benqbiggis wrote:ahlycotc wrote:Messi.
Ronaldinho and Luiz Ronaldo should have been on there though. They are at the same level of Cristiano Ronaldo.
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ResurrectionRooney wrote:I think that just proves how much better Messi is, he's playing as a playmaker and he still racks up more goals than Henry does as a striker. When Henry played in the Premier League is wasn't at it's best, in fact it was probably a weaker League then than the Liga BBVA is today. Every team feared Ronaldo once he took his great leap forward in 2006, and if they didn't they regretted it, he scored 40 goals in England when the League was the strongest it's ever been, and he scored 50 goals in Spain, Henry never did either of those things despite playing in both countries.
If everyone feared Henry so much how come he never won the Ballon d'Or or the FIFA World Player of the Year awards?
Actually it doesn't prove anything. I just shows Barcelona's dependence on him to do so. Also Messi is all over the field where as Henry NEVER created from the center line in. Barcelona rely on Messi to score goals a hell of a lot more than Arsenal relied on Henry to score goals. Since 2008/9 Barcelona's reliance on Messi to score has increased more and more each season from 22%, to 34.6%, to 32.6%. Basically if he doesn't score they don't win. His assist totals should not surprise anyone considering that he is a play maker and even playing in a more centralized role this season still possessed the ball more than Henry ever did at Arsenal. Henry on the other hand put up play maker type assist totals playing in only the box area AND as a striker none-the-less, that is pure class and a hell of a lot more impressive than a play maker racking up assists. While at Arsenal Henry scored 30.3%, down to 28.2%, up to 41%, down to 28.7%, up to 39.7% over his most productive league seasons, but again he is a STRIKER, not a midfielder so that is his job. The fact that Messi can score goals as a midfielder doesn't prove he is that much better, it just proves that he gets the ball basically anytime they attack and they need him to score.
As for Cristiano he scored more than 20 league goals 1 time and that was the season he scored 31 goals in 2007/08 that is not impressive when you consider he was basically playing as a deep forward or striker during that season. 31 goals is very impressive, but your statement about the league being better is complete bull shit. True Henry played in both countries like Cristiano EXCEPT with one HUGE difference. He never played striker in Barcelona's 4-3-3 AND he was third option to Messi and Eto'o for his first season (which he played hurt all season) and again in his second season yet still managed to score 35 goals in only 80 games. Henry in his prime shits on Cristiano Ronaldo relatively easy.
As for why he never won a Ballon D'Or or Fifa World Player of the Year, I won't get into that because it pisses me off and I had a very long rant about it on the old EA board. In short the old system was a fucking joke and previously FIFA would post PDF files of the way the national team managers and captains voted and on the first occasion when he took 2nd to Ronaldinho there were actually people that voted for Fernando Morientes over Henry which is a fucking joke. It has long been discussed/debated as to why he never won a Ballon D'Or and its a complete joke, but it is what it is.
ResurrectionRooney wrote:Nah, Ronaldo achieved more than him at a time when the Premier League was a lot stronger.
That' is complete bullshit.
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Surely it shows how great Messi is if the best team in the world, if not the greatest of all time, relies on him? Arsenal weren't the best team in the world at the time.AriseForLife wrote:Actually it doesn't prove anything. I just shows Barcelona's dependence on him to do so. Also Messi is all over the field where as Henry NEVER created from the center line in. Barcelona rely on Messi to score goals a hell of a lot more than Arsenal relied on Henry to score goals. Since 2008/9 Barcelona's reliance on Messi to score has increased more and more each season from 22%, to 34.6%, to 32.6%. Basically if he doesn't score they don't win. His assist totals should not surprise anyone considering that he is a play maker and even playing in a more centralized role this season still possessed the ball more than Henry ever did at Arsenal. Henry on the other hand put up play maker type assist totals playing in only the box area AND as a striker none-the-less, that is pure class and a hell of a lot more impressive than a play maker racking up assists. While at Arsenal Henry scored 30.3%, down to 28.2%, up to 41%, down to 28.7%, up to 39.7% over his most productive league seasons, but again he is a STRIKER, not a midfielder so that is his job. The fact that Messi can score goals as a midfielder doesn't prove he is that much better, it just proves that he gets the ball basically anytime they attack and they need him to score.
I agree with this, though.AriseForLife wrote:As for Cristiano he scored more than 20 league goals 1 time and that was the season he scored 31 goals in 2007/08 that is not impressive when you consider he was basically playing as a deep forward or striker during that season. 31 goals is very impressive, but your statement about the league being better is complete bull shit. True Henry played in both countries like Cristiano EXCEPT with one HUGE difference. He never played striker in Barcelona's 4-3-3 AND he was third option to Messi and Eto'o for his first season (which he played hurt all season) and again in his second season yet still managed to score 35 goals in only 80 games. Henry in his prime shits on Cristiano Ronaldo relatively easy.
And this.AriseForLife wrote:As for why he never won a Ballon D'Or or Fifa World Player of the Year, I won't get into that because it pisses me off and I had a very long rant about it on the old EA board. In short the old system was a fucking joke and previously FIFA would post PDF files of the way the national team managers and captains voted and on the first occasion when he took 2nd to Ronaldinho there were actually people that voted for Fernando Morientes over Henry which is a fucking joke. It has long been discussed/debated as to why he never won a Ballon D'Or and its a complete joke, but it is what it is.
And this too.AriseForLife wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:Nah, Ronaldo achieved more than him at a time when the Premier League was a lot stronger.
That' is complete bullshit.
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AriseForLife wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:I think that just proves how much better Messi is, he's playing as a playmaker and he still racks up more goals than Henry does as a striker. When Henry played in the Premier League is wasn't at it's best, in fact it was probably a weaker League then than the Liga BBVA is today. Every team feared Ronaldo once he took his great leap forward in 2006, and if they didn't they regretted it, he scored 40 goals in England when the League was the strongest it's ever been, and he scored 50 goals in Spain, Henry never did either of those things despite playing in both countries.
If everyone feared Henry so much how come he never won the Ballon d'Or or the FIFA World Player of the Year awards?
Actually it doesn't prove anything. I just shows Barcelona's dependence on him to do so. Also Messi is all over the field where as Henry NEVER created from the center line in. Barcelona rely on Messi to score goals a hell of a lot more than Arsenal relied on Henry to score goals. Since 2008/9 Barcelona's reliance on Messi to score has increased more and more each season from 22%, to 34.6%, to 32.6%. Basically if he doesn't score they don't win. His assist totals should not surprise anyone considering that he is a play maker and even playing in a more centralized role this season still possessed the ball more than Henry ever did at Arsenal. Henry on the other hand put up play maker type assist totals playing in only the box area AND as a striker none-the-less, that is pure class and a hell of a lot more impressive than a play maker racking up assists. While at Arsenal Henry scored 30.3%, down to 28.2%, up to 41%, down to 28.7%, up to 39.7% over his most productive league seasons, but again he is a STRIKER, not a midfielder so that is his job. The fact that Messi can score goals as a midfielder doesn't prove he is that much better, it just proves that he gets the ball basically anytime they attack and they need him to score.
Do you think if Henry was as good as Messi Wenger wouldn't have had him in a role where he could create just as many goals and scored even more? It's not as though Barca's other strikers go without goals because they're reliant on Messi either, or he always gets the ball, Pedro and Villa both scored more goals on their own last season than Henry's main partner (Dennis Bergkamp) ever did in a season. I'd say Arsenal were at least as reliant on Henry as Barca are on Messi, Messi is just a much better player so he can do more.
Also, I think you are being too simplistic when it comes to player roles, saying he is a STRIKER so we should only judge him on goals, or he is a midfielder so his goals don't matter, that's just bollocks. Messi's role in the Barcelona team is to score goals, the same as Henry's was at Arsenal, and Messi does it much better than what Henry did.
As for Cristiano he scored more than 20 league goals 1 time and that was the season he scored 31 goals in 2007/08 that is not impressive when you consider he was basically playing as a deep forward or striker during that season. 31 goals is very impressive, but your statement about the league being better is complete bull shit. True Henry played in both countries like Cristiano EXCEPT with one HUGE difference. He never played striker in Barcelona's 4-3-3 AND he was third option to Messi and Eto'o for his first season (which he played hurt all season) and again in his second season yet still managed to score 35 goals in only 80 games. Henry in his prime shits on Cristiano Ronaldo relatively easy.
The League was certainly better. When Henry was at it's peak, the League had one Champions League Semi Finalist if it was lucky, when Ronaldo scored 31 goals (In a 4-4-2 with two strikers mind) there were regularly 3 teams in the Champions League Semi Finals, England's coefficient was rapidly climbing to the top of Europe, and the Champions League Final was an all English affair. In that Champions League Final he actually scored a goal rather than bottling several easy chances like one player I could name. He hardly ever played as a striker for United in that season, his role had more defensive responsibilities than what Henry's did, certainly, the numbers speak for themselves on that (4-4-2 Vs. 4-3-3), and this season he has mainly played on the wing and has still broken record for goalscoring that Henry never approached.
Sounds like sour grapes to me. When there are two independent awards and your boy doesn't win either of them maybe it's time to re-evaluate your boy.As for why he never won a Ballon D'Or or Fifa World Player of the Year, I won't get into that because it pisses me off and I had a very long rant about it on the old EA board. In short the old system was a fucking joke and previously FIFA would post PDF files of the way the national team managers and captains voted and on the first occasion when he took 2nd to Ronaldinho there were actually people that voted for Fernando Morientes over Henry which is a fucking joke. It has long been discussed/debated as to why he never won a Ballon D'Or and its a complete joke, but it is what it is.
ResurrectionRooney wrote:Nah, Ronaldo achieved more than him at a time when the Premier League was a lot stronger.
That' is complete bullshit.
See above. The Premier League was an international joke when Henry was dominating it, it was a fucking behemoth when Ronaldo was.
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How can anyone seriously rate Henry higher than Ronaldo?
He's a great player and one of the best players to play in the Premiership but Ronaldo is THE best to have played there.
He's a great player and one of the best players to play in the Premiership but Ronaldo is THE best to have played there.
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Fine Shagger wrote:How can anyone seriously rate Henry higher than Ronaldo?
He's a great player and one of the best players to play in the Premiership but Ronaldo is THE best to have played there.
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Fine Shagger wrote:How can anyone seriously rate Henry higher than Ronaldo?
He's a great player and one of the best players to play in the Premiership but Ronaldo is THE best to have played there.
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Fine Shagger wrote:How can anyone seriously rate Henry higher than Ronaldo?
He's a great player and one of the best players to play in the Premiership but Ronaldo is THE best to have played there.
well said
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They both did amazing things so its down to personal preference. Plus Ronaldo was a fat buck-toothed cunt.Fine Shagger wrote:How can anyone seriously rate Henry higher than Ronaldo?
He's a great player and one of the best players to play in the Premiership but Ronaldo is THE best to have played there.
Lets see him do this..
or this..
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buck toothed? they are talk about cristiano ronaldo, not ronaldo
ronaldo>cristiano ronaldo>henry
ronaldo>cristiano ronaldo>henry
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Cristiano had nowhere near the consistency so its no contest.mauro=beast wrote:buck toothed? they are talk about cristiano ronaldo, not ronaldo
ronaldo>cristiano ronaldo>henry
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Chris wrote:They both did amazing things so its down to personal preference. Plus Ronaldo was a fat buck-toothed cunt.Fine Shagger wrote:How can anyone seriously rate Henry higher than Ronaldo?
He's a great player and one of the best players to play in the Premiership but Ronaldo is THE best to have played there.
Lets see him do this..
or this..
Let's see Henry do this
Or this
(3:40 onwards)
Or this
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Res are you saying Henry couldn't score tap-ins or free-kicks? Especially against Almunia. 
Ronaldo never got 50 in a season for United and you don't know how good a prime Henry would be in spain right now. Henry was worth 156 goals in goals + assists in 3 consecutive seasons, thats as good as any player.
Ronaldo never got 50 in a season for United and you don't know how good a prime Henry would be in spain right now. Henry was worth 156 goals in goals + assists in 3 consecutive seasons, thats as good as any player.
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a prime henry in spain is just hypothetical
stick to the facts
stick to the facts
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Chris wrote:Res are you saying Henry couldn't score tap-ins or free-kicks? Especially against Almunia.
Ronaldo never got 50 in a season for United and you don't know how good a prime Henry would be in spain right now. Henry was worth 156 goals in goals + assists in 3 consecutive seasons, thats as good as any player.
I was talking about the goals from over 40 yards (I don't call them tap-ins), and I've never seen Henry score a free kick from that distance.
You're right, he never got 50 in a season for United, but he got more in 2008 than Henry ever did, and he got 11 more than that in the best League in the world two years later. And he's not even a striker.
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Henry was better in the EPL. Ronaldo was better in La Liga.
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You forget how many goals Henry setup aswell? Henry in 02/03 24 goals and 23 assists just in the league.ResurrectionRooney wrote:Chris wrote:Res are you saying Henry couldn't score tap-ins or free-kicks? Especially against Almunia.
Ronaldo never got 50 in a season for United and you don't know how good a prime Henry would be in spain right now. Henry was worth 156 goals in goals + assists in 3 consecutive seasons, thats as good as any player.
I was talking about the goals from over 40 yards (I don't call them tap-ins), and I've never seen Henry score a free kick from that distance.
You're right, he never got 50 in a season for United, but he got more in 2008 than Henry ever did, and he got 11 more than that in the best League in the world two years later. And he's not even a striker.
Did Arise say he never set anything up from deep? He did shit like this all the time.. takes on 3 players then a 30 yard pass which leads to goal. Amazing.
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Chris wrote:Res are you saying Henry couldn't score tap-ins or free-kicks? Especially against Almunia.
Ronaldo never got 50 in a season for United and you don't know how good a prime Henry would be in spain right now. Henry was worth 156 goals in goals + assists in 3 consecutive seasons, thats as good as any player.
Ronaldo has fbeejn worth 142 ijn his last 3.(jnote 1 was ijnury hit) Worth 51 the seasojn fbefbore so pretty shit argumejnt.
Igjnore my fbucked up keyfboard
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Its not a shit argument seeing its better isit? Ronaldo's last season in England V his first in Spain proves the defences are shocking over there.Fine Shagger wrote:Chris wrote:Res are you saying Henry couldn't score tap-ins or free-kicks? Especially against Almunia.
Ronaldo never got 50 in a season for United and you don't know how good a prime Henry would be in spain right now. Henry was worth 156 goals in goals + assists in 3 consecutive seasons, thats as good as any player.
Ronaldo has fbeejn worth 142 ijn his last 3.(jnote 1 was ijnury hit) Worth 51 the seasojn fbefbore so pretty shit argumejnt.
Igjnore my fbucked up keyfboard
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Chris wrote:Its not a shit argument seeing its better isit? Ronaldo's last season in England V his first in Spain proves the defences are shocking over there.Fine Shagger wrote:Chris wrote:Res are you saying Henry couldn't score tap-ins or free-kicks? Especially against Almunia.
Ronaldo never got 50 in a season for United and you don't know how good a prime Henry would be in spain right now. Henry was worth 156 goals in goals + assists in 3 consecutive seasons, thats as good as any player.
Ronaldo has fbeejn worth 142 ijn his last 3.(jnote 1 was ijnury hit) Worth 51 the seasojn fbefbore so pretty shit argumejnt.
Igjnore my fbucked up keyfboard
Why did Torres score more in England?
Ronaldo's last season in England was like Cesc last season. Very good stats but both would've achieved more if not fbor motivation issues.
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Chris wrote:Its not a shit argument seeing its better isit? Ronaldo's last season in England V his first in Spain proves the defences are shocking over there.Fine Shagger wrote:Chris wrote:Res are you saying Henry couldn't score tap-ins or free-kicks? Especially against Almunia.
Ronaldo never got 50 in a season for United and you don't know how good a prime Henry would be in spain right now. Henry was worth 156 goals in goals + assists in 3 consecutive seasons, thats as good as any player.
Ronaldo has fbeejn worth 142 ijn his last 3.(jnote 1 was ijnury hit) Worth 51 the seasojn fbefbore so pretty shit argumejnt.
Igjnore my fbucked up keyfboard
He scored only 7 more goals in his first season at Real Madrid (where he was happy) than when he was at United where he didn't want to be.
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Torres went to a better team and came into his prime.Fine Shagger wrote:Chris wrote:Its not a shit argument seeing its better isit? Ronaldo's last season in England V his first in Spain proves the defences are shocking over there.Fine Shagger wrote:Chris wrote:Res are you saying Henry couldn't score tap-ins or free-kicks? Especially against Almunia.
Ronaldo never got 50 in a season for United and you don't know how good a prime Henry would be in spain right now. Henry was worth 156 goals in goals + assists in 3 consecutive seasons, thats as good as any player.
Ronaldo has fbeejn worth 142 ijn his last 3.(jnote 1 was ijnury hit) Worth 51 the seasojn fbefbore so pretty shit argumejnt.
Igjnore my fbucked up keyfboard
Why did Torres score more in England?
Ronaldo's last season in England was like Cesc last season. Very good stats but both would've achieved more if not fbor motivation issues.
Henry was better than Ronaldo, now shut up Jamie.
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i dont think defences are shit in spain
think from different perspective
ronaldo scored all his goals in his best seasons against peak top 4 team and peak of the epl as best league in world
henry scored most of his goals when the epl was far behind la liga and serie a and against defences that included stars like ben thatcher who wouldnt even be a top flight player by today standards.
henry was not better then ronaldo and is not a surprise that a guy who appears twice on my list is still defending henry. remove his penis from your buttocks please, thanks
think from different perspective
ronaldo scored all his goals in his best seasons against peak top 4 team and peak of the epl as best league in world
henry scored most of his goals when the epl was far behind la liga and serie a and against defences that included stars like ben thatcher who wouldnt even be a top flight player by today standards.
henry was not better then ronaldo and is not a surprise that a guy who appears twice on my list is still defending henry. remove his penis from your buttocks please, thanks
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mauro=beast wrote:i dont think defences are shit in spain
think from different perspective
ronaldo scored all his goals in his best seasons against peak top 4 team and peak of the epl as best league in world
henry scored most of his goals when the epl was far behind la liga and serie a and against defences that included stars like ben thatcher who wouldnt even be a top flight player by today standards.
henry was not better then ronaldo and is not a surprise that a guy who appears twice on my list is still defending henry. remove his penis from your buttocks please, thanks
Nail. On. Head.
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mauro=beast wrote:i dont think defences are shit in spain
think from different perspective
ronaldo scored all his goals in his best seasons against peak top 4 team and peak of the epl as best league in world
henry scored most of his goals when the epl was far behind la liga and serie a and against defences that included stars like ben thatcher who wouldnt even be a top flight player by today standards.
henry was not better then ronaldo and is not a surprise that a guy who appears twice on my list is still defending henry. remove his penis from your buttocks please, thanks
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Why shut up Chris, because I disagree?
