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    Post by Sean Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:56 am

    ResurrectionRooney wrote:
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    Yea but I mean it's the rules, Celtic are under no obligation to help Legia because they fucked up.

    Legally you are right but I feel Celtic have a sporting obligation to respect the result of the sporting contest that they participated in.  The rules are clear, but when they create such an obvious injustice you would hope that such a respected institution as Celtic, with a strong belief in "sporting integrity" (when it will see their rivals destroyed), would do the right thing.

    Genuine question here, do you think if a team are awarded a penalty incorrectly by the referee they should refuse to try and score from it?
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    Post by Scott_LFC Thu Aug 21, 2014 2:32 am

    Sean wrote:
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    Legally you are right but I feel Celtic have a sporting obligation to respect the result of the sporting contest that they participated in.  The rules are clear, but when they create such an obvious injustice you would hope that such a respected institution as Celtic, with a strong belief in "sporting integrity" (when it will see their rivals destroyed), would do the right thing.

    Genuine question here, do you think if a team are awarded a penalty incorrectly by the referee they should refuse to try and score from it?

    RR contradicts himself all the time. He said United's goal against Liverpool in pre-season should have stood (the one that went out of play before being tapped in by Rooney and then overruled a few minutes later). But going by his logic here, he should have said it was correct to not be given and that Rooney should have owned up to it, instead of celebrating the goal that he knew himself, was illegal.
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    Post by ResurrectionRooney Thu Aug 21, 2014 2:43 am

    Refereeing mistakes are a common and accepted part of football, they are a fundamental part of the game's character. They make it easier for upsets to happen because they have an equalising effect, mistakes are detrimental to one side or another with no regard for those teams' respective quality. In any game there are dozens of mistakes made and it is overwhelmingly common practice to take advantage of them, so for that reason I would not expect a team to refuse to score from a penalty wrongly awarded. The law of averages means luck tends to even itself out over the course of a season, if you skew that calculation against you by missing all your dodgy penalties you're putting yourself at an unfair disadvantage, albeit you're making the one incident fairer.

    This incident, on the other hand, is an exceptional circumstance. It's nothing accepted in the sport as a risk like a dodgy referee, it's a clerical error which is too rare for the law of averages to apply to.

    I suppose we shouldn't be surprised. We know how much Celtic like to screw other clubs over because of what goes on in boardrooms and secretaries offices because they can't hack it on the pitch.

    On the Rooney thing, it's a refereeing mistake, they happen, they're an accepted part of the sport. The referee shouldn't skew that by looking at giant TV screens.
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    Post by Weather130 Thu Aug 21, 2014 2:28 pm

    ROI & UK

    Maribor (Slovenia) 1-1 Celtic (Scotland)
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    Post by Glen Miller Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:22 am

    Scottish football rofl
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    Post by SBSP Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:28 am

    We are atrocious.
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    Post by Scott_LFC Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:40 am

    SBSP wrote:We are atrocious.

    It's alright. You support Barcelona too.
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    Post by SBSP Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:04 am

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    Post by Keyser Söze Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:06 am

    You're lucky United were annihilated 4-0 tonight, this will just get brushed away.
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    Post by SBSP Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:08 am

    We shouldn't even have been here tbf.
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    Post by SBSP Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:10 am

    We probably need a season without Europe to convince the board to actually spend money instead of loaning randomers from midtable Scandinavian teams.
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    Post by Zzonked Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:11 am

    You have Denayer.
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    Post by SBSP Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:14 am

    Zzonked wrote:You have Denayer.
    Yes, thank you for him. I think we would have won if he had played instead of Ambrose.
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    Post by Weather130 Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:29 am

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    Post by Weather130 Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:16 pm

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    Post by Scuba Steve Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:27 pm

    No mention of Moti? Shameful.
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    Post by Glen Miller Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:37 pm

    Why exactly was he forced into goal?
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    Post by SBSP Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:22 pm

    Keeper got sent off with no subs remaining.
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    Post by Scott_LFC Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:55 am

    CL draw today. Hope we get a group of death. Barca/RM/Bayern are a must.

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    Dortmund/Juventus
    Liverpool
    Roma

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    Post by Zzonked Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:36 am

    Bayern again, FFS.
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    Post by Glen Miller Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:37 am

    Excellent draw, we have only ourselves to blame if we don't take second.
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    Post by Stranger Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:40 am

    Dortmund for the third time in four seasons. bored
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    Post by Zzonked Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:41 am

    Nice draw for Chelsea.
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    Post by Zzonked Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:42 am

    Bayern, City, Moskow and Roma, fucking AIDs every time I swear.
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    Post by Keyser Söze Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:47 am

    Chelsea and Liverpool getting byes to the knockout rounds.

    Us and City getting hard groups as usual.
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    Post by Zzonked Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:50 am

    Anyone ever even heard of Ludogorets Razgrad before?
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    Post by Scott_LFC Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:50 am

    Nice draw. Get to play last season's winners, as well as being likely to go through. Lovely.
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    Post by Glen Miller Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:51 am

    Scott_LFC wrote:CL draw today. Hope we get a group of death. Barca/RM/Bayern are a must.

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    Why were you praying for a difficult group?  I can understand that mentality in the Europa League so that you play teams like Napoli instead of Aberdeen and make the tournament watchable, but at this point, we need to improve our coefficient.  City have been stuck with hard groups for years because they can't squeeze themselves out of Pot 3.
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    Post by Zzonked Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:53 am

    Glen Miller wrote:
    Scott_LFC wrote:CL draw today. Hope we get a group of death. Barca/RM/Bayern are a must.

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    Why were you praying for a difficult group?  I can understand that mentality in the Europa League so that you play teams like Napoli instead of Aberdeen and make the tournament watchable, but at this point, we need to improve our coefficient.  City have been stuck with hard groups for years because they can't squeeze themselves out of Pot 3.

    m8 we were in pot 2 this year and it still didn't help Laughing

    I agree with you though. For proper teams getting an easy group should be priority, then you can enjoy the glamour fixtures in the knockout stages. Maybe shitter teams should want good groups because they wont qualify anyway, but not teams with aspirations of going somewhere.
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    Post by Glen Miller Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:55 am

    Zzonked wrote:
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    Why were you praying for a difficult group?  I can understand that mentality in the Europa League so that you play teams like Napoli instead of Aberdeen and make the tournament watchable, but at this point, we need to improve our coefficient.  City have been stuck with hard groups for years because they can't squeeze themselves out of Pot 3.

    m8 we were in pot 2 this year and it still didn't help Laughing

    I agree with you though. For proper teams getting an easy group should be priority, then you can enjoy the glamour fixtures in the knockout stages. Maybe shitter teams should want good groups because they wont qualify anyway, but not teams with aspirations of going somewhere.
    Wow, I looked at the group and just assumed the worst.  That's bad luck. rofl

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