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    Messi: Best Ever?

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    Is Messi the best player ever or potentially the best player ever?

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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:44 am

    And0TheGr8 wrote:Will be between he and Ronaldo when it's all said and done.
    No chance cant leave out some others.
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    Post by Jamie Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:46 am

    Ronaldo? You better not mean Cristiano because he's not even close.
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:48 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:Ronaldo? You better not mean Cristiano because he's not even close.
    Well i was hoping he mean't the Brazilian Ronaldo.
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:48 am

    Fine Shagger wrote:He wouldn't fit in to the team.
    I mean if he swapped for Messi.

    And don't tell me you would rather have Villa or Pedro instead of Ronaldo anyway, thats a joke. Laughing
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    Post by Jamie Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:51 am

    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:He wouldn't fit in to the team.
    I mean if he swapped for Messi.

    And don't tell me you would rather have Villa or Pedro instead of Ronaldo anyway, thats a joke. Laughing

    Football isn't played on paper, Ronaldo doesn't fit into Barca's style of play. He's greedy and he's a poor team player. Can't keep possession well either.
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    Post by Trig Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:54 am

    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:Ronaldo? You better not mean Cristiano because he's not even close.
    Well i was hoping he mean't the Brazilian Ronaldo.

    I meant the great Cristiano Ronaldo Dos Santos Aveiro. Simples
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    Post by Jamie Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:56 am

    And0TheGr8 wrote:
    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:Ronaldo? You better not mean Cristiano because he's not even close.
    Well i was hoping he mean't the Brazilian Ronaldo.

    I meant the great Cristiano Ronaldo Dos Santos Aveiro. Simples

    He's not better than Messi, not better than Ronaldo and it's debateable whether he's better than Ronaldinho too. Then move back another era and you'll find more better than him.
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    Post by LeBron Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:58 am

    But he's better than Messi. So Messi can't be better than them either.
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    Post by Jamie Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:00 pm

    I would post that gif of Vidic doing his gay wave thing at the referee right now but I can't find it. Sad

    gay

    That'll have to do.
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:06 pm

    Spider wrote:But he's better than Messi. So Messi can't be better than them either.
    Your funny.
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:08 pm

    Fine Shagger wrote:
    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:He wouldn't fit in to the team.
    I mean if he swapped for Messi.

    And don't tell me you would rather have Villa or Pedro instead of Ronaldo anyway, thats a joke. Laughing

    Football isn't played on paper, Ronaldo doesn't fit into Barca's style of play. He's greedy and he's a poor team player. Can't keep possession well either.
    You just dont like Ronnie because he played for United. Extremely biased.
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    Post by dena Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:09 pm

    Has to win a World Cup, possibly multiple. Neutral
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    Post by SBSP Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:09 pm

    Jamie has a point. Ronaldo is one of the last players that would suit Barca.
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    Post by Jamie Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:16 pm

    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:He wouldn't fit in to the team.
    I mean if he swapped for Messi.

    And don't tell me you would rather have Villa or Pedro instead of Ronaldo anyway, thats a joke. Laughing

    Football isn't played on paper, Ronaldo doesn't fit into Barca's style of play. He's greedy and he's a poor team player. Can't keep possession well either.
    You just dont like Ronnie because he played for United. Extremely biased.

    So how would Ronaldo fit in to this possession based team exactly?

    A team which demands instant pressure from attackers as soon as the ball is lost which Ronaldo never does? A team which will not be set up around Ronaldo like at Real and Utd?
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:17 pm

    And dont forget the other greats



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    Post by LeBron Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:36 pm

    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    Spider wrote:But he's better than Messi. So Messi can't be better than them either.
    You're funny.

    I don't think facts are meant to be funny...
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    Post by SBSP Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:38 pm

    They aren't. Yours isn't a fact. Wink
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    Post by LeBron Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:50 pm

    Messi is to Ronaldo what the Scottish League is to the Premier League.

    Inferior.
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    Post by Jamie Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:54 pm

    Ronaldo: "The God of Football sent me to this planet to teach people how to play and showcase my talent"
    Messi: "I don't remember sending anyone."
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    Post by AriseForLife Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:55 pm

    To soon to tell. The title would be better suited for "best so far" and even then Pele still trumps him in terms of achievements.

    Only time will tell where he ends up in the lore of soccer/football.
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:56 pm

    Fine Shagger wrote:
    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:He wouldn't fit in to the team.
    I mean if he swapped for Messi.

    And don't tell me you would rather have Villa or Pedro instead of Ronaldo anyway, thats a joke. Laughing

    Football isn't played on paper, Ronaldo doesn't fit into Barca's style of play. He's greedy and he's a poor team player. Can't keep possession well either.
    You just dont like Ronnie because he played for United. Extremely biased.

    So how would Ronaldo fit in to this possession based team exactly?

    A team which demands instant pressure from attackers as soon as the ball is lost which Ronaldo never does? A team which will not be set up around Ronaldo like at Real and Utd?
    This is a team that evolves around Messi. Take Messi out, stick Ronaldo in it would be exactly the same game. Saying Ronaldo couldn't hack it in any football team is just ridiculous.
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    Post by SBSP Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:58 pm

    Why in the f'ing world would you swap Ronaldo with Messi in the first place?
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    Post by Jamie Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:59 pm

    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    The-Reporter wrote:
    I mean if he swapped for Messi.

    And don't tell me you would rather have Villa or Pedro instead of Ronaldo anyway, thats a joke. Laughing

    Football isn't played on paper, Ronaldo doesn't fit into Barca's style of play. He's greedy and he's a poor team player. Can't keep possession well either.
    You just dont like Ronnie because he played for United. Extremely biased.

    So how would Ronaldo fit in to this possession based team exactly?

    A team which demands instant pressure from attackers as soon as the ball is lost which Ronaldo never does? A team which will not be set up around Ronaldo like at Real and Utd?
    This is a team that evolves around Messi. Take Messi out, stick Ronaldo in it would be exactly the same game. Saying Ronaldo couldn't hack it in any football team is just ridiculous.

    How would it be exactly the same? Ronaldo can't add anything close to what Messi adds to the build up play of Barca. He doesn't work as hard as Messi either which is the defining point of Pep's team - their work ethic on top of their talent.

    A big part of why Barca are so successful is that when Messi plays he drops deep to form a triangle with Iniesta and Xavi. Can you imagine Ronaldo trying to play one touch passing moves with them two? He'd look like a clown.
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    Post by SBSP Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:00 pm

    Spider wrote:Messi is to Ronaldo what the Scottish League is to the Premier League.

    Much better.
    Glad we agree. cheers
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:06 pm

    Fine Shagger wrote:
    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:

    Football isn't played on paper, Ronaldo doesn't fit into Barca's style of play. He's greedy and he's a poor team player. Can't keep possession well either.
    You just dont like Ronnie because he played for United. Extremely biased.

    So how would Ronaldo fit in to this possession based team exactly?

    A team which demands instant pressure from attackers as soon as the ball is lost which Ronaldo never does? A team which will not be set up around Ronaldo like at Real and Utd?
    This is a team that evolves around Messi. Take Messi out, stick Ronaldo in it would be exactly the same game. Saying Ronaldo couldn't hack it in any football team is just ridiculous.

    How would it be exactly the same? Ronaldo can't add anything close to what Messi adds to the build up play of Barca. He doesn't work as hard as Messi either which is the defining point of Pep's team - their work ethic on top of their talent.

    A big part of why Barca are so successful is that when Messi plays he drops deep to form a triangle with Iniesta and Xavi. Can you imagine Ronaldo trying to play one touch passing moves with them two? He'd look like a clown.
    You haven't got a clue. Ronaldo scores shit loads of goals for a team inferior to Barcelona. If he had Xavi, Iniesta and co around him he'd be even more lethal.
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    Post by Jamie Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:08 pm

    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    The-Reporter wrote:
    You just dont like Ronnie because he played for United. Extremely biased.

    So how would Ronaldo fit in to this possession based team exactly?

    A team which demands instant pressure from attackers as soon as the ball is lost which Ronaldo never does? A team which will not be set up around Ronaldo like at Real and Utd?
    This is a team that evolves around Messi. Take Messi out, stick Ronaldo in it would be exactly the same game. Saying Ronaldo couldn't hack it in any football team is just ridiculous.

    How would it be exactly the same? Ronaldo can't add anything close to what Messi adds to the build up play of Barca. He doesn't work as hard as Messi either which is the defining point of Pep's team - their work ethic on top of their talent.

    A big part of why Barca are so successful is that when Messi plays he drops deep to form a triangle with Iniesta and Xavi. Can you imagine Ronaldo trying to play one touch passing moves with them two? He'd look like a clown.
    You haven't got a clue. Ronaldo scores shit loads of goals for a team inferior to Barcelona. If he had Xavi, Iniesta and co around him he'd be even more lethal.

    How about addressing my point about work ethic and build up play rather than just ignore them?

    You're ignoring the team aspect here.
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:13 pm

    Fine Shagger wrote:
    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:

    So how would Ronaldo fit in to this possession based team exactly?

    A team which demands instant pressure from attackers as soon as the ball is lost which Ronaldo never does? A team which will not be set up around Ronaldo like at Real and Utd?
    This is a team that evolves around Messi. Take Messi out, stick Ronaldo in it would be exactly the same game. Saying Ronaldo couldn't hack it in any football team is just ridiculous.

    How would it be exactly the same? Ronaldo can't add anything close to what Messi adds to the build up play of Barca. He doesn't work as hard as Messi either which is the defining point of Pep's team - their work ethic on top of their talent.

    A big part of why Barca are so successful is that when Messi plays he drops deep to form a triangle with Iniesta and Xavi. Can you imagine Ronaldo trying to play one touch passing moves with them two? He'd look like a clown.
    You haven't got a clue. Ronaldo scores shit loads of goals for a team inferior to Barcelona. If he had Xavi, Iniesta and co around him he'd be even more lethal.

    How about addressing my point about work ethic and build up play rather than just ignore them?

    You're ignoring the team aspect here.
    Im saying stick Ronaldo in that team and everyone would be like oh my god he is the best ever because he would be even more lethal than he is already. Your trying to say he would make Barcelona a lesser team despite him being one of the best players most of us has ever seen. Laughing
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:15 pm

    Spider wrote:
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    Spider wrote:But he's better than Messi. So Messi can't be better than them either.
    You're funny.

    I don't think facts are meant to be funny...

    Why did you highlight "you're"?
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    Post by Jamie Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:16 pm

    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    The-Reporter wrote:
    This is a team that evolves around Messi. Take Messi out, stick Ronaldo in it would be exactly the same game. Saying Ronaldo couldn't hack it in any football team is just ridiculous.

    How would it be exactly the same? Ronaldo can't add anything close to what Messi adds to the build up play of Barca. He doesn't work as hard as Messi either which is the defining point of Pep's team - their work ethic on top of their talent.

    A big part of why Barca are so successful is that when Messi plays he drops deep to form a triangle with Iniesta and Xavi. Can you imagine Ronaldo trying to play one touch passing moves with them two? He'd look like a clown.
    You haven't got a clue. Ronaldo scores shit loads of goals for a team inferior to Barcelona. If he had Xavi, Iniesta and co around him he'd be even more lethal.

    How about addressing my point about work ethic and build up play rather than just ignore them?

    You're ignoring the team aspect here.
    Im saying stick Ronaldo in that team and everyone would be like oh my god he is the best ever because he would be even more lethal than he is already. Your trying to say he would make Barcelona a lesser team despite him being one of the best players most of us has ever seen. Laughing

    Of course he'd make Barca a lesser team, Messi is Barcelona's key player no matter what anyone says about Xavi or Iniesta.

    How come Villa didn't become more lethal when he moved to Barca? Or Henry? Both sensational goalscorers yet didn't suddenly up their goalscoring records.
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:17 pm

    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    The-Reporter wrote:
    Fine Shagger wrote:
    The-Reporter wrote:
    This is a team that evolves around Messi. Take Messi out, stick Ronaldo in it would be exactly the same game. Saying Ronaldo couldn't hack it in any football team is just ridiculous.

    How would it be exactly the same? Ronaldo can't add anything close to what Messi adds to the build up play of Barca. He doesn't work as hard as Messi either which is the defining point of Pep's team - their work ethic on top of their talent.

    A big part of why Barca are so successful is that when Messi plays he drops deep to form a triangle with Iniesta and Xavi. Can you imagine Ronaldo trying to play one touch passing moves with them two? He'd look like a clown.
    You haven't got a clue. Ronaldo scores shit loads of goals for a team inferior to Barcelona. If he had Xavi, Iniesta and co around him he'd be even more lethal.

    How about addressing my point about work ethic and build up play rather than just ignore them?

    You're ignoring the team aspect here.
    Im saying stick Ronaldo in that team and everyone would be like oh my god he is the best ever because he would be even more lethal than he is already. Your trying to say he would make Barcelona a lesser team despite him being one of the best players most of us has ever seen. Laughing

    He would make Barca a lesser team. Neutral Messi is the best in his position and fits Barca's system perfectly. Anyone else wouldn't be equal or better.

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