Fabregas interview

polska. wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

polska. wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

arsenalap11 wrote:To be fair, it's not that brutal. He's being honest and nothing he's said anyone wasn't thinking. He's not said anything bad about the club or Wenger, he's just said we are lacking in certain things to be champions.

"If you went to Spain and said to [Pep] Guardiola, [José] Mourinho or Unai Emery [the Valencia manager] that they would have three years without winning a trophy, it would be obvious they would not continue [at their clubs]," the Arsenal captain said.

How is that not about Wenger?

Your blinding yourself with your anti-Wenger-ness.

He goes on to talk about that the club has a different attitude. He isn't criticizing Wenger.

Yeah he says it has an attitude of not caring about trophies. In the midst of an interview centred around how Arsenal need to start winning trophies that is without doubt a criticism.

He isn't criticizing anything. He is saying that at Arsenal the board value different things than that of Valencia/RM/Barca.

Yeah, he says that among quotes saying Arsenal need to win trophies. How is it not criticising the board's values?

luke. wrote:I said something pretty much the same as this to polska about Arsenal and their trophy winning.. got told it was a 'plastic fan mentality'.

Looks like Fabregas is a massive plastic then.

You were on about how shit Wenger is because he couldn't win anything in x years. Different from what Fabregas has said.

Fabregas has been here for 7 years winning some shitty cups and has had his boyhood club Barcelona knocking on his door where they're on a consistent winning run. But no he understood his responsibilities and opportunities at Arsenal, He's more loyal then most people think. Wenger failed him, so I won't hold back on any legend who has atleast tried with valuable years of service

Fonseca wrote:Fabregas has been here for 7 years winning some shitty cups and has had his boyhood club Barcelona knocking on his door where they're on a consistent winning run. But no he understood his responsibilities and opportunities at Arsenal, He's more loyal then most people think. Wenger failed him, so I won't hold back on any legend who has atleast tried with valuable years of service

Agree with that.

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polska. wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

polska. wrote:

Fine Shagger wrote:

"If you went to Spain and said to [Pep] Guardiola, [José] Mourinho or Unai Emery [the Valencia manager] that they would have three years without winning a trophy, it would be obvious they would not continue [at their clubs]," the Arsenal captain said.

How is that not about Wenger?

Your blinding yourself with your anti-Wenger-ness.

He goes on to talk about that the club has a different attitude. He isn't criticizing Wenger.

Yeah he says it has an attitude of not caring about trophies. In the midst of an interview centred around how Arsenal need to start winning trophies that is without doubt a criticism.

He isn't criticizing anything. He is saying that at Arsenal the board value different things than that of Valencia/RM/Barca.

Yeah, he says that among quotes saying Arsenal need to win trophies. How is it not criticising the board's values?

I've only read what you have selected in your OP. If it says that, fair enough, But he is still not criticizing Wenger.

polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:I said something pretty much the same as this to polska about Arsenal and their trophy winning.. got told it was a 'plastic fan mentality'.

Looks like Fabregas is a massive plastic then.

You were on about how shit Wenger is because he couldn't win anything in x years. Different from what Fabregas has said.

No I wasn't. I never said anything directly about Wenger's abilities. I stated that for a club of Arsenal's size, 7 years without any kind of meaningful silverware, is, quite frankly, disgraceful.

luke. wrote:

polska. wrote:

luke. wrote:I said something pretty much the same as this to polska about Arsenal and their trophy winning.. got told it was a 'plastic fan mentality'.

Looks like Fabregas is a massive plastic then.

You were on about how shit Wenger is because he couldn't win anything in x years. Different from what Fabregas has said.

No I wasn't. I never said anything directly about Wenger's abilities. I stated that for a club of Arsenal's size, 7 years without any kind of meaningful silverware, is, quite frankly, disgraceful.

I'd reply, but I realize it probably isn't worth it. We already have had this argument before, and I want to spend my hours working on my Polish DB rather than argue with you.

This is what I understood from the interview...

"I respect Arsenal a lot and have enjoyed my time here. However, I'm tired of next year being our next year and we never end up winning anything. Barca, I'm willing to move. Come and get me!"

Fuck that, Thiago > Cesc.

A very honest and fair assessment, but this isn't anything that people didn't already know or anything that he hasn't already said.