Charlie Adam

Blackpool Rule wrote:

polska. wrote:

Jelavic18|RFC wrote:

polska. wrote:

Jelavic18|RFC wrote:

You're an absolute embarrassment to poland.

Forget about Poland for a minute.

I think Ragners would be worthy relegation favorites in the Championship.

That's how we drew with Man Utd at OT.

Drawing with 11 man in the box isn't exactly great at all.

A Polish club would've had the quality to go out and attack. Though we probably would've lost, it is much less disgraceful. Atleast Lech managed to push for a few results against Man City and Juventus.

like Blackpool

Blackpool Rule wrote:

polska. wrote:

Jelavic18|RFC wrote:

polska. wrote:

Jelavic18|RFC wrote:

You're an absolute embarrassment to poland.

Forget about Poland for a minute.

I think Ragners would be worthy relegation favorites in the Championship.

That's how we drew with Man Utd at OT.

Drawing with 11 man in the box isn't exactly great at all.

A Polish club would've had the quality to go out and attack. Though we probably would've lost, it is much less disgraceful. Atleast Lech managed to push for a few results against Man City and Juventus.

like Blackpool

James wrote:I don't see how going out and attacking to lose 3-0 is better than grinding out a 0-0 draw by playing 10 behind the ball.

James ♠ wrote:I don't see how going out and attacking to lose 3-0 is better than grinding out a 0-0 draw by playing 10 behind the ball.

polska. wrote:

Jelavic18|RFC wrote:

polska. wrote:

Jelavic18|RFC wrote:

polska. wrote:Rangers are shit though.

Better than any polish team.

Wisla, Legia, Lech, Slask, Jagiellonia >>> Rangers.

Rangers are at about Lechia standard, which is probably a compliment.

You're an absolute embarrassment to poland.

Forget about Poland for a minute.

I think Rangers would be worthy relegation favorites in the Championship.

polska. wrote:

James ♠ wrote:I don't see how going out and attacking to lose 3-0 is better than grinding out a 0-0 draw by playing 10 behind the ball.

Put it this way. Firstly assuming this result has no impact on any tables or anything.. Would you rather see Hull camp in the box with 11 men and be attacked by the better opposition ruthlessly for 90 minutes? Or would you rather loose, but atleast see Hull attacking and giving the better opposition trouble, and possibly scoring a goal or two?

Besides, it has little relevancy. The point is that we have enough quality at the side to actually attempt to attack.

luke. wrote:Lech drew with Juventus and Man City by actually playing football though, did they not?

James ♠ wrote:

polska. wrote:

James ♠ wrote:I don't see how going out and attacking to lose 3-0 is better than grinding out a 0-0 draw by playing 10 behind the ball.

Put it this way. Firstly assuming this result has no impact on any tables or anything.. Would you rather see Hull camp in the box with 11 men and be attacked by the better opposition ruthlessly for 90 minutes? Or would you rather loose, but atleast see Hull attacking and giving the better opposition trouble, and possibly scoring a goal or two?

Besides, it has little relevancy. The point is that we have enough quality at the side to actually attempt to attack.

If it wasn't a competitive match then I wouldn't even take the result seriously nevermind care about how we played.

polska. wrote:

James ♠ wrote:

polska. wrote:

James ♠ wrote:I don't see how going out and attacking to lose 3-0 is better than grinding out a 0-0 draw by playing 10 behind the ball.

Put it this way. Firstly assuming this result has no impact on any tables or anything.. Would you rather see Hull camp in the box with 11 men and be attacked by the better opposition ruthlessly for 90 minutes? Or would you rather loose, but atleast see Hull attacking and giving the better opposition trouble, and possibly scoring a goal or two?

Besides, it has little relevancy. The point is that we have enough quality at the side to actually attempt to attack.

If it wasn't a competitive match then I wouldn't even take the result seriously nevermind care about how we played.

Firstly.. For real? I always care how my team plays in friendlies...

Secondly, say it was competitive, but the result wouldn't have changed anything on the table. (Let's say Hull was in Europe and bottom of the group stage and the top two teams already qualified)

luke. wrote:Did you know that Jon Obi Mikel was the only midfielder in the league last year to have a better pass completion rate than Paul Scholes? It wasn't simply because he's playing easy balls back to his centre backs, either; his accuracy in the final third was also higher than the United talisman's. Per data analysis firm Opta, Mikel's pass completion rate for the 09/10 season was an astonishing 89.8%, while he added almost five tackles per game, that figure also significantly above average. He's almost as good in the air as a defender, which is an odd trait for a midfield player, but one that serves to severely boost his value as a midfield shield.

Boom. Mikel > all.

Bogdan wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Aaron wrote:To be fair Liverpool made bid of around £10m for him. Dalglish and Comolli must rate him quite highly.

I'm hoping they've seen the light, we dodged a bullet big time.

Nah, we're selling Aqua and buying him.

Fonseca wrote:

luke. wrote:Did you know that Jon Obi Mikel was the only midfielder in the league last year to have a better pass completion rate than Paul Scholes? It wasn't simply because he's playing easy balls back to his centre backs, either; his accuracy in the final third was also higher than the United talisman's. Per data analysis firm Opta, Mikel's pass completion rate for the 09/10 season was an astonishing 89.8%, while he added almost five tackles per game, that figure also significantly above average. He's almost as good in the air as a defender, which is an odd trait for a midfield player, but one that serves to severely boost his value as a midfield shield.

Boom. Mikel > all.

Denilson had the highest competition rate a couple of seasons ago and he's fucking shit and always has been

If Mikel is such an excellent passer then why isn't he picked infront of Lampard

Bogdan wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Aaron wrote:To be fair Liverpool made bid of around £10m for him. Dalglish and Comolli must rate him quite highly.

I'm hoping they've seen the light, we dodged a bullet big time.

Nah, we're selling Aqua and buying him.

You're selling an extremely technical midfielder for an overrated scotsman? seriously?

luke. wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

luke. wrote:Did you know that Jon Obi Mikel was the only midfielder in the league last year to have a better pass completion rate than Paul Scholes? It wasn't simply because he's playing easy balls back to his centre backs, either; his accuracy in the final third was also higher than the United talisman's. Per data analysis firm Opta, Mikel's pass completion rate for the 09/10 season was an astonishing 89.8%, while he added almost five tackles per game, that figure also significantly above average. He's almost as good in the air as a defender, which is an odd trait for a midfield player, but one that serves to severely boost his value as a midfield shield.

Boom. Mikel > all.

Denilson had the highest competition rate a couple of seasons ago and he's fucking shit and always has been

If Mikel is such an excellent passer then why isn't he picked infront of Lampard

Bogdan wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Aaron wrote:To be fair Liverpool made bid of around £10m for him. Dalglish and Comolli must rate him quite highly.

I'm hoping they've seen the light, we dodged a bullet big time.

Nah, we're selling Aqua and buying him.

You're selling an extremely technical midfielder for an overrated scotsman? seriously?

Lampard and Mikel are completely different players. And it's no coincidence how we weren't as good with Mikel out of the team, then when he's in it, he's our metronome, the one who keeps us ticking, whether he makes a 10 yard pass, or a 50 yard pass. He also has great skill and technical ability.

Fonseca wrote:

luke. wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

luke. wrote:Did you know that Jon Obi Mikel was the only midfielder in the league last year to have a better pass completion rate than Paul Scholes? It wasn't simply because he's playing easy balls back to his centre backs, either; his accuracy in the final third was also higher than the United talisman's. Per data analysis firm Opta, Mikel's pass completion rate for the 09/10 season was an astonishing 89.8%, while he added almost five tackles per game, that figure also significantly above average. He's almost as good in the air as a defender, which is an odd trait for a midfield player, but one that serves to severely boost his value as a midfield shield.

Boom. Mikel > all.

Denilson had the highest competition rate a couple of seasons ago and he's fucking shit and always has been

If Mikel is such an excellent passer then why isn't he picked infront of Lampard

Bogdan wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

I'm hoping they've seen the light, we dodged a bullet big time.

Nah, we're selling Aqua and buying him.

You're selling an extremely technical midfielder for an overrated scotsman? seriously?

Lampard and Mikel are completely different players. And it's no coincidence how we weren't as good with Mikel out of the team, then when he's in it, he's our metronome, the one who keeps us ticking, whether he makes a 10 yard pass, or a 50 yard pass. He also has great skill and technical ability.

But noo Mikel is an excellent passer like you say, why isn't he used as an attacking midfielder where his passing attribute is best

luke. wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

luke. wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

luke. wrote:Did you know that Jon Obi Mikel was the only midfielder in the league last year to have a better pass completion rate than Paul Scholes? It wasn't simply because he's playing easy balls back to his centre backs, either; his accuracy in the final third was also higher than the United talisman's. Per data analysis firm Opta, Mikel's pass completion rate for the 09/10 season was an astonishing 89.8%, while he added almost five tackles per game, that figure also significantly above average. He's almost as good in the air as a defender, which is an odd trait for a midfield player, but one that serves to severely boost his value as a midfield shield.

Boom. Mikel > all.

Denilson had the highest competition rate a couple of seasons ago and he's fucking shit and always has been

If Mikel is such an excellent passer then why isn't he picked infront of Lampard

Bogdan wrote:

Nah, we're selling Aqua and buying him.

You're selling an extremely technical midfielder for an overrated scotsman? seriously?

Lampard and Mikel are completely different players. And it's no coincidence how we weren't as good with Mikel out of the team, then when he's in it, he's our metronome, the one who keeps us ticking, whether he makes a 10 yard pass, or a 50 yard pass. He also has great skill and technical ability.

But noo Mikel is an excellent passer like you say, why isn't he used as an attacking midfielder where his passing attribute is best

When he was young, and before he came to Chelsea, he was actually an attacking midfielder. However, his strength, height, and tackling ability was seen as more suited to playing DM, which it is. Just because he plays DM doesn't mean he can't pass, Xabi Alonso plays DM, can he not pass then?

dena wrote:Mikel actually is pretty crucial to Chelsea's team, he keeps the flow going and his defends well in front of the back four, he's a much better player than Denilson, don't even play around.

Fonseca wrote:

luke. wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

luke. wrote:

Fonseca wrote:

Denilson had the highest competition rate a couple of seasons ago and he's fucking shit and always has been

If Mikel is such an excellent passer then why isn't he picked infront of Lampard




You're selling an extremely technical midfielder for an overrated scotsman? seriously?

Lampard and Mikel are completely different players. And it's no coincidence how we weren't as good with Mikel out of the team, then when he's in it, he's our metronome, the one who keeps us ticking, whether he makes a 10 yard pass, or a 50 yard pass. He also has great skill and technical ability.

But noo Mikel is an excellent passer like you say, why isn't he used as an attacking midfielder where his passing attribute is best

When he was young, and before he came to Chelsea, he was actually an attacking midfielder. However, his strength, height, and tackling ability was seen as more suited to playing DM, which it is. Just because he plays DM doesn't mean he can't pass, Xabi Alonso plays DM, can he not pass then?

Did I say he couldn't pass? he passes the ball to a maximum of 10 yard it so much, don't even try it. If he was so great at passing he'd be used in an advanced midfield position as a more superior Pastore or Kaka

Fine Shagger wrote:

luke. wrote:He's a great passer of the ball, he's just a level above most of his teammates, who can't anticipate the balls he is playing. And at a team like Blackpool, to get the credit he has, isn't easy.

No that's just not true. He has good long range ability but poor short range passing and most importantly has terrible judgement when it comes to choosing the right pass.

The-Reporter wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

luke. wrote:He's a great passer of the ball, he's just a level above most of his teammates, who can't anticipate the balls he is playing. And at a team like Blackpool, to get the credit he has, isn't easy.

No that's just not true. He has good long range ability but poor short range passing and most importantly has terrible judgement when it comes to choosing the right pass.

His short passing is good.. but instead of playing short passes he plays defence cutting ones constantly to create chances. Hence his low pass completion percentage. If he played loads of short passes instead of what he does they wouldn't create half as many chances.

The-Reporter wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

luke. wrote:He's a great passer of the ball, he's just a level above most of his teammates, who can't anticipate the balls he is playing. And at a team like Blackpool, to get the credit he has, isn't easy.

No that's just not true. He has good long range ability but poor short range passing and most importantly has terrible judgement when it comes to choosing the right pass.

His short passing is good.. but instead of playing short passes he plays defence cutting ones constantly to create chances. Hence his low pass completion percentage. If he played loads of short passes instead of what he does they wouldn't create half as many chances.

Fine Shagger wrote:

The-Reporter wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

luke. wrote:He's a great passer of the ball, he's just a level above most of his teammates, who can't anticipate the balls he is playing. And at a team like Blackpool, to get the credit he has, isn't easy.

No that's just not true. He has good long range ability but poor short range passing and most importantly has terrible judgement when it comes to choosing the right pass.

His short passing is good.. but instead of playing short passes he plays defence cutting ones constantly to create chances. Hence his low pass completion percentage. If he played loads of short passes instead of what he does they wouldn't create half as many chances.

Not even that though, he misplaces a lot of short range passes. Alarmingly in defensive areas which cost his team goals(or concede chances at the least)

He doesn't really have much precision in his passing, hence being better at long rangers with more margin for error.

The-Reporter wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

The-Reporter wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

luke. wrote:He's a great passer of the ball, he's just a level above most of his teammates, who can't anticipate the balls he is playing. And at a team like Blackpool, to get the credit he has, isn't easy.

No that's just not true. He has good long range ability but poor short range passing and most importantly has terrible judgement when it comes to choosing the right pass.

His short passing is good.. but instead of playing short passes he plays defence cutting ones constantly to create chances. Hence his low pass completion percentage. If he played loads of short passes instead of what he does they wouldn't create half as many chances.

Not even that though, he misplaces a lot of short range passes. Alarmingly in defensive areas which cost his team goals(or concede chances at the least)

He doesn't really have much precision in his passing, hence being better at long rangers with more margin for error.

I think if he had a team around him with similar ability he would play more safe balls but whats the point when firstly they will probably lose the ball anyway and secondly he can smash a hollywood ball and possibly create a goal.. which he does quite often. I see Adam play that crucial final ball a hell of alot more than for example Luka Modric.. who gets his dick sucked by everyone.

James wrote:

Blackpool Rule wrote:

polska. wrote:

Jelavic18|RFC wrote:

polska. wrote:Forget about Poland for a minute.

I think Ragners would be worthy relegation favorites in the Championship.

That's how we drew with Man Utd at OT.

Drawing with 11 man in the box isn't exactly great at all.

A Polish club would've had the quality to go out and attack. Though we probably would've lost, it is much less disgraceful. Atleast Lech managed to push for a few results against Man City and Juventus.

like Blackpool

You realise the only reason Holloway plays like this is because he knows you'd lose just as badly if you tried to defend? He just wants a bit of publicity.

Fine Shagger wrote:

The-Reporter wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

The-Reporter wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

No that's just not true. He has good long range ability but poor short range passing and most importantly has terrible judgement when it comes to choosing the right pass.

His short passing is good.. but instead of playing short passes he plays defence cutting ones constantly to create chances. Hence his low pass completion percentage. If he played loads of short passes instead of what he does they wouldn't create half as many chances.

Not even that though, he misplaces a lot of short range passes. Alarmingly in defensive areas which cost his team goals(or concede chances at the least)

He doesn't really have much precision in his passing, hence being better at long rangers with more margin for error.

I think if he had a team around him with similar ability he would play more safe balls but whats the point when firstly they will probably lose the ball anyway and secondly he can smash a hollywood ball and possibly create a goal.. which he does quite often. I see Adam play that crucial final ball a hell of alot more than for example Luka Modric.. who gets his dick sucked by everyone.

It's not Modric's role to play defence splitting passes. Keeping the play ticking is an underappreciated art but Modric has it perfected.

The-Reporter wrote:I see Adam play that crucial final ball a hell of alot more than for example Luka Modric.. who gets his dick sucked by everyone.

The-Reporter wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

The-Reporter wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

The-Reporter wrote:
His short passing is good.. but instead of playing short passes he plays defence cutting ones constantly to create chances. Hence his low pass completion percentage. If he played loads of short passes instead of what he does they wouldn't create half as many chances.

Not even that though, he misplaces a lot of short range passes. Alarmingly in defensive areas which cost his team goals(or concede chances at the least)

He doesn't really have much precision in his passing, hence being better at long rangers with more margin for error.

I think if he had a team around him with similar ability he would play more safe balls but whats the point when firstly they will probably lose the ball anyway and secondly he can smash a hollywood ball and possibly create a goal.. which he does quite often. I see Adam play that crucial final ball a hell of alot more than for example Luka Modric.. who gets his dick sucked by everyone.

It's not Modric's role to play defence splitting passes. Keeping the play ticking is an underappreciated art but Modric has it perfected.

His role isn't to play them because he is no good at them. Charlie Adam has match winning talent, he is not shit like you said.

Fonseca wrote:

luke. wrote:Did you know that Jon Obi Mikel was the only midfielder in the league last year to have a better pass completion rate than Paul Scholes? It wasn't simply because he's playing easy balls back to his centre backs, either; his accuracy in the final third was also higher than the United talisman's. Per data analysis firm Opta, Mikel's pass completion rate for the 09/10 season was an astonishing 89.8%, while he added almost five tackles per game, that figure also significantly above average. He's almost as good in the air as a defender, which is an odd trait for a midfield player, but one that serves to severely boost his value as a midfield shield.

Boom. Mikel > all.

Denilson had the highest competition rate a couple of seasons ago and he's fucking shit and always has been

If Mikel is such an excellent passer then why isn't he picked infront of Lampard

Bogdan wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

Aaron wrote:To be fair Liverpool made bid of around £10m for him. Dalglish and Comolli must rate him quite highly.

I'm hoping they've seen the light, we dodged a bullet big time.

Nah, we're selling Aqua and buying him.

You're selling an extremely technical midfielder for an overrated scotsman? seriously?