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    Post by Scouser_Dave Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:34 am

    Dan wrote:
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    He doesn't cost us a 'shitload of goals' at right-back.

    And if he really was that bad at defending, I'm pretty sure the likes of Mourinho, Benitez, Capello etc. would have noticed and tried to see if he would work further up field. He hasn't been tried there/hasn't remained there, which suggests he might be a damn sight better at RB than further up.

    Benitez for a start is one of the best coaches in the world defensively, and he never had a problem playing Johnson there. Which says a lot for the ability of someone who can't defend.

    The problem could fall with Johnson. If he doesn't feel comfortable playing further up the pitch then the manager isn't going to force him.

    And yes Johnson does cost us alot of goals at right back. His timing defensively is piss poor for someone who has been playing in that position for such a long time. Even the last game he played he fucked up in that position and cost us. Just can't see why managers stick with him there when he is so out of there depth defensively.

    Because he obviously isn't. Dalglish, Benitez, Capello, Mourinho (he was even reportedly interested in taking him to Real Madrid) all seem to think he is perfectly capable of playing well at RB. If he was truly as out of his depth defensively as you suggest, he wouldn't be here.

    I've seen it with my own eyes Dan Laughing When the defence haven't got his back he's all over the place. Look at that Arsenal game a few seasons back with that own goal or the Sunderland beach ball incident where he just stood there, cost us both games. When has Kelly made a mistake as big as those?

    Are you actually serious? He scored an own goal? Big whoop. That happens. I bet you any amount of money Kelly has done that at some stage and will do again.

    Secondly, what did you want him to do against Sunderland? The ball hit a fucking beach ball and deflected away from where everyone thought it was going. Did you want him to predict that the ball was going to deflect off the random ball that had been thrown onto the pitch? He was attempting to block the shot from Bent (or whoever it was) the fact it hit the beach ball was why it went in.

    Plus, Johnson was played about 70+ games for us. Kelly has probably just passed 20. I'd say it's a bit unfair to compare who makes more mistakes considering there is a 50 game difference.

    Doubt it, Kelly knows how to defend.

    If Johnson was marking Bent more tightly then he wouldn't have go the shot off. If you look over the video again he left him in miles of space to get a shot off.

    It isn't unfair to compare them because Johnson was fucking up in his first 20 games for us. Kelly has rarely put a foot wrong in his first 20.
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    Post by Guest Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:39 am

    Scouser_Dave wrote:
    Dan wrote:
    Scouser_Dave wrote:
    Dan wrote:
    Scouser_Dave wrote:

    The problem could fall with Johnson. If he doesn't feel comfortable playing further up the pitch then the manager isn't going to force him.

    And yes Johnson does cost us alot of goals at right back. His timing defensively is piss poor for someone who has been playing in that position for such a long time. Even the last game he played he fucked up in that position and cost us. Just can't see why managers stick with him there when he is so out of there depth defensively.

    Because he obviously isn't. Dalglish, Benitez, Capello, Mourinho (he was even reportedly interested in taking him to Real Madrid) all seem to think he is perfectly capable of playing well at RB. If he was truly as out of his depth defensively as you suggest, he wouldn't be here.

    I've seen it with my own eyes Dan Laughing When the defence haven't got his back he's all over the place. Look at that Arsenal game a few seasons back with that own goal or the Sunderland beach ball incident where he just stood there, cost us both games. When has Kelly made a mistake as big as those?

    Are you actually serious? He scored an own goal? Big whoop. That happens. I bet you any amount of money Kelly has done that at some stage and will do again.

    Secondly, what did you want him to do against Sunderland? The ball hit a fucking beach ball and deflected away from where everyone thought it was going. Did you want him to predict that the ball was going to deflect off the random ball that had been thrown onto the pitch? He was attempting to block the shot from Bent (or whoever it was) the fact it hit the beach ball was why it went in.

    Plus, Johnson was played about 70+ games for us. Kelly has probably just passed 20. I'd say it's a bit unfair to compare who makes more mistakes considering there is a 50 game difference.

    Doubt it, Kelly knows how to defend.

    If Johnson was marking Bent more tightly then he wouldn't have go the shot off. If you look over the video again he left him in miles of space to get a shot off.

    It isn't unfair to compare them because Johnson was fucking up in his first 20 games for us. Kelly has rarely put a foot wrong in his first 20.

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    Do the two centre-backs at Barcelona not know how to defend either?
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    Post by Scouser_Dave Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:41 am

    Dan wrote:
    Scouser_Dave wrote:
    Dan wrote:
    Scouser_Dave wrote:
    Dan wrote:

    Because he obviously isn't. Dalglish, Benitez, Capello, Mourinho (he was even reportedly interested in taking him to Real Madrid) all seem to think he is perfectly capable of playing well at RB. If he was truly as out of his depth defensively as you suggest, he wouldn't be here.

    I've seen it with my own eyes Dan Laughing When the defence haven't got his back he's all over the place. Look at that Arsenal game a few seasons back with that own goal or the Sunderland beach ball incident where he just stood there, cost us both games. When has Kelly made a mistake as big as those?

    Are you actually serious? He scored an own goal? Big whoop. That happens. I bet you any amount of money Kelly has done that at some stage and will do again.

    Secondly, what did you want him to do against Sunderland? The ball hit a fucking beach ball and deflected away from where everyone thought it was going. Did you want him to predict that the ball was going to deflect off the random ball that had been thrown onto the pitch? He was attempting to block the shot from Bent (or whoever it was) the fact it hit the beach ball was why it went in.

    Plus, Johnson was played about 70+ games for us. Kelly has probably just passed 20. I'd say it's a bit unfair to compare who makes more mistakes considering there is a 50 game difference.

    Doubt it, Kelly knows how to defend.

    If Johnson was marking Bent more tightly then he wouldn't have go the shot off. If you look over the video again he left him in miles of space to get a shot off.

    It isn't unfair to compare them because Johnson was fucking up in his first 20 games for us. Kelly has rarely put a foot wrong in his first 20.

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    Puyol - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU0M9IY18Yc


    Do the two centre-backs at Barcelona not know how to defend either?

    How often do you see them making a mistake though? Very rare.
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    Post by Jamie Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:41 am

    Everyone knows that Barcelona defenders don't actually defend Dan. Stick Poulsen there and they'll still have the best record in the league.
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    Post by Guest Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:42 am

    I like big Glen. Surprised

    But I also like little Martin.
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    Post by SpiritOfShankly Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:42 am

    Dan wrote:
    Scouser_Dave wrote:
    Dan wrote:
    Scouser_Dave wrote:
    Dan wrote:

    Because he obviously isn't. Dalglish, Benitez, Capello, Mourinho (he was even reportedly interested in taking him to Real Madrid) all seem to think he is perfectly capable of playing well at RB. If he was truly as out of his depth defensively as you suggest, he wouldn't be here.

    I've seen it with my own eyes Dan Laughing When the defence haven't got his back he's all over the place. Look at that Arsenal game a few seasons back with that own goal or the Sunderland beach ball incident where he just stood there, cost us both games. When has Kelly made a mistake as big as those?

    Are you actually serious? He scored an own goal? Big whoop. That happens. I bet you any amount of money Kelly has done that at some stage and will do again.

    Secondly, what did you want him to do against Sunderland? The ball hit a fucking beach ball and deflected away from where everyone thought it was going. Did you want him to predict that the ball was going to deflect off the random ball that had been thrown onto the pitch? He was attempting to block the shot from Bent (or whoever it was) the fact it hit the beach ball was why it went in.

    Plus, Johnson was played about 70+ games for us. Kelly has probably just passed 20. I'd say it's a bit unfair to compare who makes more mistakes considering there is a 50 game difference.

    Doubt it, Kelly knows how to defend.

    If Johnson was marking Bent more tightly then he wouldn't have go the shot off. If you look over the video again he left him in miles of space to get a shot off.

    It isn't unfair to compare them because Johnson was fucking up in his first 20 games for us. Kelly has rarely put a foot wrong in his first 20.

    Pique - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3xF9VsVq3Q
    Puyol - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU0M9IY18Yc


    Do the two centre-backs at Barcelona not know how to defend either?


    That's a weak point he was just giving two examples and you've focused on the own goal he hasn't said Johnson is a bad defender because he scored that own goal against Arsenal.
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    Post by Guest Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:42 am

    I'm not talking about mistakes. I'm talking about own goals. You said Kelly probably hasn't scored an own goal because he 'knows how to defend'. Pique and Puyol have both scored an own goal in their careers (probably more). Does that mean Kelly knows how to defend better than them?
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    Post by Guest Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:44 am

    SpiritOfShankly wrote:
    Dan wrote:
    Scouser_Dave wrote:
    Dan wrote:
    Scouser_Dave wrote:

    I've seen it with my own eyes Dan Laughing When the defence haven't got his back he's all over the place. Look at that Arsenal game a few seasons back with that own goal or the Sunderland beach ball incident where he just stood there, cost us both games. When has Kelly made a mistake as big as those?

    Are you actually serious? He scored an own goal? Big whoop. That happens. I bet you any amount of money Kelly has done that at some stage and will do again.

    Secondly, what did you want him to do against Sunderland? The ball hit a fucking beach ball and deflected away from where everyone thought it was going. Did you want him to predict that the ball was going to deflect off the random ball that had been thrown onto the pitch? He was attempting to block the shot from Bent (or whoever it was) the fact it hit the beach ball was why it went in.

    Plus, Johnson was played about 70+ games for us. Kelly has probably just passed 20. I'd say it's a bit unfair to compare who makes more mistakes considering there is a 50 game difference.

    Doubt it, Kelly knows how to defend.

    If Johnson was marking Bent more tightly then he wouldn't have go the shot off. If you look over the video again he left him in miles of space to get a shot off.

    It isn't unfair to compare them because Johnson was fucking up in his first 20 games for us. Kelly has rarely put a foot wrong in his first 20.

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    Puyol - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU0M9IY18Yc


    Do the two centre-backs at Barcelona not know how to defend either?


    That's a weak point he was just giving two examples and you've focused on the own goal he hasn't said Johnson is a bad defender because he scored that own goal against Arsenal.

    He's using it as an example as to why he thinks Kelly is better than Johnson. He then went onto say that Kelly hasn't scored an own goal like Glen has because 'Kelly knows how to defend'.
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    Post by SpiritOfShankly Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:48 am

    Dan wrote:
    SpiritOfShankly wrote:
    Dan wrote:
    Scouser_Dave wrote:
    Dan wrote:

    Are you actually serious? He scored an own goal? Big whoop. That happens. I bet you any amount of money Kelly has done that at some stage and will do again.

    Secondly, what did you want him to do against Sunderland? The ball hit a fucking beach ball and deflected away from where everyone thought it was going. Did you want him to predict that the ball was going to deflect off the random ball that had been thrown onto the pitch? He was attempting to block the shot from Bent (or whoever it was) the fact it hit the beach ball was why it went in.

    Plus, Johnson was played about 70+ games for us. Kelly has probably just passed 20. I'd say it's a bit unfair to compare who makes more mistakes considering there is a 50 game difference.

    Doubt it, Kelly knows how to defend.

    If Johnson was marking Bent more tightly then he wouldn't have go the shot off. If you look over the video again he left him in miles of space to get a shot off.

    It isn't unfair to compare them because Johnson was fucking up in his first 20 games for us. Kelly has rarely put a foot wrong in his first 20.

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    Puyol - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU0M9IY18Yc


    Do the two centre-backs at Barcelona not know how to defend either?


    That's a weak point he was just giving two examples and you've focused on the own goal he hasn't said Johnson is a bad defender because he scored that own goal against Arsenal.

    He's using it as an example as to why he thinks Kelly is better than Johnson. He then went onto say that Kelly hasn't scored an own goal like Glen has because 'Kelly knows how to defend'.



    He thinks Kelly is the better defender because he thinks Kelly doesn't make big mistakes like that not specifically because he's scored an own goal.
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    Henderson to score. shifty
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    Post by El Jefe Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:55 am

    Gerrard as RB in Champions League Final > Both of them
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    Post by Phadunkin Donuts Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:56 am

    e-peen is so important.

    shit thread
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    Post by Mustangt125 Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:21 am

    I like them both.

    Kelly seems to have more drive, but Glen is our only black player.
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    Post by Guest Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:21 am

    Mustangt125 wrote:I like them both.

    Kelly seems to have more drive, but Glen is our only black player.
    We will be considered racist if we don't play him.
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    Post by Marvin Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:26 am

    Calling it now, we make Liverpool look average and then Suarez turns it on and fucks us up like some League 2 team.
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    Post by arsenalap11 Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:27 am

    You recon Davies will get a goal or assist? Liverpool vs Bolton | Saturday | 5:30pm | Sky Sports 2. - Page 3 279869
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    Post by Phadunkin Donuts Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:28 am

    Nah. Just a Yellow Card of rage.
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    Post by Scouser_Dave Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:34 am

    This guy will score tomorrow

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    He always has a good game against us if I remember correctly Neutral
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    Post by Marvin Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:35 am

    arsenalap11 wrote:You recon Davies will get a goal or assist? Liverpool vs Bolton | Saturday | 5:30pm | Sky Sports 2. - Page 3 279869
    Unlikely he will score, Liverpool aren't that shit.

    Should get an assist though.
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    Bolton will win 3-0.

    Kevin Davies hattrick.
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    justaddfinesse wrote:e-peen is so important.

    shit thread

    Are you retarded?
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    Scouser_Dave wrote:This guy will score tomorrow

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    He always has a good game against us if I remember correctly Neutral
    Yeah he usually does well against us. We'll still win though.
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    Marvin wrote:Calling it now, we make Liverpool look average and then Suarez turns it on and fucks us up like some League 2 team.
    Suarez = bounce
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    Post by Phadunkin Donuts Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:19 am

    Dan wrote:
    justaddfinesse wrote:e-peen is so important.

    shit thread

    Are you retarded?

    You try too hard.
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    Post by Guest Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:29 am

    justaddfinesse wrote:
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    justaddfinesse wrote:e-peen is so important.

    shit thread

    Are you retarded?

    You try too hard.

    'e-peen'? What the hell is that?
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    Post by Clark Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:59 am

    Will be a very good game, a little like Man City v Bolton.

    2-0 Liverpool.
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    Post by Jaetinh Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:00 am

    Squad list for Liverpool?
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    Post by Demba Ba Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:07 am

    Liverpool should win this one. Bolton will give them a good game, but Liverpool should still come out on top. I think they will win 2-0.

    One of the key factors will be how the defenders deal with the big striker on each team. If Bolton can handle Carroll, but Liverpool struggle to handle Davies, then Bolton may have a small chance of nicking something from the game.

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