Official Arsenal FC Thread

Sean wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Sean wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

wellz wrote:

I like taking digs at Arsenal as much as the next guy but your an idiot.

Arsenal were held hostage by a whiny little spanish cunt who forced a move to a club that couldn't even afford him. Cesc willingly made that deal. Had he been willing to go to another club Arsenal probably would have gotten £40-45m for him a month ago. Shit they clearly valued Sanchez over him

I'm no idiot, I am exceptional.

You talk about holding people hostage, here's what I think of when I think of a hostage situation. I think of a person or organisation holding someone against their will, preventing them from going home to be with who they love, because they want something. That is exactly what Arsenal did to Fabregas, they held him at Arsenal against his will for years, and demanded what they call a transfer fee, what I call a ransom, to let him go home.

Tbf United did the same.

Ronaldo didn't want to go home, he wanted to make a career move, there's a massive difference.

Madrid were his boyhood club though, where they not?

No, that is a myth, Benfica were his boyhood club.

Sean wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

wellz wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Seen Arsenal fans moaning that Barcelona have only paid £25.4m for him, the audacity of these cunts is unbelievable. They took a player from Barcelona for nothing, they got his services for EIGHT years and he ended up a fantastic player, and they managed to screw at least £25.4m out of Barcelona, and screw poor Fabregas out of €5m over the next 5 years.

Absolutely shameful, I always thought Arsenal was a club with morals.

I like taking digs at Arsenal as much as the next guy but your an idiot.

Arsenal were held hostage by a whiny little spanish cunt who forced a move to a club that couldn't even afford him. Cesc willingly made that deal. Had he been willing to go to another club Arsenal probably would have gotten £40-45m for him a month ago. Shit they clearly valued Sanchez over him

I'm no idiot, I am exceptional.

You talk about holding people hostage, here's what I think of when I think of a hostage situation. I think of a person or organisation holding someone against their will, preventing them from going home to be with who they love, because they want something. That is exactly what Arsenal did to Fabregas, they held him at Arsenal against his will for years, and demanded what they call a transfer fee, what I call a ransom, to let him go home.

Tbf United did the same.

Na, we put a gun to his head.. Restricted him from seeing his family in Barcelona and his girlfriend... Told him his sister couldn't stay with him.. Reported the Barcelona players for tapping him up and then told him he wasn't allowed contact with anyone from Barcelona

We're a horrible club

'I'm so happy to be here. I have made my childhood dream a reality - signing for Real Madrid

Still pretty similar to the Fabregas deal to me.

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wellz wrote:

I'm no idiot, I am exceptional.


You talk about holding people hostage, here's what I think of when I think of a hostage situation. I think of a person or organisation holding someone against their will, preventing them from going home to be with who they love, because they want something. That is exactly what Arsenal did to Fabregas, they held him at Arsenal against his will for years, and demanded what they call a transfer fee, what I call a ransom, to let him go home.

Cesc Fabregas was under contract to play football for Arsenal FC, he is a valued Footballer world wide. One that many consider to be one of the best in the world in his position. Yet Arsenal had To sell him at a cut price to go to his hometown club because he refused to go anywhere else or even accept the option to stay at the club that gave him his chance and even gave him the arm band he didn't deserve.


You think if Rooney wanted to go back to Everon, that United should sell him for 25m because that's what they bought him for? It is his hometown club.

Your argument in no way shows any knowledge of professional sports contracts or even a hint of you comprehending that these teams whether you want them to be or not are business'.

do you think Arsenal were asking too much for cesc? or they should have released him and let him go for free? what is your fucking point? besides being offensive and trolling

Rooney was bought for big money, Cesc was stolen using a loophole.

Please try again.

So Arsenal should have sold him for nothing?

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this one?

Sean wrote:

'I'm so happy to be here. I have made my childhood dream a reality - signing for Real Madrid

Still pretty similar to the Fabregas deal to me.

We spent a shitload of money on Ronaldo in the first place, Arsenal nicked him for a nominal transfer fee by exploiting the law.

wellz wrote:You think if Rooney wanted to go back to Everon, that United should sell him for 25m because that's what they bought him for? It is his hometown club.

Your argument in no way shows any knowledge of professional sports contracts or even a hint of you comprehending that these teams whether you want them to be or not are business'.

do you think Arsenal were asking too much for cesc? or they should have released him and let him go for free? what is your fucking point? besides being offensive and trolling

Yes, I do, if Rooney wants to leave United he should be entitled to do that, it's a human right

From the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.

My point is that Arsenal should have let him go back to Barcelona for free, not screw money out of Barcelona.

Jamie wrote:Rooney was bought for big money, Cesc was stolen using a loophole.

Please try again.

With or without a professional contract Cesc has the option of saying no.

Fonseca wrote:

Jamie wrote:Rooney was bought for big money, Cesc was stolen using a loophole.

Please try again.

With or without a professional contract Cesc has the option of saying no.

But Barcelona don't.

Fonseca wrote:

Jamie wrote:Rooney was bought for big money, Cesc was stolen using a loophole.

Please try again.

With or without a professional contract Cesc has the option of saying no.

I know, I don't think it's fair that an English club has an advantage over a Spanish club when it comes to Spanish youngsters though.

WHY WOULD THEY LET A PLAYER UNDER CONTRACT GO TO A CLUB FOR FREE? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR FUCKING MIND? get a clue please

Exactly Jamie, how would Arsenal like it if Guardiola sauntered up to Jack Wilshere and offered him a spot in Barcelona's B team, offered him far more money than Arsenal could, and paid Arsenal less than £1m in compensation? That's exactly what Arsenal did.

wellz wrote:WHY WOULD THEY LET A PLAYER UNDER CONTRACT GO TO A CLUB FOR FREE? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR FUCKING MIND? get a clue please

Out of respect to him and to Barcelona.

Gegilworld93 wrote:

The Bat-Man wrote:

Costa Kaimakkami Thanks for all the birthday wishes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i hope my dreams dont come true as I have some pretty wierd ones......

My form tutor is a legend.

this one?

Aye.

Legend.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:From the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.

My point is that Arsenal should have let him go back to Barcelona for free, not screw money out of Barcelona.

Cesc had the choice of employment and he chose to play for Arsenal FC where he signed a contract in which he agreed to play for Arsenal

Pillock

Well that's not how it works I'm sorry. Teams don't just give players they have under contract away. Unfortunately your continent has no salary caps and horrible contract stipulations to professional athletes and this is how the cookie crumbles

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Jamie wrote:Rooney was bought for big money, Cesc was stolen using a loophole.

Please try again.

With or without a professional contract Cesc has the option of saying no.

But Barcelona don't.

What happened to a free choice of employment?

Fonseca wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:From the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.

My point is that Arsenal should have let him go back to Barcelona for free, not screw money out of Barcelona.

Cesc had the choice of employment and he chose to play for Arsenal FC where he signed a contract in which he agreed to play for Arsenal

Pillock

Do not call me a pillock. I am not a pillock.

The implication of the declaration is that the choice of employment should be constant, otherwise it would be easily exploitable, if the choice was one that could only be made once over a particular period of time, ie. by signing a new contract for 5 years, then an employer could treat his staff like shit for the next 5 years while still maintaining their human rights, low pay, refuse them the chance to take better opportunities, if your employer tried to do this to you I'm pretty sure you'd have a problem with it.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Exactly Jamie, how would Arsenal like it if Guardiola sauntered up to Jack Wilshere and offered him a spot in Barcelona's B team, offered him far more money than Arsenal could, and paid Arsenal less than £1m in compensation? That's exactly what Arsenal did.

Barcelona tried to take Afobe and Aneke but they CHOSE to stay. Arsenal would have only received compensation if they did decide to go.

Fonseca wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Jamie wrote:Rooney was bought for big money, Cesc was stolen using a loophole.

Please try again.

With or without a professional contract Cesc has the option of saying no.

But Barcelona don't.

What happened to a free choice of employment?

What should have happened is this

Arsenal offer Fabregas a contract when Barcelona can't, he has the free choice to leave Barcelona and go to Arsenal
If want him, they offer him a contract for their team, if he prefers it, he has the free choice to leave Arsenal and go back to Barcelona. Arsenal should be free to offer him another contract, to match or better Barcelona's terms, but they shouldn't be allowed to force him to stay against his will.

Barcelona screwed cesc out of the money he deserves and the prestige he deserved from a high transfer fee

wellz wrote:Barcelona screwed cesc out of the money he deserves and the prestige he deserved from a high transfer fee

Barcelona haven't screwed Fabregas out of anything.

Mal wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Exactly Jamie, how would Arsenal like it if Guardiola sauntered up to Jack Wilshere and offered him a spot in Barcelona's B team, offered him far more money than Arsenal could, and paid Arsenal less than £1m in compensation? That's exactly what Arsenal did.

Barcelona tried to take Afobe and Aneke but they CHOSE to stay. Arsenal would have only received compensation if they did decide to go.

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ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:From the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.

My point is that Arsenal should have let him go back to Barcelona for free, not screw money out of Barcelona.

Cesc had the choice of employment and he chose to play for Arsenal FC where he signed a contract in which he agreed to play for Arsenal

Pillock

Do not call me a pillock. I am not a pillock.

The implication of the declaration is that the choice of employment should be constant, otherwise it would be easily exploitable, if the choice was one that could only be made once over a particular period of time, ie. by signing a new contract for 5 years, then an employer could treat his staff like shit for the next 5 years while still maintaining their human rights, low pay, refuse them the chance to take better opportunities, if your employer tried to do this to you I'm pretty sure you'd have a problem with it.

That's nice information... but what does that have to do with Cesc? Oh yeah he extended his stay (contract) at Arsenal because he hated it

Please do go on

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Jamie wrote:Rooney was bought for big money, Cesc was stolen using a loophole.

Please try again.

With or without a professional contract Cesc has the option of saying no.

But Barcelona don't.

What happened to a free choice of employment?

What should have happened is this

Arsenal offer Fabregas a contract when Barcelona can't, he has the free choice to leave Barcelona and go to Arsenal
If want him, they offer him a contract for their team, if he prefers it, he has the free choice to leave Arsenal and go back to Barcelona. Arsenal should be free to offer him another contract, to match or better Barcelona's terms, but they shouldn't be allowed to force him to stay against his will.

It is not all about money, terms of contract, you must also think about the change in position offered to the employee years ago, like offering a part time journalist who gets 1 article published a year a full time job, Arsenal made it full time, they played him, meaning even if you get offered to work for The Sun You show loyalty to the paper that made you, even if wanting to go. Just saying.

Why do you guys keep comparing jobs in which you don't sign a contract to being a professional Footballer under contract?

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Jamie wrote:Rooney was bought for big money, Cesc was stolen using a loophole.

Please try again.

With or without a professional contract Cesc has the option of saying no.

But Barcelona don't.

What happened to a free choice of employment?

What should have happened is this

Arsenal offer Fabregas a contract when Barcelona can't, he has the free choice to leave Barcelona and go to Arsenal
If want him, they offer him a contract for their team, if he prefers it, he has the free choice to leave Arsenal and go back to Barcelona. Arsenal should be free to offer him another contract, to match or better Barcelona's terms, but they shouldn't be allowed to force him to stay against his will.

The point of the contract is to keep the person employed for the time you specifiy under guidelines, why should we have a contract in the first place then? He had the choice to let it run and happily join Barcelona with his choice except he extended his stay at Arsenal

Please do go on once more

wellz wrote:Why do you guys keep comparing jobs in which you don't sign a contract to being a professional Footballer under contract?

Not that it's of any relevance but certain non high profiled jobs ask you to sign a contract

Fonseca wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:From the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.

My point is that Arsenal should have let him go back to Barcelona for free, not screw money out of Barcelona.

Cesc had the choice of employment and he chose to play for Arsenal FC where he signed a contract in which he agreed to play for Arsenal

Pillock

Do not call me a pillock. I am not a pillock.

The implication of the declaration is that the choice of employment should be constant, otherwise it would be easily exploitable, if the choice was one that could only be made once over a particular period of time, ie. by signing a new contract for 5 years, then an employer could treat his staff like shit for the next 5 years while still maintaining their human rights, low pay, refuse them the chance to take better opportunities, if your employer tried to do this to you I'm pretty sure you'd have a problem with it.

That's nice information... but what does that have to do with Cesc? Oh yeah he extended his stay (contract) at Arsenal because he hated it

Please do go on

I don't think he hated it at Arsenal, I think he preferred it at Barcelona, that's why he's paying Arsenal €5m to get out.

ClarkY wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

With or without a professional contract Cesc has the option of saying no.

But Barcelona don't.

What happened to a free choice of employment?

What should have happened is this

Arsenal offer Fabregas a contract when Barcelona can't, he has the free choice to leave Barcelona and go to Arsenal
If want him, they offer him a contract for their team, if he prefers it, he has the free choice to leave Arsenal and go back to Barcelona. Arsenal should be free to offer him another contract, to match or better Barcelona's terms, but they shouldn't be allowed to force him to stay against his will.

It is not all about money, terms of contract, you must also think about the change in position offered to the employee years ago, like offering a part time journalist who gets 1 article published a year a full time job, Arsenal made it full time, they played him, meaning even if you get offered to work for The Sun You show loyalty to the paper that made you, even if wanting to go. Just saying.

If I do start writing articles part time for a famous newspaper, say the Guardian, and then a shit newspaper, lets say the Sun, offers me a full time contract, I'll take it. But if the Guardian come back to me a few years later and say 'Hey RR, we've seen your articles, we really think you've got something, come back and work for us full time', The Sun have no right to turn round and say 'No we are keeping you here unless the Guardian pays us a shitload of money to let you go', that would be terrible, akin to slavery.