Should standing areas return to our top football grounds?

Lux wrote:

Dan wrote:No, not at all. In my opinion, seating is safer than standing. So why change it?

Because not everything is about safety.

I'm sure it's safer to provide us with helmets, elbow pads etc but they don't do that......

You sacrifice safety every time you walk out of your house.....just generally when you live life. What are the reasons for that? Money, a relationship, fun?

Standing creates a better atmosphere, and it's more fun for the fans and might just help spur the team on. As long as planning is done to make sure that the risks are low, then like with any part of life..I'm sure it's fine to give up a little bit of safety in return for something else.

Dan wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:The issue should be settled democratically. The people who will potentially benefit from standing are the fans, the people who will potentially suffer from standing are, once again, the fans. Perhaps every football club should have a vote among it's members, but I don't know who the fuck Liverpool fans think they are to say that everyone else in the country shouldn't be allowed standing areas.

Fuck off.

What about the disabled? The old? What about women and children? What happens then? They might end up paying for a ticket. They aren't gonna see the game. If they want to stand, they won't see the game, so we'll just tell them to go to seating area, where they'll probably pay more?

Hardly fair is it?

Dan wrote:

Lux wrote:

Dan wrote:No, not at all. In my opinion, seating is safer than standing. So why change it?

Because not everything is about safety.

I'm sure it's safer to provide us with helmets, elbow pads etc but they don't do that......

You sacrifice safety every time you walk out of your house.....just generally when you live life. What are the reasons for that? Money, a relationship, fun?

Standing creates a better atmosphere, and it's more fun for the fans and might just help spur the team on. As long as planning is done to make sure that the risks are low, then like with any part of life..I'm sure it's fine to give up a little bit of safety in return for something else.

That's fine. That's your opinion. Mine differs. I don't think we should bring standing back.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:Very poor choice of words there.

Forest wrote:That Berbatov sig fucks up my iPod

I used to be a Steward and the whole mentality of football grounds has changed for the better since seating was introduced. I'm against any single thing that puts any single supporter of any single club at any more risk than they are now. To sacrifice people's safety for 'atmosphere' at a ground is lunacy in my opinion. I'm just not interested in it. A report was made and accepted and since then football grounds have become safe places to visit. Everything begins and ends with safety. Every single thing you see employees of the clubs doing is to look after you - the fans that enter those football grounds. There are many, many reason for people sitting at a ground and most of them are obvious. How many lives have been saved when someone suffers a heart attack and they can easily be seen, attended to and saved? How many times is it kicking off and the offenders can immediately be spotted and pulled out before they do other people mischief.

It's Ok saying that you can look after yourself in these situations - but what about little kids and women? Football grounds have become a welcoming place for everyone no matter how old or how young, no matter their sex or creed or colour. They come to the ground knowing that the football ground is primarily concerned with their safety from start to finish.

Any corruption or change to that will leave me beyond pissed off. Playing with people's safety for fucking 'atmosphere' at the ground for fucks sake? If you want an atmosphere don't sit there fucking swigging coca-cola or munching fucking crisps and whining to your mate how shite Kuyt or fucking Lucas is - fucking sing, make a noise, make a wall of sound. You don't have to be standing up to do that. You've got a fucking gob. Fucking use it.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Dan wrote:

Lux wrote:

Dan wrote:No, not at all. In my opinion, seating is safer than standing. So why change it?

Because not everything is about safety.

I'm sure it's safer to provide us with helmets, elbow pads etc but they don't do that......

You sacrifice safety every time you walk out of your house.....just generally when you live life. What are the reasons for that? Money, a relationship, fun?

Standing creates a better atmosphere, and it's more fun for the fans and might just help spur the team on. As long as planning is done to make sure that the risks are low, then like with any part of life..I'm sure it's fine to give up a little bit of safety in return for something else.

That's fine. That's your opinion. Mine differs. I don't think we should bring standing back.

Listen dickhead, you don't need to keep telling us what people's opinions are, it's obvious what their opinions are because they are actually posting arguments. If you only want to say 'I have this opinion' then there is a poll for you to vote in.

Dan wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Dan wrote:

Lux wrote:

Dan wrote:No, not at all. In my opinion, seating is safer than standing. So why change it?

Because not everything is about safety.

I'm sure it's safer to provide us with helmets, elbow pads etc but they don't do that......

You sacrifice safety every time you walk out of your house.....just generally when you live life. What are the reasons for that? Money, a relationship, fun?

Standing creates a better atmosphere, and it's more fun for the fans and might just help spur the team on. As long as planning is done to make sure that the risks are low, then like with any part of life..I'm sure it's fine to give up a little bit of safety in return for something else.

That's fine. That's your opinion. Mine differs. I don't think we should bring standing back.

Listen dickhead, you don't need to keep telling us what people's opinions are, it's obvious what their opinions are because they are actually posting arguments. If you only want to say 'I have this opinion' then there is a poll for you to vote in.

Shut up gobshite. You've made your point perfectly clear, and also got you little dig in at Liverpool fans, which in this topic is disgraceful, and not to mention hypocritical considering the high-stance you took about Liverpool fans singing Munich songs in another thread.

I said it was my opinion because that's what it is. Nothing he will say will change that and I was telling him not to watse his breath anymore. I could understand his points, but not agree with them.

Unfortunately, pricks like you will always try to ruin these threads with your obsession over all things Liverpool. Kindly, fuck off.

LFCJordan wrote:

I used to be a Steward and the whole mentality of football grounds has changed for the better since seating was introduced. I'm against any single thing that puts any single supporter of any single club at any more risk than they are now. To sacrifice people's safety for 'atmosphere' at a ground is lunacy in my opinion. I'm just not interested in it. A report was made and accepted and since then football grounds have become safe places to visit. Everything begins and ends with safety. Every single thing you see employees of the clubs doing is to look after you - the fans that enter those football grounds. There are many, many reason for people sitting at a ground and most of them are obvious. How many lives have been saved when someone suffers a heart attack and they can easily be seen, attended to and saved? How many times is it kicking off and the offenders can immediately be spotted and pulled out before they do other people mischief.

It's Ok saying that you can look after yourself in these situations - but what about little kids and women? Football grounds have become a welcoming place for everyone no matter how old or how young, no matter their sex or creed or colour. They come to the ground knowing that the football ground is primarily concerned with their safety from start to finish.

Any corruption or change to that will leave me beyond pissed off. Playing with people's safety for fucking 'atmosphere' at the ground for fucks sake? If you want an atmosphere don't sit there fucking swigging coca-cola or munching fucking crisps and whining to your mate how shite Kuyt or fucking Lucas is - fucking sing, make a noise, make a wall of sound. You don't have to be standing up to do that. You've got a fucking gob. Fucking use it.

Great post from other forum. I agree with what he is saying.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:The amount of personal abuse I receive from some of you people is shameful.

Dan wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:The amount of personal abuse I receive from some of you people is shameful.

You should be happy that oxygen is avaliable to you.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:

Dan wrote:

ResurrectionRooney wrote:The amount of personal abuse I receive from some of you people is shameful.

You should be happy that oxygen is avaliable to you.

I take it for granted really. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

Forest wrote:Even if it was brought in it wouldn't affect most of you lot. You'd just hear more noise from fans on your tv or stream

The-Reporter wrote:Yes because everyone stands anyway.

ResurrectionRooney wrote:The German model is an example to follow. They have barriers where there are seats, and even seats there for people who get tired and want to sit down (although they won't have much chance of watching the match unless they're surrounded by dwarves).

Even Liverpool fans couldn't cause a massacre in a stadium like that. You could have fairly safe standing areas in modern all seater stadia quite easily at the moment, with no alterations, just designate a particular area as one where people are allowed to stand, it is difficult for a crowd to surge when there are seats in front of them. A return to the days where it's just as many people as can fit in, with no barriers other than the ones at the front, would be a disaster waiting to happen though.