibra, their income would only have been around €47m.

Danny wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:Ok, lets just pretend Ibrahimovic doesn't exist and they bought Eto'o for 30 million thats a positive net spend of 25 million roughly, still fucking impressive.

What? If you take away the €50m they got for Ibra, their income would only have been around €47m.

I thought it was around 35 + Eto'o valued at 25m?

The Zlatan wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:

It takes time for a team to gel. Spurs spent money on players and over the span of 5 years are sitting ahead of Arsenal. They seem to be getting better every year. Where is Arsenal? They seem to be getting worse every year. God help your team if you lose Van Persie in the summer.

Again, the past is the past. Wenger will go down as one of the greatest managers the world has seen. But it's time to move on. A lot has changed in modern day football. Even if we can excuse the lack of spending on players, there is no excuse a team like Arsenal (with a great manager as you believe) be struggling for a Champions League place and get humiliated by Manchester United and AC Milan. Lose? Yes. Get destroyed like that? No. You got kicked out of the FA Cup by Sunderland (the team that I got insulted for suggesting they could beat Arsenal in the league a week before the cup match).

So I'm a troll because I think Wenger should be sacked? You Arsenal fans take everything so personal. You have people hurling insults at me just because I think a manager should move on.

So let me ask all Arsenal fans. If Arsenal fail to get a CL spot for next season, should Wenger stay? If yes, why?

Not true.

I insulted you for suggesting that Sunderland would finish above Arsenal.

Like I said before, you are full of shit.

ahlycotc wrote:

Interesting. So you are happy with finishing outside the top 4? How do you view Arsenal? What's the lowest Arsenal can finish before Arsene gets the sack? Is it okay as long as Arsenal is making a £50M profit every year?

Don't twist it like that.
Barcelona are expected to win the league every year, this year, it doesn't look as likely, so should Guardiola get sacked for finishing 2nd?

It's more or less the same situation as Arsene Wenger and Arsenal.

1) I didn't really suggest that Sunderland will finish above Arsenal. Blade can back me up on that. What I said was that Sunderland can beat Arsenal that week and be only 4 points behind Arsenal. Anything can happen.

2) Barca have the quality to win everything every year, but failure to do so is expected. Bad referee decisions, injuries, bad form, etc. can all affect how a team does in a competition. Barca (despite the problems they have faced this year) are still in all competitions. Even if Barca end trophyless this season, Pep can improve next year. But the pressure does increase on Pep if that happens. Just like any manager, if failure becomes a habit, it's time to move on. Pep is not untouchable. Those 15 titles or how ever many he won at Barca mean nothing for job security if he is bringing the club down and failing to win a single thing for 7 years.

Theo Filippo wrote:

ilJuventino wrote:

He spends what he's given because he's always given what he wants. Moratti is swimming in money, as is Roman, and Real will never be denied a loan by the major banks of Spain.

Aside from Porto, he's never been part of a side where money is an issue.

Still impressive having a negative net spend and winning the treble though.

He did so because he brought in quality players (Milito, Lucio, Eto'o, Sneijder). Yet he still parked the bus a shitload of times, even though his team in the league was still leaps and bounds better than the competition.

Theo Filippo wrote:

Danny wrote:What? If you take away the €50m they got for Ibra, their income would only have been around €47m.

I thought it was around 35 + Eto'o valued at 25m?

I've been reading it they got Eto'o for €20 and sold Ibra for €50m.

Rick Rosstrich wrote:There's plenty of major reasons to keep Wenger, like consistently delivering Champions League football on a budget smaller than Bolton.

What if he fails to deliver that for next season? That was my initial question.

Arsenal have a much better squad than Bolton. So what's the point of that comparison?

ilJuventino wrote:

Theo Filippo wrote:Still impressive having a negative net spend and winning the treble though.

He did so because he brought in quality players (Milito, Eto'o, Sneijder). Yet he still parked the bus a shitload of times, even though his team in the league was still leaps and bounds better than the competition.

Do not insult his style of play , watching those defensive master-classes were great