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    Post by Mouse Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:40 pm

    JMB_94 wrote:SSN are saying that Roy has been 'dissapointed' with the Liverpool supporters. He says that he hasn't yet witnessed the famous Anfield atmosphere. Laughing

    Your thoughts?

    I wish we'd blast him into the fucking atmosphere
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    Post by Cadbury Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:53 pm

    The atmosphere went dwon the drain this season but who cares?
    That 'boo' when NGog came off was brilliant.
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    Post by Childish Logic Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:14 am

    http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/12/30/2283118/phil-neal-hits-out-at-liverpool-boss-roy-hodgson-shankly-and
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:22 am

    David Maddock: "In Hodgson, Liverpool have an old-fashioned manager who offers reminders of Joe Fagan."


    facepalm

    Why do we have such a nationalistic media? The xenophobia from them last season was disgusting, now the pro-English shite they're spouting in defence of Roy is just as bad.

    Now, I wasn't alive during the Fagan years, but I'm pretty sure that we weren't graced with this horrible to watch, long ball rubbish Roy has us playing.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:29 am

    Pass and move, it's the Liverpool groove? Not any more. The Hodgson way is more hoof and pray. As endless long punts were hammered towards Fernando Torres and David Ngog during last night's defeat to Wolves, it became increasingly impossible to justify Roy Hodgson lasting at Anfield beyond the end of the week. Patience has its virtues, and chairmen can be trigger-happy, but it is hardly compulsory; Hodgson's time is up. He simply has to go. Forget about giving him extra time and the chance to dip into the transfer market in January. Trust has to be earned and Hodgson has failed. Liverpool are perched three points above the bottom three. Losing to Northampton Town, Blackpool and Wolves at Anfield in the space of six months, no matter what financial constraints Hodgson has had to work under, is a grotesque underachievement for a club of Liverpool's elevated standing.

    For all his complaints about the situation he inherited from Rafael Benítez, Hodgson took over a squad containing Pepe Reina, Jamie Carragher, Javier Mascherano, Steven Gerrard, Dirk Kuyt and Torres. Granted, he lost Mascherano to Barcelona but he also willingly parted with Alberto Aquilani, while bringing in the laughable pair of Paul Konchesky and Christian Poulsen. Although Liverpool were average last season, they still finished seventh. With the players at his disposal, Hodgson has introduced an ugly, negative route-one style, which last night saw the defence bypassing the midfield with alarming regularity.

    These tactics might have sufficed at Fulham, but then Hodgson has often appeared dumbfounded by the level of expectation at Anfield. Not only is this approach unforgivable against Wolves, who were bottom of the table before the game and had amassed just one point on their travels all season, it is hopelessly misguided considering the players at Hodgson's disposal. Torres is not exactly Kevin Davies – he needs the ball played to feet or for him to run on to. He will never beat the likes of Christophe Berra in the air. Torres is a world-class striker being forced to operate like a lower-league journeyman, even if his form has been at that standard since the summer.

    While Liverpool's players must take some responsibility too, clearly Hodgson has lost the dressing room, if he ever had it in the first place. Under Benítez, when Liverpool were losing games at Anfield, teams would brace themselves for the inevitable barrage as they defended their goal at the Kop End, waiting for Gerrard to pop up with a jaw-dropping equaliser. Last night there was nothing. With Wolves, whose sparky, attractive style of play belied their lowly position, required to do the bare minimum, dissent grew among the home supporters. Afterwards Hodgson was critical of the fans, questioning where the "famous support" had gone. He sounded like an away fan mocking a subdued home crowd about the lack of atmosphere. It almost appears as if he is getting his shots in early. Liverpool's supporters already disliked Hodgson. This will be seen as a step too far.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/dec/30/five-things-learned-premier-league

    The bit in bold is so so so true.
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    Post by Mr. Hassard Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:55 am

    Dan wrote:Now, I wasn't alive during the Fagan years, but I'm pretty sure that we weren't graced with this horrible to watch, long ball rubbish Roy has us playing.

    I think his two year spell in charge of Liverpool speaks for it's self....

    Joe Fagan's Managerial Honours (all with Liverpool)
    Winner
    1984 Football League Cup
    1984 League Championship (Level 1)
    1984 European Cup
    1984 English Manager of the Year

    Runner-up
    1983 Charity Shield
    1984 Charity Shield
    1984 Intercontinental Cup
    1984 European Super Cup
    1985 League Championship (Level 1)
    1985 European Cup

    Semi-finalist
    1985 FA Cup
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:59 am

    Dan wrote:David Maddock: "In Hodgson, Liverpool have an old-fashioned manager who offers reminders of Joe Fagan."


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    Why do we have such a nationalistic media? The xenophobia from them last season was disgusting, now the pro-English shite they're spouting in defence of Roy is just as bad.

    Now, I wasn't alive during the Fagan years, but I'm pretty sure that we weren't graced with this horrible to watch, long ball rubbish Roy has us playing.

    I was and well Fagan won the first English treble in his first season, League champion's our 3rd in a row League cup 4th in a row and 4th European cup in 8 season's and we used 16 players all season and Rushie scored 47 goals for us that season and a Penalty in the Rome shoot out win. Liverpool FC Official Thread - Page 20 914411

    Joe Fagan the Original treble winner http://www.liverweb.org.uk/fagan.htm

    Lets just say things were a bit different back then Rolling Eyes


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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:03 am

    ScottyBoy_21 wrote:
    Pass and move, it's the Liverpool groove? Not any more. The Hodgson way is more hoof and pray. As endless long punts were hammered towards Fernando Torres and David Ngog during last night's defeat to Wolves, it became increasingly impossible to justify Roy Hodgson lasting at Anfield beyond the end of the week. Patience has its virtues, and chairmen can be trigger-happy, but it is hardly compulsory; Hodgson's time is up. He simply has to go. Forget about giving him extra time and the chance to dip into the transfer market in January. Trust has to be earned and Hodgson has failed. Liverpool are perched three points above the bottom three. Losing to Northampton Town, Blackpool and Wolves at Anfield in the space of six months, no matter what financial constraints Hodgson has had to work under, is a grotesque underachievement for a club of Liverpool's elevated standing.

    For all his complaints about the situation he inherited from Rafael Benítez, Hodgson took over a squad containing Pepe Reina, Jamie Carragher, Javier Mascherano, Steven Gerrard, Dirk Kuyt and Torres. Granted, he lost Mascherano to Barcelona but he also willingly parted with Alberto Aquilani, while bringing in the laughable pair of Paul Konchesky and Christian Poulsen. Although Liverpool were average last season, they still finished seventh. With the players at his disposal, Hodgson has introduced an ugly, negative route-one style, which last night saw the defence bypassing the midfield with alarming regularity.

    These tactics might have sufficed at Fulham, but then Hodgson has often appeared dumbfounded by the level of expectation at Anfield. Not only is this approach unforgivable against Wolves, who were bottom of the table before the game and had amassed just one point on their travels all season, it is hopelessly misguided considering the players at Hodgson's disposal. Torres is not exactly Kevin Davies – he needs the ball played to feet or for him to run on to. He will never beat the likes of Christophe Berra in the air. Torres is a world-class striker being forced to operate like a lower-league journeyman, even if his form has been at that standard since the summer.

    While Liverpool's players must take some responsibility too, clearly Hodgson has lost the dressing room, if he ever had it in the first place. Under Benítez, when Liverpool were losing games at Anfield, teams would brace themselves for the inevitable barrage as they defended their goal at the Kop End, waiting for Gerrard to pop up with a jaw-dropping equaliser. Last night there was nothing. With Wolves, whose sparky, attractive style of play belied their lowly position, required to do the bare minimum, dissent grew among the home supporters. Afterwards Hodgson was critical of the fans, questioning where the "famous support" had gone. He sounded like an away fan mocking a subdued home crowd about the lack of atmosphere. It almost appears as if he is getting his shots in early. Liverpool's supporters already disliked Hodgson. This will be seen as a step too far.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/dec/30/five-things-learned-premier-league

    The bit in bold is so so so true.

    It is. We had some real poor results under Rafa, but we controlled the games and never let the other side get the better of us. Think of those Cup upsets to Reading, Barnsley, those games against Stoke, Wigan etc. and how we dominated the game but couldn't put it to bed. Then think of Blackpool, Northampton and Wolves and how we were second best and didn't even look like getting a string of passes together let alone shots on goal.

    We've dropped drastically in the past few months, I can't see how anyone can blame the likes of Torres, Stevie etc. and those on the pitch, because the tactics simply do not suit the players abilities. Torres plays best, with a man behind him, playing balls to his feet. He does not suit having Carragher punting long balls to his head. The team were at their best when defended from the front - closed down the man. That's why Kuyt was so key under Rafa. Now, the opposition has ages on the ball.

    Could we beat Barca, Real Madrid, Inter, Juventus now? No, we'd get absolutely slaughtered. Roy has to go, before he really damages the club.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:05 am

    Mr. Hassard wrote:
    Dan wrote:Now, I wasn't alive during the Fagan years, but I'm pretty sure that we weren't graced with this horrible to watch, long ball rubbish Roy has us playing.

    I think his two year spell in charge of Liverpool speaks for it's self....

    Joe Fagan's Managerial Honours (all with Liverpool)
    Winner
    1984 Football League Cup
    1984 League Championship (Level 1)
    1984 European Cup
    1984 English Manager of the Year

    Runner-up
    1983 Charity Shield
    1984 Charity Shield
    1984 Intercontinental Cup
    1984 European Super Cup
    1985 League Championship (Level 1)
    1985 European Cup

    Semi-finalist
    1985 FA Cup
    Yes and counting the Hysel Final was a none game aswell after what happened not that i was the bothered but the Penalty that Juventus got to win it should have been a free kick the foul was yards outside the box, but what happened before made the game a none event R.I.P.

    And well for a lot of that 84,85 season Rushie who scored 47 goals the season before was injured and back then we did not have the squads of today and without him we missed him, although that season Everton had a top class Team and nearly won a Treble.

    They won the League the cup winners cup and lost the Fa Cup final


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    Post by Mr. Hassard Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:10 am

    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    Mr. Hassard wrote:
    Dan wrote:Now, I wasn't alive during the Fagan years, but I'm pretty sure that we weren't graced with this horrible to watch, long ball rubbish Roy has us playing.

    I think his two year spell in charge of Liverpool speaks for it's self....

    Joe Fagan's Managerial Honours (all with Liverpool)
    Winner
    1984 Football League Cup
    1984 League Championship (Level 1)
    1984 European Cup
    1984 English Manager of the Year

    Runner-up
    1983 Charity Shield
    1984 Charity Shield
    1984 Intercontinental Cup
    1984 European Super Cup
    1985 League Championship (Level 1)
    1985 European Cup

    Semi-finalist
    1985 FA Cup
    Yes and counting the Hysel Final was a none game aswell after what happened not that i was the bothered but the Penalty that Juventus got to win it should have been a free kick the foul was yards outside the box, but what happened before made the game a none event R.I.P.

    I am too young to remember that happening, but from what I've seen and read it looks and sounds like a horrible disaster Should the game even have gone ahead?
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:14 am

    Mr. Hassard wrote:
    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    Mr. Hassard wrote:
    Dan wrote:Now, I wasn't alive during the Fagan years, but I'm pretty sure that we weren't graced with this horrible to watch, long ball rubbish Roy has us playing.

    I think his two year spell in charge of Liverpool speaks for it's self....

    Joe Fagan's Managerial Honours (all with Liverpool)
    Winner
    1984 Football League Cup
    1984 League Championship (Level 1)
    1984 European Cup
    1984 English Manager of the Year

    Runner-up
    1983 Charity Shield
    1984 Charity Shield
    1984 Intercontinental Cup
    1984 European Super Cup
    1985 League Championship (Level 1)
    1985 European Cup

    Semi-finalist
    1985 FA Cup
    Yes and counting the Hysel Final was a none game aswell after what happened not that i was the bothered but the Penalty that Juventus got to win it should have been a free kick the foul was yards outside the box, but what happened before made the game a none event R.I.P.

    I am too young to remember that happening, but from what I've seen and read it looks and sounds like a horrible disaster Should the game even have gone ahead?

    There'd have been riots if it had been cancelled. Would've been much worse.
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    Post by Jamie Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:17 am

    Fuck sake, I wake up and he's still here. Expected it but it's still fucking soul destroying.
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    Post by Mr. Hassard Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:19 am

    Dan wrote:
    Mr. Hassard wrote:
    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    Mr. Hassard wrote:
    Dan wrote:Now, I wasn't alive during the Fagan years, but I'm pretty sure that we weren't graced with this horrible to watch, long ball rubbish Roy has us playing.

    I think his two year spell in charge of Liverpool speaks for it's self....

    Joe Fagan's Managerial Honours (all with Liverpool)
    Winner
    1984 Football League Cup
    1984 League Championship (Level 1)
    1984 European Cup
    1984 English Manager of the Year

    Runner-up
    1983 Charity Shield
    1984 Charity Shield
    1984 Intercontinental Cup
    1984 European Super Cup
    1985 League Championship (Level 1)
    1985 European Cup

    Semi-finalist
    1985 FA Cup
    Yes and counting the Hysel Final was a none game aswell after what happened not that i was the bothered but the Penalty that Juventus got to win it should have been a free kick the foul was yards outside the box, but what happened before made the game a none event R.I.P.

    I am too young to remember that happening, but from what I've seen and read it looks and sounds like a horrible disaster Should the game even have gone ahead?

    There'd have been riots if it had been cancelled. Would've been much worse.

    Ah, never thought about that. A loose-loose situation then.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:31 am

    Mr. Hassard wrote:
    Liverpool fc 4 ever wrote:
    Mr. Hassard wrote:
    Dan wrote:Now, I wasn't alive during the Fagan years, but I'm pretty sure that we weren't graced with this horrible to watch, long ball rubbish Roy has us playing.

    I think his two year spell in charge of Liverpool speaks for it's self....

    Joe Fagan's Managerial Honours (all with Liverpool)
    Winner
    1984 Football League Cup
    1984 League Championship (Level 1)
    1984 European Cup
    1984 English Manager of the Year

    Runner-up
    1983 Charity Shield
    1984 Charity Shield
    1984 Intercontinental Cup
    1984 European Super Cup
    1985 League Championship (Level 1)
    1985 European Cup

    Semi-finalist
    1985 FA Cup
    Yes and counting the Hysel Final was a none game aswell after what happened not that i was the bothered but the Penalty that Juventus got to win it should have been a free kick the foul was yards outside the box, but what happened before made the game a none event R.I.P.

    I am too young to remember that happening, but from what I've seen and read it looks and sounds like a horrible disaster Should the game even have gone ahead?

    No it should have never went ahead the year before Liverpool had played Roma in there own stadium in the European cup final and after Liverpool won the penalty shoot out after the game the supporters had concrete dropped on there buses and the Roma fans were going about stabbing Liverpool fans and one 13 year old was nearly ripped apart needing 200 odd stitches in his face alone, so after this the british fans had a hatred for the Italians.

    Before that final at Hysel Liverpool had earlier in the season played Juventus in the Super cup final and there had been trouble at that game aswell so at Hysel something was going to kick off and im not just blaming the Italians but the rumours of Liverpool fans getting spat at bottles of pish thrown at them Children also getting abused, but that night before the people were killed the Liverpool players came out to warm up and had parts of concrete from the crumbling stadium thrown at them and well later it all kicked off and as you know the wall collapst and the people got killed, they had players coming out speaking to the fans on loud speaker trying to stop all the violence this was after the people had been killed ,and even something like 2 hours or more later when the teams came out some juventus fans were on the pitch trying to attack the Liverpool players so it was not just the Liverpool fans to blame for what happened that night.

    And well the truth was they could not stop the game cause if they had let the fans out there would have been more deaths cause the police could not handle what was going on and well if they had let the fans out on the streets without a game i would not have liked to think what would have went on, but it was a game that should never be thought about and it should be struck from the records of who played that night.

    http://bianconeri.tripod.com/heysel.html

    Read some of this it tells you a few things about Hysel
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:37 am

    Manager Matches Won Drawn Lost Win %
    Roy Hodgson 29 12 8 9 41.38%
    Rafael Benitez 350 194 77 79 55.43%
    Gerard Houllier 325 165 81 79 50.77%
    Roy Evans 244 123 63 58 50.41%
    Graeme Souness 157 65 47 45 41.4%
    Kenny Dalglish 307 187 78 42 60.91%
    Joe Fagan 131 70 37 24 53.44%
    Bob Paisley 535 307 132 96 57.38%
    Bill Shankly 783 407 198 178 51.98%

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    Post by Mouse Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:38 am

    RAWK are already bashing that fucking marvuex and he hasn't even signed yet....from what i've seen he looks the type of player we need he's left footed and hugs the toucheline
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    Post by Jamie Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:42 am

    Tbh I don't give a fuck who we sign right now, my only thought is about Hodgson.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:44 am

    I was watching the game v Wolves on sky last night and it was saying Wolves had not won at Anfield since 83,84 season and it was mentioned a few times that Wolves got relegated and Liverpool won the title that season , but why did it not mention Liverpool actually won the first English Treble that season does our treble not count or something, Cause it never gets said enough that Liverpool fc were the Original Treble winners and that treble never gets the accolade it deserves.
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    Post by Cadbury Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:46 am

    mouseboy11 wrote:RAWK are already bashing that fucking marvuex and he hasn't even signed yet....from what i've seen he looks the type of player we need he's left footed and hugs the toucheline

    He's central.
    He often plays center mid for Rennes, might be a good addition but he's not going to be much better than Babel.
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    Post by Dean Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:48 am

    That last night, was an absolute fucking disgrace and I'm just head in hands over the whole situation now, it's just fucking ridiculous, I actually cannot believe whats happening here.

    NESV need to start pulling their finger out and doing something, I remember Me and Ryan having a discussion about it a few weeks back and I said I was wary of them and didn't trust them one IOTA!

    If they can't see that this manager is inept. then for me we've got no hope with them. Am sick of listening to them coming out and saying '' Oh but we're new to this, we ain't rushing '' in Tom Werner's fucking geeky little yank accent. Yer's haven't got a clue about Football so fuck off back to Baseball. Do us all a favour.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:49 am

    NGreat wrote:
    mouseboy11 wrote:RAWK are already bashing that fucking marvuex and he hasn't even signed yet....from what i've seen he looks the type of player we need he's left footed and hugs the toucheline

    He's central.
    He often plays center mid for Rennes, might be a good addition but he's not going to be much better than Babel.

    How can you possibly know that?

    Give him a fucking chance.
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    Post by Mouse Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:54 am

    Dan wrote:
    NGreat wrote:
    mouseboy11 wrote:RAWK are already bashing that fucking marvuex and he hasn't even signed yet....from what i've seen he looks the type of player we need he's left footed and hugs the toucheline

    He's central.
    He often plays center mid for Rennes, might be a good addition but he's not going to be much better than Babel.

    How can you possibly know that?

    Give him a fucking chance.

    He can't know that.
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    Post by Cadbury Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:58 am

    Dan wrote:
    NGreat wrote:
    mouseboy11 wrote:RAWK are already bashing that fucking marvuex and he hasn't even signed yet....from what i've seen he looks the type of player we need he's left footed and hugs the toucheline

    He's central.
    He often plays center mid for Rennes, might be a good addition but he's not going to be much better than Babel.

    How can you possibly know that?

    Give him a fucking chance.

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    Post by Cornholio Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:02 am

    Whos the geeze calling a fucking wanker?
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    Post by Cadbury Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:05 am

    ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ wrote:Whos the geeze calling a fucking wanker?

    Either NGog, Babel, Hodgson, Dan or Marveuax.
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    Post by Jord Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:08 am

    Lucky man Roy.. Lucky man.

    Roy has probably lost the dressing room by now. I can't see the likes of Torres wanting to play for him anymore. Oh and rumors about us on the verge of signing some French lad called Marveaux. I couldn't care less right now, he won't change a thing. We have the best winger in the world Dirk Kuyt and even he's playing shite at the moment, I've never seen someone control a ball quite like him so having the touch of a rapist is an understatement.

    I'll say it again.. If Roy ain't gone by the end of the week I'll fucking fall asleep and won't wake back up again.


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    Tbh, something has to be done now. With legends coming out and slating him aswell now, surely something will be done soon.
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    Post by Dean Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:15 am

    NESV have got big problems. If they come out and give him money to spend in January, it must mean they're backing him?

    If they don't give him money, it either means, there not backing him or they've got no money. Then we'll have no strengthning of the squad yet AGAIN in a transfer window.

    He won't go 'til atleast the end of the season I reckon, fucking ridiculous on NESV's part. Bunch of clowns the lot of them.
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    Post by Mouse Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:22 am

    Jord wrote:Lucky man Roy.. Lucky man.

    Roy has probably lost the dressing room by now. I can't see the likes of Torres wanting to play for him anymore. Rumors about us on the verge of signing Marveaux. I couldn't care less right now, he won't change a thing. We have the best winger in the world Dirk Kuyt and even he's playing shite at the moment, I've never seen someone control a ball quite like him so having the touch of a rapist is an understatement.

    I'll say it again.. If Roy ain't gone by the end of the week I'll fucking fall asleep and won't wake back up again.

    Are you fucking kidding me?
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    Post by Jord Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:24 am

    mouseboy11 wrote:
    Jord wrote:Lucky man Roy.. Lucky man.

    Roy has probably lost the dressing room by now. I can't see the likes of Torres wanting to play for him anymore. Rumors about us on the verge of signing Marveaux. I couldn't care less right now, he won't change a thing. We have the best winger in the world Dirk Kuyt and even he's playing shite at the moment, I've never seen someone control a ball quite like him so having the touch of a rapist is an understatement.

    I'll say it again.. If Roy ain't gone by the end of the week I'll fucking fall asleep and won't wake back up again.

    Are you fucking kidding me?
    I'm off to make a pot noodle. I'll leave you to figure it out.

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