Errr...I am an unbiased observer, and this is what makes me superior to you. There are better alternatives to Arshavin, in my unbiased opinion.ResurrectionRooney wrote:That's not even true.Glen Damon wrote:What do you think about him lacking the general fitness to play more than 30 minutes in the league? Does that affect his chances of playing more regularly?
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Should Wenger Get The Sack?
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Should Wenger Be Sacked?
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Fonseca wrote:BladeGunner wrote:
Yes, we generate profit. That doesn't mean the money made is available to spend.
We generate more than enough profit without transfers, the point is that he wanted to spend what he earned last summer so he did. The summer before that he didn't want to buy shit with 30m in profit made. Does that still make sense?
Why do you think he doesn't want to spend that money? What is his motive?
Scott wrote:BladeGunner wrote:
Ridiculous argument. There are plenty of available mangers who are more than qualified to manage a football club. If he really was the sole culprit behind our lack of spending and success (which, in my opinion, he most certainly isn't), there should be absolutely no hesitation in sacking him.
Like who?
Many managers would do anything to get a job as manager of Arsenal Football Club. Even someone who is currently unemployed like Guus Hiddink would be more than capable of doing the job.
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Rafael Benitez. 
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Tbh, in my opinion, if you get rid of Wenger, Arsenal FC = gone.
Unless you get Rafa Benitez. He'll turn you into world beaters.
Unless you get Rafa Benitez. He'll turn you into world beaters.
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Rafael Benitez would be an absolutely terrible choice.
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Keeping all pressure off his 7m a season salary?
Keeping Arsenal in the top 4 with the lowest budget? (Motive he stated was more important than winning the league)
Being deluded?
I'm not a mind reader
Keeping Arsenal in the top 4 with the lowest budget? (Motive he stated was more important than winning the league)
Being deluded?
I'm not a mind reader
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Scott wrote:Tbh, in my opinion, if you get rid of Wenger, Arsenal FC = gone.
Unless you get Rafa Benitez. He'll turn you into world beaters.
Aye, after he turned Liverpool and Inter into such dominant sides, I don't know how anyone could question him.
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Scott wrote:Tbh, in my opinion, if you get rid of Wenger, Arsenal FC = gone.
Unless you get Rafa Benitez. He'll turn you into world beaters.
We're a joke team now. Part of that is down to Wenger. It's not all his fault but he needs to be held accountable without everyone reminding us of what he's done for us in the past.
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He was not helped by the problems behind the scenes at Liverpool Football Club.ResurrectionRooney wrote:Scott wrote:Tbh, in my opinion, if you get rid of Wenger, Arsenal FC = gone.
Unless you get Rafa Benitez. He'll turn you into world beaters.
Aye, after he turned Liverpool and Inter into such dominant sides, I don't know how anyone could question him.
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Glen Damon wrote:He was not helped by the problems behind the scenes at Liverpool Football Club.ResurrectionRooney wrote:
Aye, after he turned Liverpool and Inter into such dominant sides, I don't know how anyone could question him.
He was somewhat responsible for them though. He also fell out with Moratti and Inter and the Valencia owners.
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Somewhat true. Perhaps his biggest mistake was unsettling Alonso through his pursuit of that fat prat Gareth BarryResurrectionRooney wrote:He was somewhat responsible for them though. He also fell out with Moratti and Inter and the Valencia owners.
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Yeah, that was absolutely catastrophic management. Supposedly the plan was to sell Alonso, play Barry on the left and have him link up with Robert Keane, presumably with Mascherano and Lucas being the central midfield duo.
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BladeGunner wrote:ahlycotc wrote:
I think a part of it was so he doesn't get criticized for not spending.
Arsenal make a profit every year (I'm assuming because they don't seem to be spending) and sold Fabregas. They have money available.
That first sentence is ludicrous. You surely don't believe that. As for the rest of that, you've said that all before and it's already been refuted. How is not spending the money at his disposal in Arsene Wenger's best interest?
Because that's not his style. He has many times before said he thinks the market is inflated. Why would he come out and say he doesn't want to buy anyone in January?
He likes buying young talent and making them grow at Arsenal.
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What are you implying?ahlycotc wrote:He likes buying young talent and making them grow at Arsenal.
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Fonseca wrote:Keeping all pressure off his 7m a season salary?
Keeping Arsenal in the top 4 with the lowest budget? (Motive he stated was more important than winning the league)
Being deluded?
I'm not a mind reader
Is the middle one his decision though?
He's done a good job of keeping Arsenal up there while still spending a net of fuck all, but I think if it was up to him he'd want to spend money and win something.
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ReinaResurrectionRooney wrote:Yeah, that was absolutely catastrophic management. Supposedly the plan was to sell Alonso, play Barry on the left and have him link up with Robert Keane, presumably with Mascherano and Lucas being the central midfield duo.
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My word.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/48775-gareth-barry-or-xabi-alonso-who-is-the-man-for-liverpool
"Alonso can excell at one or two
things like his vision for a pass or a long shot now and again, but that
is not what wins us matchs on a week in week out basis. Barry is by far the better all
round player"
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ahlycotc wrote:BladeGunner wrote:
That first sentence is ludicrous. You surely don't believe that. As for the rest of that, you've said that all before and it's already been refuted. How is not spending the money at his disposal in Arsene Wenger's best interest?
Because that's not his style. He has many times before said he thinks the market is inflated. Why would he come out and say he doesn't want to buy anyone in January?
He likes buying young talent and making them grow at Arsenal.
Of course he thinks the market is inflated. It is inflated. He said that because a transfer window in the middle of the season is disruptive to everyone.
And why do you think he likes buying young talent and making them grow only to see them leave when they reach their peak as he and his club fail to win anything? Why would he want that? How on earth can any sane man like or want to do this to himself?!
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Zzonked wrote:Fonseca wrote:Keeping all pressure off his 7m a season salary?
Keeping Arsenal in the top 4 with the lowest budget? (Motive he stated was more important than winning the league)
Being deluded?
I'm not a mind reader
Is the middle one his decision though?
He's done a good job of keeping Arsenal up there while still spending a net of fuck all, but I think if it was up to him he'd want to spend money and win something.
What he suggests
Being in the champions league is a complete success
Being in the champions league is more important than trophies
Would rather not spend
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/9452017.stmWenger went on: "We have been in the Champions League for 15 years, and there are only two clubs who have done that in this country - it is us and Manchester United.
"Trophies are one way to judge a club. They're not overrated as it allows you to say you have won a trophy, but would you swap winning the FA Cup for playing in the Champions League?
"There are teams who invest 10 times more than us, one player cost more than the whole team and they are behind us. I don't understand the way people think."
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Fonseca wrote:Zzonked wrote:
Is the middle one his decision though?
He's done a good job of keeping Arsenal up there while still spending a net of fuck all, but I think if it was up to him he'd want to spend money and win something.
What he suggests
Being in the champions league is a complete success
Being in the champions league is more important than trophies
Would rather not spend
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/9452017.stmWenger went on: "We have been in the Champions League for 15 years, and there are only two clubs who have done that in this country - it is us and Manchester United.
"Trophies are one way to judge a club. They're not overrated as it allows you to say you have won a trophy, but would you swap winning the FA Cup for playing in the Champions League?
"There are teams who invest 10 times more than us, one player cost more than the whole team and they are behind us. I don't understand the way people think."
Do you expect him to go out and say that the board isn't letting him spend any money and that we're grossly underachieving because of it, having to aim for things like Champions League qualification when in reality we should be more ambitious? Of course he's not going to say that. He tries to appease the fans and the board.
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BladeGunner wrote:ahlycotc wrote:
Because that's not his style. He has many times before said he thinks the market is inflated. Why would he come out and say he doesn't want to buy anyone in January?
He likes buying young talent and making them grow at Arsenal.
Of course he thinks the market is inflated. It is inflated. He said that because a transfer window in the middle of the season is disruptive to everyone.
And why do you think he likes buying young talent and making them grow only to see them leave when they reach their peak as he and his club fail to win anything? Why would he want that? How on earth can any sane man like or want to do this to himself?!
That's why he should be sacked. Wenger isn't God. Any manager can make bad decisions. When they continue to stick a bad policy, it's time for them to change or move on.
Arsenal need to make a decision. Do they just want to make the CL (which is in doubt this year) with a good financial record or actually start to win something? I'm not asking for Wenger to blow money left and right. I don't think Wenger has anybody to blame but himself for Fabregas, Nasri, and potentially Van Persie wanting to leave.
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The board needs to leave before Wenger does. They're what's really handicapping us.
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ahlycotc wrote:BladeGunner wrote:
Of course he thinks the market is inflated. It is inflated. He said that because a transfer window in the middle of the season is disruptive to everyone.
And why do you think he likes buying young talent and making them grow only to see them leave when they reach their peak as he and his club fail to win anything? Why would he want that? How on earth can any sane man like or want to do this to himself?!
That's why he should be sacked. Wenger isn't God. Any manager can make bad decisions. When they continue to stick a bad policy, it's time for them to change or move on.
Arsenal need to make a decision. Do they just want to make the CL (which is in doubt this year) with a good financial record or actually start to win something? I'm not asking for Wenger to blow money left and right. I don't think Wenger has anybody to blame but himself for Fabregas, Nasri, and potentially Van Persie wanting to leave.
Why do you think he would stick to this policy? I feel like I'm repeating myself now. Why would he continue to make the same mistakes when the consequences are so blatantly clear? If he is the only culprit behind our lack of spending and success, and the fact that we only bring in young players to develop them, then there are only two possibilites. He's either retarded or he's a paedophile. Do you think Arsene Wenger is completely oblivious to everything that's gone on in the club for the past six seasons? This is a man with degrees in engineering and economics, I think we can safely rule out the possibility of him being completely retarded. Maybe he's a paedophile and we just don't know it yet.
Also, how do you think it's only his fault that players want to leave? How can you not even entertain the possibility of the board getting in his way?
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ahlycotc wrote:Sarmz wrote:Let's be serious. No manager is going to get to spend money at Arsenal as long as we still have this shitty board.
It's Wenger's fault too. He said he won't buy anyone and even suggested getting rid of the January transfer window. It's not because he doesn't have the money.
Arsene Wenger is not just handed a large quantity of transfer funds to spend at his will as you seem to think.
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BladeGunner wrote:Do you expect him to go out and say that the board isn't letting him spend any money and that we're grossly underachieving because of it, having to aim for things like Champions League qualification when in reality we should be more ambitious? Of course he's not going to say that. He tries to appease the fans and the board.
Well no because they blatently do, even if they don't they'd be lier's and eventually they'd be exposed some way in another. The way I see it is that Gazadis + PHW have stated on numerous occasions money is available, but they can't compete with megastocked oil owners.
What makes more sense to you
Can't compete with really really rich people telling it like it is
or
Gazadis + Phw lying to the press a good 10 times about giving Wenger money?
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Fonseca wrote:BladeGunner wrote:Do you expect him to go out and say that the board isn't letting him spend any money and that we're grossly underachieving because of it, having to aim for things like Champions League qualification when in reality we should be more ambitious? Of course he's not going to say that. He tries to appease the fans and the board.
Well no because they blatently do, even if they don't they'd be lier's and eventually they'd be exposed some way in another. The way I see it is that Gazadis + PHW have stated on numerous occasions money is available, but they can't compete with megastocked oil owners.
What makes more sense to you
Can't compete with really really rich people telling it like it is
or
Gazadis + Phw lying to the press a good 10 times about giving Wenger money?
Either way, it's not really Arsene Wenger's fault.
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Well this is fun. 
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It's going to happen eventually.. so yes, I wouldn't mind if it happened within the next year or two.
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Should stay till the end of the season and then find a suitable replacement. No real candidates that are available stand out for me, I mean an Arsenal fan mentioned Simon Grayson on Talksport
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Do not want.Van Wolfswinkel wrote:Should stay till the end of the season and then find a suitable replacement. No real candidates that are available stand out for me, I mean an Arsenal fan mentioned Simon Grayson on Talksport
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I'm convinced even more now.
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