I forgot all other players are equal in terms of skill and talent.
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this faggot is butthurt because Messi is easily better than Penaldo
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SBSP wrote:I forgot all other players are equal in terms of skill and talent.
Who ever said that? Footballers like Ronaldo and Mata are superior because of their genetic gifts (Ronaldo physical, Mata mental). I don't think it's fair that players who are mentally gifted are allowed to take banned performance enhancing drugs to make them more physically gifted. Do you?
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Messi isn't physically gifted though compared to the average player.
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At a high level a footballer's ability is decided by his genetic make up. Some people are very intelligent, some people have excellent fine motor control, some people have the ability to work hard, some people have great stamina, some people are Peter Crouch and so on. You're born with what you're born with and you see if you can make it based on that, that's how it is for everyone .
Taking drugs to make him taller and stronger is the same as Mata deciding his strength and fitness is too low and starting a course of steroids and nandrolone, or Smalling taking Ritalin before every match to improve his abysmal concentration. Everyone has aspects of themselves that are below average, if one player is allowed to alter himself to mitigate those it puts him at a tremendous advantage.
Taking drugs to make him taller and stronger is the same as Mata deciding his strength and fitness is too low and starting a course of steroids and nandrolone, or Smalling taking Ritalin before every match to improve his abysmal concentration. Everyone has aspects of themselves that are below average, if one player is allowed to alter himself to mitigate those it puts him at a tremendous advantage.
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He wouldn't have been able to make it as a professional at all without the growth hormones.
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Your point also doesn't really stand for everyone since Rooney is an extremely intelligent footballer while being extremely dense otherwise.
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ResurrectionRooney wrote:At a high level a footballer's ability is decided by his genetic make up. Some people are very intelligent, some people have excellent fine motor control, some people have the ability to work hard, some people have great stamina, some people are Peter Crouch and so on. You're born with what you're born with and you see if you can make it based on that, that's how it is for everyone .
Taking drugs to make him taller and stronger is the same as Mata deciding his strength and fitness is too low and starting a course of steroids and nandrolone, or Smalling taking Ritalin before every match to improve his abysmal concentration. Everyone has aspects of themselves that are below average, if one player is allowed to alter himself to mitigate those it puts him at a tremendous advantage.
None of those examples are illnesses that players have and are treating to function as a normal human being. Mata taking steroids would be to give him a great advantage over the average player. It's not like Messi took HGH to be as tall as Ronaldo and as buff as Akinfenwa. Messi's greatest weakness is still his height. Messi would have received treatment regardless of his career (assuming his family had the money for it). That's like saying players with asthma shouldn't be able to use inhalers.
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FCB wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:At a high level a footballer's ability is decided by his genetic make up. Some people are very intelligent, some people have excellent fine motor control, some people have the ability to work hard, some people have great stamina, some people are Peter Crouch and so on. You're born with what you're born with and you see if you can make it based on that, that's how it is for everyone .
Taking drugs to make him taller and stronger is the same as Mata deciding his strength and fitness is too low and starting a course of steroids and nandrolone, or Smalling taking Ritalin before every match to improve his abysmal concentration. Everyone has aspects of themselves that are below average, if one player is allowed to alter himself to mitigate those it puts him at a tremendous advantage.
None of those examples are illnesses that players have and are treating to function as a normal human being. Mata taking steroids would be to give him a great advantage over the average player. It's not like Messi took HGH to be as tall as Ronaldo and as buff as Akinfenwa. Messi's greatest weakness is still his height. Messi would have received treatment regardless of his career (assuming his family had the money for it). That's like saying players with asthma shouldn't be able to use inhalers.
So if he had injected these PEDs as a kid and had become a super athlete - as towering as Crouch, as strong as Drogba, as quick as Bale - in addition to his technique and intelligence, would that be OK?
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Over here States side I believe the professional sports league deal with banned drugs in a much better way. Basically you need to get some paperwork signed by a doctor that states the medical reason that you should be allowed to take that drug. Players often get in trouble for forgetting to update the papers because the waivers expire after a set amount of time, usually one year. I believe a system like this would work very well for dealing with situations like what Messi had to deal with.
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ResurrectionRooney wrote:FCB wrote:
None of those examples are illnesses that players have and are treating to function as a normal human being. Mata taking steroids would be to give him a great advantage over the average player. It's not like Messi took HGH to be as tall as Ronaldo and as buff as Akinfenwa. Messi's greatest weakness is still his height. Messi would have received treatment regardless of his career (assuming his family had the money for it). That's like saying players with asthma shouldn't be able to use inhalers.
So if he had injected these PEDs as a kid and had become a super athlete - as towering as Crouch, as strong as Drogba, as quick as Bale - in addition to his technique and intelligence, would that be OK?
If Messi was a regular kid and did not suffer from GHD (which can lead to issues more than just being short), then yes he should not take HGH. It's already banned by FIFA.
Weather130 wrote:Over here States side I believe the professional sports league deal with banned drugs in a much better way. Basically you need to get some paperwork signed by a doctor that states the medical reason that you should be allowed to take that drug. Players often get in trouble for forgetting to update the papers because the waivers expire after a set amount of time, usually one year. I believe a system like this would work very well for dealing with situations like what Messi had to deal with.
FIFA already has a similar process (I don't know the exact details of it though). But you can get exempt from a banned substance if it's for medical purposes.
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What if Mata had discovered he was genetically a shortarse and took drugs to make himself average height? OK?
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There's a difference between being short and having a fucking disorder. 
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SBSP wrote:There's a difference between being short and having a fucking disorder.
This. As I said before, GHD does more than make someone shorter than average.
Symptoms of GH deficiency in children include the following:
Short stature
Low growth velocity (speed) for age and pubertal stage
Increased amount of fat around the waist
The child may look younger than other children his or her age
Delayed tooth development
Delayed onset of puberty
Symptoms of GH deficiency in adults include the following:
Low energy
Decreased strength and exercise tolerance
Decreased muscle mass
Weight gain, especially around the waist
Feelings of anxiety, depression, or sadness causing a change in social behavior
Thin and dry skin
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During this 9-year study, small but significant declines in health were observed in GH-deficient adults who remained untreated. By contrast, the patients who received GH continuously experienced improvements in energy levels while all other areas of QoL were maintained. The beneficial effects of GH on QoL are therefore maintained with long-term GH replacement and obviate the reduction in QoL seen over time in untreated GH-deficient adults
Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12201829
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Mata suffers from a lot of those symptoms. Why shouldn't he be allowed to cure/mitigate them if Messi is?
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FCB wrote:SBSP wrote:There's a difference between being short and having a fucking disorder.
This. As I said before, GHD does more than make someone shorter than average.
Symptoms of GH deficiency in children include the following:
Short stature
Low growth velocity (speed) for age and pubertal stage
Increased amount of fat around the waist
The child may look younger than other children his or her age
Delayed tooth development
Delayed onset of puberty
Symptoms of GH deficiency in adults include the following:
Low energy
Decreased strength and exercise tolerance
Decreased muscle mass
Weight gain, especially around the waist
Feelings of anxiety, depression, or sadness causing a change in social behavior
Thin and dry skin
How the fuck is that a disorder? Every other kid suffers from "symptoms" like those.
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Manletitis isn't an illness.
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ResurrectionRooney wrote:Mata suffers from a lot of those symptoms. Why shouldn't he be allowed to cure/mitigate them if Messi is?
If he has a disease that causes those and is treated with HGH, then by all means he should take medication.
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The Zlatan wrote:Manletitis isn't an illness.
Is this disease real? It sounds like something invented to convince middle class mothers that their kids aren't just inferior.
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The child may look younger than other children his or her age
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Glen Miller wrote:The Zlatan wrote:Manletitis isn't an illness.
Ahly calling it a disease does make his argument more convincing. Like it's a contagious type of cancer that ruins childhoods. I guess he would make a perfect middle class mother.
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FCB wrote:ResurrectionRooney wrote:Mata suffers from a lot of those symptoms. Why shouldn't he be allowed to cure/mitigate them if Messi is?
If he has a disease that causes those and is treated with HGH, then by all means he should take medication.
What is a disease? If he suffers from abnormally low growth does that not count?
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Shorter people are diseased.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_hormone_deficiency
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That's the argument settled, then.SBSP wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_hormone_deficiency
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Really puts the growth of the human body into perspective.Glen Miller wrote:That's the argument settled, then.SBSP wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_hormone_deficiency
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I hope all your children get GHD and you don't have the ability to pay for treatment.
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I wake up a more humble and grateful man every day.The Zlatan wrote:Really puts the growth of the human body into perspective.Glen Miller wrote:
That's the argument settled, then.
This was a test. You are showing true anger and passion. It is now clear that your love for Messi is true and pure. Go in peace, little Ahly.FCB wrote:I hope all your children get GHD and you don't have the ability to pay for treatment.
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FCB wrote:I hope all your children get GHD and you don't have the ability to pay for treatment.
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That's not the Christmas spirit, Ahly.
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