Messi: Best Ever?

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He very possibly will be, but it would help if he wins a world cup.

Not best yet, no one can ever be at the age of 23, but if injuries do not prematurely end his career he will retire as the greatest player in the history of football.

I think he is already.

When he retires.

He is only 23 and his a long career ahead of him, would help if he won a World Cup as Zzonked mentioned.

I think that a lot of good players have proven themselves in worse teams. A lot of people consider Barcelona's team the best ever....so it's hard to disagree with that.

Can't blame Messi for that, but he's only 23....he shows individual brilliance beyond anyone in the game currently but he's had it easy enough.

It would be interesting to see Messi move to an English team and to see that team have a bad season......and whether or not he could carry the team in the same way other great players have. Don't see it happening though.

I don't like comparisons like this. It's a different game from when the likes of Puskas and Di Stefano, Pele and Maradona and co. were playing.
Pushing me, I'd say he should be by the end of his career, but he is extremely close to it as it is.

Lux wrote:I think that a lot of good players have proven themselves in worse teams. A lot of people consider Barcelona's team the best ever....so it's hard to disagree with that.

Can't blame Messi for that, but he's only 23....he shows individual brilliance beyond anyone in the game currently but he's had it easy enough.

It would be interesting to see Messi move to an English team and to see that team have a bad season......and whether or not he could carry the team in the same way other great players have. Don't see it happening though.

rough translation

scotty parker is better because he monstered other teams in a bad west ham team

He and Ronaldo are the two best players ever, who's better I wouldn't like to say. I'd love to see Ronaldo with Xavi and Iniesta providing the bullets for him though.

mauro=beast wrote:rough translation

scotty parker is better because he monstered other teams in a bad west ham team

Lol, I actually expected someone to mention Parker and be sarcastic about it.

I rate Parker because he's a good player....but he's hardly carried West Ham has he?......they're doing shit anyway. The critics overreact because he's a top 6 player at a relegation team.

The point is that Messi can't say "I won the World Cup on my own" (yet anyway) or "I carried an average team to glory". That doesn't make him a worse player....it just makes it harder to put how good he is in perspective with players who did do that...and didn't have the same luxuries Messi has had.

also i would just like to say i do not beleive messi is best ever yet

but is surely not far away. he certainly only player i seen since i was born to be better then phenomenon ronaldo which is saying enough. maybe 2 years i will then say he is better then maradona and crujff

Lux wrote:

mauro=beast wrote:rough translation

scotty parker is better because he monstered other teams in a bad west ham team

Lol, I actually expected someone to mention Parker and be sarcastic about it.

I rate Parker because he's a good player....but he's hardly carried West Ham has he?......they're doing shit anyway. The critics overreact because he's a top 6 player at a relegation team.

He's the reason their only 2 points of relegation. God knows what state West Ham would be in without him.

I think he might just go down as the Greatest ever if he stay's fit and keeps playing for years to come. And if he keeps up stats like in his last 154 game's for Barcelona it will be hard to argue with.

LAST 154 Game's for Barcelona

PLAYED 154
SCORED 137
ASSISTS 52

Messi is easily the best player that I have ever seen. Better than Zidane, Ronaldo, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, etc. The only players that could stand in his path are Pele and Maradona. I haven't actually seen either play, but I still think Messi is better. The game has become more difficult since Pele and Maradona's time.

Also, it's not Messi's fault he can't win a World Cup. He still plays well for Argentina contrary to the popular myth. It's still early. Maybe one day Messi can lift the trophy for Argentina.

ahlycotc wrote:Messi is easily the best player that I have ever seen. Better than Zidane, Ronaldo, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Henry, etc. The only players that could stand in his path are Pele and Maradona. I haven't actually seen either play, but I still think Messi is better. The game has become more difficult since Pele and Maradona's time.

Also, it's not Messi's fault he can't win a World Cup. He still plays well for Argentina contrary to the popular myth. It's still early. Maybe one day Messi can lift the trophy for Argentina.

Messi this season is better than Maradona was at Napoli, and that's saying something.

Messi and Ronaldo are a different level to everyone else


I used to think the best players in the world were ranked like this:


2006/2007 - Kaka > Ronaldo > Messi

2007/2008 - Ronaldo >>>>>>>>>>>> Messi >>>>>>>> Kaka (Now Kaka is removed from the equation)

2008/2009 - Messi > Ronaldo

2009/2010 - Messi >>>>>>> Ronaldo

Now - Messi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronaldo

Messi has always been better than Ronaldo. Just couldn't show it because of long injuries.

ahlycotc wrote:Messi has always been better than Ronaldo. Just couldn't show it because of long injuries.

Ronaldo was successful in Europe's two biggest leagues, Messi has only played in La Liga, yes I still think Messi is better not but you can't say he was always better it was always a bit of a toss up

fluffy_kittens wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:Messi has always been better than Ronaldo. Just couldn't show it because of long injuries.

Ronaldo was successful in Europe's two biggest leagues, Messi has only played in La Liga, yes I still think Messi is better not but you can't say he was always better it was always a bit of a toss up

I hate when people use that statistic. So what if he has been only in La Liga. Pele didn't play in either, can he not be considered the best ever?

I'm not taking anything away from Ronaldo. He has, is, and will be one of the best players to grace the pitch. But Messi has been a little ahead. The only thing stopping it from being obvious was his constant injuries. His talent didn't go away.

ahlycotc wrote:Messi has always been better than Ronaldo. Just couldn't show it because of long injuries.

I've maintained this stance for years, agreed.

It's hard to offer a truly accurate answer to this question. There have been players that not every football fan has heard of that were magical beyond all belief, in teams worse than Barcelona. I can name a few examples, Joseph Bican, who has a ridiculous goal to game ratio, Arthur Friedenraich, etcetera...

Its a hard one to say who was the greatest player ever as football was different years ago aswell. I mean i think the players of years ago would liked to have played on the pitches of today. Back then the pitches were not always exactly fit for playing great Football. But Messi's stats are scary and he will go down as one of the Greatest if not thee greatest.

Roloman4 wrote:It's hard to offer a truly accurate answer to this question. There have been players that not every football fan has heard of that were magical beyond all belief, in teams worse than Barcelona. I can name a few examples, Joseph Bican, who has a ridiculous goal to game ratio, Arthur Friedenraich, etcetera...

I agree, but also back then i think they played with backies out and formation of 1 1 3 5 or something like that.

Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:

Roloman4 wrote:It's hard to offer a truly accurate answer to this question. There have been players that not every football fan has heard of that were magical beyond all belief, in teams worse than Barcelona. I can name a few examples, Joseph Bican, who has a ridiculous goal to game ratio, Arthur Friedenraich, etcetera...

I agree, but also back then i think they played with backies out and formation of 1 1 3 5 or something like that.

That is true, back in the early days, the field was much less balanced. I still think it's infinitely complicated to devise an answer, to think otherwise is just frivolous.

Woody wrote:Messi and Ronaldo are a different level to everyone else


I used to think the best players in the world were ranked like this:


2006/2007 - Kaka > Ronaldo > Messi

2007/2008 - Ronaldo >>>>>>>>>>>> Messi >>>>>>>> Kaka (Now Kaka is removed from the equation)

2008/2009 - Messi > Ronaldo

2009/2010 - Messi >>>>>>> Ronaldo

Now - Messi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronaldo

Next season - Camp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Messi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ronaldo

I think Ronaldo would look even better then he already does if he was in Barcelona's team.

He wouldn't fit in to the team.

Ronaldo >>>>>>> Messi.

Messi >>>>>>> Ronaldo

Will be between he and Ronaldo when it's all said and done.