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    Post by Guest Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:33 pm

    Below is a statement from the Football Supporters Federation regarding
    the introduction of safe standing all football grounds, please sign up:

    The Football Supporters’ Federation has launched a petition – visit www.fsf.org.uk/safestanding
    - as part of our campaign for the introduction of safe standing areas
    in the top two divisions in England and Wales. We know some of you might
    think that signing a petition is a bit of a futile gesture, but the
    timing for the campaign is crucial.

    There is currently a bill going through Parliament which faces its
    second reading in a little under three months time, and for the first
    time in two decades the Sports Minister has agreed to look at the
    evidence on safe standing. We have a short timeframe to gather support
    and prove that there is a groundswell of opinion behind fans’ choice to
    stand at football in England and Wales. Within a week of launching the
    petition, nearly 10,000 fans added their voices to our campaign, but we
    need a great deal more support behind our cause. The more numbers that
    back our campaign, the stronger our case to the Government and football
    authorities will be.

    There is a great deal of nonsense spoken about standing by the
    mainstream media and football commentators, and we feel we are
    constantly fighting an uphill battle. The most common argument is that
    standing is inherently unsafe. If that is the case, why is it allowed in
    Leagues One and Two? If standing was truly unsafe, it would be outlawed
    not only in the lower leagues, but at horseracing, rugby, motorsport
    and concerts (some of which are held in all-seater football stadiums).
    Our position is that if standing is safe in the lower leagues, then it
    must be safe in the top two divisions. We find the idea that safety is
    dependent upon the quality of football played on the pitch as absolutely
    absurd, and logically flawed.

    Many opponents to standing mistakenly cite Hillsborough as a reason not
    to allow its introduction. Their argument is that a return to terraces
    means another Hillsborough disaster is inevitable. The tragic loss of
    lives in 1989 was not caused by standing; the Taylor Report primarily
    blamed the failure of police control. It did not ban standing, nor claim
    it was inherently unsafe. Furthermore, we are not calling for a
    reintroduction of terraces. Modern safe-standing areas in Germany
    feature convertible seats, with barriers between every row.

    The FSF’s Safe Standing Campaign is also not just about those who prefer
    to stand. By giving supporters the choice, we think that everyone
    benefits. Those who wish to stand can do so, while those who prefer to
    sit no longer have to worry about having their view blocked. Every week
    thousands of fans stand in front of their seats for large parts of the
    game, and attempts by the authorities to end this practice have failed.
    Fans are standing in ever greater numbers, and we think they should be
    able to do so in safely designed and managed areas where possible.

    The FSF does not propose that the stringent safety standards laid down
    in the Government’s Green Guide be abolished or weakened in any way, and
    nor are we suggesting that clubs should be forced to provide safe
    standing areas. Issues around cost and feasibility should be a matter
    for individual clubs and their fans, not for the government.

    If you agree with us that fans should have the choice to sit or stand at
    football, please add your name to the thousands already in favour of
    safe standing. Now’s the best chance we’ll have to make a difference.
    We, as football fans, have to stand up for ourselves.

    The FSF is the national supporters’ organisation for all football fans
    and represents more than 180,000 individual fans and affiliate members,
    such as supporters' clubs, throughout England and Wales. Once closed
    this petition will be handed to the relevant government and football
    authorities.

    The Football Supporters’ Federation is offering supporters’
    organisations and fanzines the opportunity to have the Safe Standing
    Roadshow visit their club in the coming weeks and months. The roadshow
    is run by Jon Darch and supports the FSF’s Safe Standing Campaign by
    providing supporters with the opportunity to see a “rail seat” area in
    action.

    Fans can also come along and see the roadshow at the FSF’s FANS PARLIAMENT on July 9th in London. Registration is free from www.fsf.org.uk

    The unit consists of four ‘rail seats’ (from a batch made for VfB
    Stuttgart in Germany) mounted on a platform in the design of a small
    grandstand PICTURES HERE.
    It measures 2m x 2.3m and can be set up outside or indoors (subject to
    double-door access). By standing at the rail seats on the roadshow unit
    club executives, safety officers, local councillors and MPs can get a
    genuine feel of what ‘safe standing’ would be like if such seats were
    allowed to be installed in a designated standing area at your ground.

    The roadshow recently made its first appearance at , where a
    representative group of fans indicated clearly to the club’s chief
    executive that they felt supporters should have the choice to sit or
    stand and that a significant number would personally like the
    opportunity to stand. A report on that event, including a link to the
    independent minutes, is available CLICK HERE. The unit has since made appearances in the North East, Scotland and Merseyside - read a report of that event CLICK HERE- and is being lined up to visit Arsenal, Stoke City and Portsmouth in the coming weeks.

    If you would like to hold a similar event at your club (or arrange a
    private demonstration behind closed doors for your club executives),
    please contact FSF member Jon Darch (email below), who is running the
    roadshow. He’ll be happy to arrange a suitable date with you.

    If you have any further question please email Jon: safe.standing@gmx.com

    Statement - http://www.hullcityindependent.net/?...ws&news_id=624


    I know some don't agree with it, their choice.. But I know there is a fair few that support this so felt it is worth posting.

    Mods delete any Hillsborough debate in here.
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    Post by coolhead33 Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:15 pm

    Signed. We stand up all the time anyway so it barely affects us.
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    Post by RubyArmyCTFC Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:19 pm

    I've already signed it Smile.

    The fact that safe standing areas can't be permitted in the Championship and Premiership is ludicrous. I stand at Cheltenham every week and I've stood their the times we've hosted Newcastle and Leeds United in front of a sell out crowd. Not once did I fear for my safety. If terracing is a health and safety issue then why is allowed from every step up to League one?
    What makes a terrace in League one any more safe then a terrace in the Premiership or Championship if it's so dangerous?

    Fans should be able to choose whether they want to sit or stand. At Southampton in the cup last season we were made to sit in our allocated seats. The problem with this is that the people who wanted to sing, chant and stand were scattered all over the place and got into arguments with those who wanted to sit down. I imagine this happens every week in the top two divisions and the atmosphere is not as good as it could be in the top two divisions.

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    Personally I'd love there to be a terrace behind both goals at Wembley. The atmosphere is poor at home international games so if a terrace was built, it would allow the fans to chant all they like without being told off by a chinese tourist who's videoing the game.


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    Post by Guest Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:23 pm

    Signed. Bring back the layer road days! Very Happy
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    Post by coolhead33 Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:26 pm

    CTFC~ced wrote:I've already signed it Smile.

    The fact that safe standing areas can't be permitted in the Championship and Premiership is ludicrous. I stand at Cheltenham every week and I've stood their the times we've hosted Newcastle and Leeds United in front of a sell out crowd. Not once did I fear for my safety. If terracing is a health and safety issue then why is allowed from every step up to League one?
    What makes a terrace in League one any more safe then a terrace in the Premiership or Championship if it's so dangerous?

    Fans should be able to choose whether they want to sit or stand. At Southampton in the cup last season we were made to sit in our allocated seats. The problem with this is that the people who wanted to sing, chant and stand were scattered all over the place and got into arguments with those who wanted to sit down. I imagine this happens every week in the top two divisions and the atmosphere is not as good as it could be in the top two divisions.

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    Personally I'd love there to be a terrace behind both goals at Wembley. The atmosphere is poor at home international games so if a terrace was built, it would allow the fans to chant all they like without being told off by a chinese tourist who's videoing the game.


    I've never had safety concerns either apart from Watford at home when some fat person was pushing forward and all of us were falling over the chairs near the end of the game. Exeter away was bad apparently but I didn't go.
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    Post by RubyArmyCTFC Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:29 pm

    Adz wrote:Signed. Bring back the layer road days! Very Happy

    Laughing I loved my first trip to Layer Road in 2004. The ground may have been an absolute shit hole but it had character.

    We only took 100 fans and the terrace was still cramped Laughing
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    Post by RubyArmyCTFC Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:44 pm

    coolhead33 wrote:
    CTFC~ced wrote:I've already signed it Smile.

    The fact that safe standing areas can't be permitted in the Championship and Premiership is ludicrous. I stand at Cheltenham every week and I've stood their the times we've hosted Newcastle and Leeds United in front of a sell out crowd. Not once did I fear for my safety. If terracing is a health and safety issue then why is allowed from every step up to League one?
    What makes a terrace in League one any more safe then a terrace in the Premiership or Championship if it's so dangerous?

    Fans should be able to choose whether they want to sit or stand. At Southampton in the cup last season we were made to sit in our allocated seats. The problem with this is that the people who wanted to sing, chant and stand were scattered all over the place and got into arguments with those who wanted to sit down. I imagine this happens every week in the top two divisions and the atmosphere is not as good as it could be in the top two divisions.

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    Personally I'd love there to be a terrace behind both goals at Wembley. The atmosphere is poor at home international games so if a terrace was built, it would allow the fans to chant all they like without being told off by a chinese tourist who's videoing the game.


    I've never had safety concerns either apart from Watford at home when some fat person was pushing forward and all of us were falling over the chairs near the end of the game. Exeter away was bad apparently but I didn't go.

    If there was a terrace with a safety bar on each row then I doubt the incident at Watford would have happened. Standing with seats beneath you is a lot more dangerous then a regular terrace.

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    That Exeter away terrace is pretty dangerous I must admit. It's just a concrete slab where 1200 people are crammed into with only one safety bar at the front of the stand.

    From the FA'S point of view the terrace will only become a health and safety concern once they establish themselves in the championship. It's ridiculous to base the safety of a stand on the clubs success.
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    Post by coolhead33 Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:57 pm

    At Elland Road in the north stand everyone starts blocking the stairs when the stoppage time is announced. It's usually fine but that guy at the Watford game wanted to get out so he ended up barging his way through and people ended up falling over the seats. That same game some different fat person went on the pitch from the north stand and got the cops on him. He was so drunk and heavy that when he fell over he took the stewards/cops with him.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:03 pm

    CTFC~ced wrote:
    coolhead33 wrote:
    CTFC~ced wrote:I've already signed it Smile.

    The fact that safe standing areas can't be permitted in the Championship and Premiership is ludicrous. I stand at Cheltenham every week and I've stood their the times we've hosted Newcastle and Leeds United in front of a sell out crowd. Not once did I fear for my safety. If terracing is a health and safety issue then why is allowed from every step up to League one?
    What makes a terrace in League one any more safe then a terrace in the Premiership or Championship if it's so dangerous?

    Fans should be able to choose whether they want to sit or stand. At Southampton in the cup last season we were made to sit in our allocated seats. The problem with this is that the people who wanted to sing, chant and stand were scattered all over the place and got into arguments with those who wanted to sit down. I imagine this happens every week in the top two divisions and the atmosphere is not as good as it could be in the top two divisions.

    ---

    Personally I'd love there to be a terrace behind both goals at Wembley. The atmosphere is poor at home international games so if a terrace was built, it would allow the fans to chant all they like without being told off by a chinese tourist who's videoing the game.


    I've never had safety concerns either apart from Watford at home when some fat person was pushing forward and all of us were falling over the chairs near the end of the game. Exeter away was bad apparently but I didn't go.

    If there was a terrace with a safety bar on each row then I doubt the incident at Watford would have happened. Standing with seats beneath you is a lot more dangerous then a regular terrace.

    --

    That Exeter away terrace is pretty dangerous I must admit. It's just a concrete slab where 1200 people are crammed into with only one safety bar at the front of the stand.

    From the FA'S point of view the terrace will only become a health and safety concern once they establish themselves in the championship. It's ridiculous to base the safety of a stand on the clubs success.

    Be fair, it's not based on success, it's based on affordability and the amount of fans which a club can expect to bring in. I do agree that that sounds very unsafe though, and shouldn't be allowed.
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    Post by Guest Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:07 pm

    No but the thing is RR. If it was that unsafe, they wouldn't be allowed to use the stand, end of.
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    Post by RubyArmyCTFC Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:19 pm

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
    CTFC~ced wrote:
    coolhead33 wrote:
    CTFC~ced wrote:I've already signed it Smile.

    The fact that safe standing areas can't be permitted in the Championship and Premiership is ludicrous. I stand at Cheltenham every week and I've stood their the times we've hosted Newcastle and Leeds United in front of a sell out crowd. Not once did I fear for my safety. If terracing is a health and safety issue then why is allowed from every step up to League one?
    What makes a terrace in League one any more safe then a terrace in the Premiership or Championship if it's so dangerous?

    Fans should be able to choose whether they want to sit or stand. At Southampton in the cup last season we were made to sit in our allocated seats. The problem with this is that the people who wanted to sing, chant and stand were scattered all over the place and got into arguments with those who wanted to sit down. I imagine this happens every week in the top two divisions and the atmosphere is not as good as it could be in the top two divisions.

    ---

    Personally I'd love there to be a terrace behind both goals at Wembley. The atmosphere is poor at home international games so if a terrace was built, it would allow the fans to chant all they like without being told off by a chinese tourist who's videoing the game.


    I've never had safety concerns either apart from Watford at home when some fat person was pushing forward and all of us were falling over the chairs near the end of the game. Exeter away was bad apparently but I didn't go.

    If there was a terrace with a safety bar on each row then I doubt the incident at Watford would have happened. Standing with seats beneath you is a lot more dangerous then a regular terrace.

    --

    That Exeter away terrace is pretty dangerous I must admit. It's just a concrete slab where 1200 people are crammed into with only one safety bar at the front of the stand.

    From the FA'S point of view the terrace will only become a health and safety concern once they establish themselves in the championship. It's ridiculous to base the safety of a stand on the clubs success.

    Be fair, it's not based on success, it's based on affordability and the amount of fans which a club can expect to bring in. I do agree that that sounds very unsafe though, and shouldn't be allowed.

    That is questionable. Do you remmeber the keep Scunthorpe standing appeal? If Scunthorpe stayed up for their third consecutive Championship season they would have been forced to put seats into their terrace. I read around around several forums and the Scunthorpe fans didn't want to lose their terrace and it appeared the club didn't want to waste funds on installing seats. As well as this, the stadium would have had it's capacity reduced meaning less gate reciepts for big games. The decision was primarily based on Scunthorpe trying to establish themselves in the Championship.
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    Post by Mouse Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:21 pm

    I stand at Newport County, the atmosphere is so much better and i've never had a problem/
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    Post by ShakerMatty Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:25 pm

    Signed it a long time ago, The best atmosphere apart from Chesterfield for me last year were at Morecambe and Burton and they were standing so what does that show? It shows that if you have people cramped in to one stand it creates a better atmosphere. Plus i love some traditional grounds i.e Cheltenhams.
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    Post by ShakerMatty Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:28 pm

    12452 signatures is impressive, hopefully they can get some more
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    Post by Guest Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:09 am

    Post the article on all your club teams forums.
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    Post by ShakerMatty Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:16 am

    Doing it now Smile

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