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    Is suicide for the weak minded?

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    Yes or No?

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    Post by GK01 Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:23 am

    Lux wrote:Well, you say that.....but some people with mental illnesses don't know better, and just live their life happy like a kid.

    I know someone like that, he tried his best to live a normal life, he was tortured mentally as well, and I know that, because I saw the effects on him Laughing
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    Post by Jess Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:30 am

    You can't be weak minded to turn a gun on yourself/jump off a bridge/tie a noose round your neck etc etc etc

    Suicide is a last resort, when you feel like there's nothing left - definately not a weak decision.
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:44 am

    Cam wrote:What, you've been in a loonie bin?

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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:52 am

    I just imagined him in a dressing gown drooling shifty Hope he's alright now though. shifty
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    Post by Childish Logic Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:57 am

    Lux wrote:Depends on the reason.

    If it's because of depression then yes.

    If you're in some weird scenario where you're saving lives, or you are going to get some disease like Alzheimer's....full paralysis etc....then yeah I wouldn't really blame someone for that.

    This basically but saving lives and you ending up dying isn't really suicide in my eyes.
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    Post by SBSP Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:30 am

    Yes.
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    Post by Roloman4 Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:46 pm

    SBSP wrote:Yes.

    Why do you say this?
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    Post by Childish Logic Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:56 pm

    Roloman4 wrote:
    SBSP wrote:Yes.

    Why do you say this?
    because he does think sucide weak minded??
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    Post by Roloman4 Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:30 pm

    NZG wrote:
    Roloman4 wrote:
    SBSP wrote:Yes.

    Why do you say this?
    because he does think sucide weak minded??
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    Pardon me for being interested in the reason for this.
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:31 pm

    Roloman4 wrote:
    SBSP wrote:Yes.

    Why do you say this?

    Because God says it is bad. Why else Rolo?
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    Post by Guest Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:12 pm

    Generally, I look down on people who commit suicide. There are instances though that I can understand the reasons for committing suicide.
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    Post by Demoz Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:10 pm

    People always have their own reasons for committing suicide. You must really be in bad shape to attempt suicide.

    The one's however i look down on, are the ones who commit suicide for being bullied or something like that. Now that is weak minded.

    It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
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    Post by Lux Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:36 pm

    NZG wrote:
    Lux wrote:Depends on the reason.

    If it's because of depression then yes.

    If you're in some weird scenario where you're saving lives, or you are going to get some disease like Alzheimer's....full paralysis etc....then yeah I wouldn't really blame someone for that.

    This basically but saving lives and you ending up dying isn't really suicide in my eyes.

    Yeah, I meant some weird unrealistic thing where if you kill yourself, you save your family or something Laughing
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    Post by mac Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:53 am

    There should be a neither option as I don't really agree with either description completely.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:53 am

    mac wrote:There should be a neither option as I don't really agree with either description completely.

    What, you don't agree with yes or no?
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    Post by mac Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:06 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    mac wrote:There should be a neither option as I don't really agree with either description completely.

    What, you don't agree with yes or no?

    Yes, I'm kind of on the fence about it. I can see a person being "weak-minded" for choosing it in the way the majority sees it but I can see someone with a strong mind, confidence, complete control of themselves, etc. contemplating it and going through with the act as well.

    So, as I see it, it could be for the "weak-minded" and possibly for someone on the opposite spectrum (ie strong-minded) as well.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:14 am

    mac wrote:
    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    mac wrote:There should be a neither option as I don't really agree with either description completely.

    What, you don't agree with yes or no?

    Yes, I'm kind of on the fence about it. I can see a person being "weak-minded" for choosing it in the way the majority sees it but I can see someone with a strong mind, confidence, complete control of themselves, etc. contemplating it and going through with the act as well.

    So, as I see it, it could be for the "weak-minded" and possibly for someone on the opposite spectrum (ie strong-minded) as well.

    Surely it's a no then? 'Suicide is for the weak minded' is a positive, exclusive statement, if you think strong minded people would also commit suicide then it has to be a no.
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    Post by mac Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:24 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    Surely it's a no then? 'Suicide is for the weak minded' is a positive, exclusive statement, if you think strong minded people would also commit suicide then it has to be a no.

    That's now I interpret my own beliefs. I do not firmly want to say yes or no. Again, I do believe a "weak-minded" person can commit suicide so I could click yes but I also believe a "strong-minded" person can commit suicide. So, I don't believe the statement is exclusive with a "yes or no" answer even though you interpret it as such.

    Although, I understand exclusive-or explicit statements state, one or the other, but not neither nor both, I feel this statement isn't completely exclusive even though many might see it as such.

    To be honest, I just don't like limiting myself to "yes or no" answers when it comes to questions like this.



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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:54 am

    So you don't take the question to be essentially "is it only weak people who commit suicide"? Because I don't think anyone disputes that SOME weak minded people commit suicide.
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    Post by Lux Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:33 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:So you don't take the question to be essentially "is it only weak people who commit suicide"? Because I don't think anyone disputes that SOME weak minded people commit suicide.

    Obviously you've not been reading anyone's posts then until now.

    Pretty much 95%+ people (including myself) have not said that everyone who commits suicide is weak.
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    Post by Demba Ba Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:49 am

    Overall, I would say yes, but there is a lot more to it. Most people wouldn't be thinking straight at the time.
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    Post by mac Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:33 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:So you don't take the question to be essentially "is it only weak people who commit suicide"? Because I don't think anyone disputes that SOME weak minded people commit suicide.

    I guess that's a way to explain my views on the question at hand.

    Anyways, in my view, suicide and the motives/philosophy behind it for it are far too complicated to be discussed on a football forum like this. I've had discussions in my university philosophy class on it and the debate went into depth with some people even referencing philosophers, writers, etc.

    Might as well say, I rather not waste my time getting into a deep discussion about it on here. Especially, because I'm not as active as some of the other members. Laughing
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    Post by Guest Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:47 pm

    Whether to kill yourself or not is one of the most important decisions a teenager can make.
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    Post by ricky//habana Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:45 am

    RobbieSavageIsA... wrote:Whether to kill yourself or not is one of the most important decisions a teenager can make.

    You can make that decision at many points of your life. It's THE most important decision anyone can make, luckily it's usually not a difficult decision.
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    Post by Guest Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:08 am

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    Post by Guest Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:39 am

    Sucide is mans way of saying "no god I'm not fired I quit"

    Can't remember who said it
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    Post by Guest Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:47 am

    Suicide is like telling God that you quit from your first job out of college and you will never work again in your life.

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