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    Is Silva the best midfielder in the league?

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    Post by Sean Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:05 am

    Jamie wrote:
    Sean wrote:
    Jamie wrote:
    kyro7 wrote:
    Jamie wrote:Essien and van der Vaart?

    Fuck. That. T. B. H.
    Put your top 5.

    Silva, Modric, Nasri, De Jong, no one else top quality

    Its top 5 midfielders though, not name 5 midfielders who are top quality...

    5th would be...errr someone overhyped like Touré and Wilshere, neither particularly great.

    Basically if I was someone who championed the Premier League I'd be saying here is our best midfielder, naming the top 5 embarrasses the league(this isn't directed at you by the way)

    Yea premier league is one of the worst leagues for midfielders tbh.
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:07 am

    VivaRonaldo wrote:
    Fonseca wrote:
    VivaRonaldo wrote: :wall2:

    Thats my fuckin point. De Jong has qualities Silva doesnt, Silva has qualities De Jong doesnt. Therefore the question should be "is Silva the best attacking midfielder in the league". If you cant understand what Im saying just forget about...

    and if you dont understand the meaning of the word exactly above then it proves my point all along, you are dumb.

    Fonseca wrote:I said the difference in class is so great that you can easily identify who's better.

    No I understood, you just forgot how to read when I stated this ages ago

    Ok, so how are you distinguishing this difference in class when they both have completely different attributes.

    It's so fucking clear, would you still be saying this if I said Iniesta compared to De Jong?

    Silva over De Jong
    Better touch
    Better passing
    Better vision
    Better shooting
    Better dribbling
    Better tech

    De Jong over Silva
    Better tackling
    Better heading

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    Post by Lux Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:13 am

    VivaRonaldo wrote:Ok, so how are you distinguishing this difference in class when they both have completely different attributes.

    They don't have completely different attributes. You speak like they're different species.

    Both play in the same area of the pitch, both are human beings who kick the ball around.

    Think of everything they do.........they both pass, they both run, try to craft attacks and be creative, make tackles, position defensively and offensively, head the ball, jumping, stamina, agility, dribbling, first touch, crossing, long passing.....

    One might be better than the other at certain things, but the fact is that both will be involved in the same tasks throughout a 90 minute football match. The question is who do you think is the more complete midfielder? What we're saying is Silva.
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    Post by Demba Ba Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:14 am

    It's kind of hard to compare these players. Silva could be classed as a midfielder, but he plays on the wing and often doesn't really have a proper midfield role. How can I compare someone like Silva, to someone like Modric? Both would be in contention for being best midfielder, but they play completely different roles within that midfield.
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    Post by VivaRonaldoLAD Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:15 am

    Lux wrote:
    VivaRonaldo wrote:Ok, so how are you distinguishing this difference in class when they both have completely different attributes.

    They don't have completely different attributes. You speak like they're different species.

    Both play in the same area of the pitch, both are human beings who kick the ball around.

    Think of everything they do.........they both pass, they both run, try to craft attacks and be creative, make tackles, position defensively and offensively, head the ball, jumping, stamina, agility, dribbling, first touch, crossing, long passing.....

    One might be better than the other at certain things, but the fact is that both will be involved in the same tasks throughout a 90 minute football match. The question is who do you think is the more complete midfielder? What we're saying is Silva.

    Fair enough. I still think I made a fairly valid point though, because all the thread said was "is he the best midfielder"
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    Post by VivaRonaldoLAD Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:15 am

    cheesy wrote:It's kind of hard to compare these players. Silva could be classed as a midfielder, but he plays on the wing and often doesn't really have a proper midfield role. How can I compare someone like Silva, to someone like Modric? Both would be in contention for being best midfielder, but they play completely different roles within that midfield.

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    Post by Demba Ba Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:16 am

    VivaRonaldo wrote:
    cheesy wrote:It's kind of hard to compare these players. Silva could be classed as a midfielder, but he plays on the wing and often doesn't really have a proper midfield role. How can I compare someone like Silva, to someone like Modric? Both would be in contention for being best midfielder, but they play completely different roles within that midfield.

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    You've changed your tune.Laughing
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    Post by Carlos Jenkinson Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:16 am

    +1 Fonseca
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    Post by Marvin Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:17 am

    cheesy wrote:It's kind of hard to compare these players. Silva could be classed as a midfielder, but he plays on the wing and often doesn't really have a proper midfield role. How can I compare someone like Silva, to someone like Modric? Both would be in contention for being best midfielder, but they play completely different roles within that midfield.
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    Post by VivaRonaldoLAD Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:17 am

    cheesy wrote:
    VivaRonaldo wrote:
    cheesy wrote:It's kind of hard to compare these players. Silva could be classed as a midfielder, but he plays on the wing and often doesn't really have a proper midfield role. How can I compare someone like Silva, to someone like Modric? Both would be in contention for being best midfielder, but they play completely different roles within that midfield.

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    You've changed your tune.Laughing

    You said what I've been saying all along and got abused for.
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    Post by Demba Ba Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:18 am

    Marvin wrote:
    cheesy wrote:It's kind of hard to compare these players. Silva could be classed as a midfielder, but he plays on the wing and often doesn't really have a proper midfield role. How can I compare someone like Silva, to someone like Modric? Both would be in contention for being best midfielder, but they play completely different roles within that midfield.
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    Post by Marvin Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:21 am

    cheesy wrote:
    Marvin wrote:
    cheesy wrote:It's kind of hard to compare these players. Silva could be classed as a midfielder, but he plays on the wing and often doesn't really have a proper midfield role. How can I compare someone like Silva, to someone like Modric? Both would be in contention for being best midfielder, but they play completely different roles within that midfield.
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    scratch
    Just came in and basically summarised the whole thread so far, adding nothing of value.
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    Post by Demba Ba Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:23 am

    Marvin wrote:
    cheesy wrote:
    Marvin wrote:
    cheesy wrote:It's kind of hard to compare these players. Silva could be classed as a midfielder, but he plays on the wing and often doesn't really have a proper midfield role. How can I compare someone like Silva, to someone like Modric? Both would be in contention for being best midfielder, but they play completely different roles within that midfield.
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    scratch
    Just came in and basically summarised the whole thread so far, adding nothing of value.

    I'm sure there are plenty of comments like that, so why pick out mine and add something else that wasn't of value?
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    Post by Lux Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:24 am

    Cheesy, Silva doesn't even play on the wing Stop

    He has a free role around midfield linking passes.....but quite rarely would he actually go out to the wings.
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    Post by VivaRonaldoLAD Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:25 am

    Cheesy is more literate than me, so maybe he can help you understand what I'm trying to say Laughing
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    Post by Lux Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:28 am

    How can someone say that Modric and Silva play completely different roles?......
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    Post by dena Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:29 am

    Sean wrote:
    Jamie wrote:
    Sean wrote:
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    kyro7 wrote:Put your top 5.

    Silva, Modric, Nasri, De Jong, no one else top quality

    Its top 5 midfielders though, not name 5 midfielders who are top quality...

    5th would be...errr someone overhyped like Touré and Wilshere, neither particularly great.

    Basically if I was someone who championed the Premier League I'd be saying here is our best midfielder, naming the top 5 embarrasses the league(this isn't directed at you by the way)

    Yea premier league is one of the worst leagues for midfielders tbh.

    Not really.

    The PL is only second to Spain really. Germany has great midfielders of course in Bastian, Gotze, Kagawa etc. France has Gourcuff, Pastore, Marvin Martin, etc. Italy Sneijder, Cambiasso, de Rossi etc. but it's hard to name top 5's for those leagues too.
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    Post by Marvin Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:30 am

    cheesy wrote:
    Marvin wrote:
    cheesy wrote:
    Marvin wrote:
    cheesy wrote:It's kind of hard to compare these players. Silva could be classed as a midfielder, but he plays on the wing and often doesn't really have a proper midfield role. How can I compare someone like Silva, to someone like Modric? Both would be in contention for being best midfielder, but they play completely different roles within that midfield.
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    scratch
    Just came in and basically summarised the whole thread so far, adding nothing of value.

    I'm sure there are plenty of comments like that, so why pick out mine and add something else that wasn't of value?
    Because you always do it.
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    Post by VivaRonaldoLAD Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:30 am

    Lux wrote:How can someone say that Modric and Silva play completely different roles?......

    not completely, but I wouldnt say they play the same role.
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    Post by Guest Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:42 am

    kyro7 wrote:Xavi, Fabregas, Iniesta, Thiago, Busquets, Mascherano.

    More quality in one club than in a league. silent

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    Post by Guest Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:43 am

    Lux wrote:Cheesy, Silva doesn't even play on the wing Stop

    He has a free role around midfield linking passes.....but quite rarely would he actually go out to the wings.

    he did play wide for valencia in his early days and at times for spain
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    Post by YukiAbe1996 Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:47 am

    Not best but top 5.
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    Post by Lux Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:47 am

    ViVaRooney wrote:
    Lux wrote:Cheesy, Silva doesn't even play on the wing Stop

    He has a free role around midfield linking passes.....but quite rarely would he actually go out to the wings.

    he did play wide for valencia in his early days and at times for spain

    Yeah, though to be fair for Spain he hardly had a choice.

    The fact that he can play across the midfield is only a bonus, I wouldn't say he's restricted to playing wide because these days he rarely does. With players like Adam Johnson you don't need to.
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    Post by Dr. Ján Ĩtor Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:30 am

    How many DM's are better than de jong? could probably argue Masch/Busquets and not many others, maybe Cambiasso, Alonso/Schweinsteiger arent really DM's so yeah. How many AM's are better than Silva? Cesc, Xavi, Iniesta, Ozil, Sneijder, so you could use that to say de jong is a better DM than Silva is AM. on the other hand though, I think the gap of quality between AM's is bigger than that of DM's, like I think you could replace de jong with palacios and it wouldnt hurt city THAT much, wheras replacing silva with kranjcar would be much more hurtful. i dunno........
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    Post by arsenalap11 Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:33 am

    XxBradKennedyxX wrote:How many DM's are better than de jong? could probably argue Masch/Busquets and not many others, maybe Cambiasso, Alonso/Schweinsteiger arent really DM's so yeah. How many AM's are better than Silva? Cesc, Xavi, Iniesta, Ozil, Sneijder, so you could use that to say de jong is a better DM than Silva is AM. on the other hand though, I think the gap of quality between AM's is bigger than that of DM's, like I think you could replace de jong with palacios and it wouldnt hurt city THAT much, wheras replacing silva with kranjcar would be much more hurtful. i dunno........

    De Rossi > De Jong
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    Post by Demba Ba Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:21 am

    Lux wrote:Cheesy, Silva doesn't even play on the wing Is Silva the best midfielder in the league? - Page 5 933328

    He has a free role around midfield linking passes.....but quite rarely would he actually go out to the wings.

    He has still played on the wing many times though. He often drifts into a role that is more central, but I still wouldn't compare it to the deeper role which Modric occupies. Even when Silva is in the centre, both are still very different players.

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