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    Post by Childish Logic Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:05 am

    menalawyerguy wrote:
    Childish Logic wrote:Odds of intelligent life forming = extremely low

    Although there is a large amount of planets.

    Still not enough of them for the odds to be in favor of life existing.


    How do you know how many there are? There are trillions of stars out there that we know of. If all stars have on average about 9 or 10 planets in orbit, that's a quadrillion planets. If just 0.001% of those planets are in a habitable zone from their stars, we're talking about roughly 100 million planets. And if just 0.001% of those planets support life, that's about a thousand planets that have life. Seems extremely likely to me.

    Just because a planet can support life doesn't mean it will....


    but I'm sure there are planets with some form of life.


    Yet i'm talking about life to at least our standard in the past few years, have to apply those odds. (which are really low)



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    Post by menalawyerguy Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:21 am

    Childish Logic wrote:
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    How do you know how many there are? There are trillions of stars out there that we know of. If all stars have on average about 9 or 10 planets in orbit, that's a quadrillion planets. If just 0.001% of those planets are in a habitable zone from their stars, we're talking about roughly 100 million planets. And if just 0.001% of those planets support life, that's about a thousand planets that have life. Seems extremely likely to me.

    Just because a planet can support life doesn't mean it will....



    Right, which is why I'm tempering my analysis with the 0.001% odds (ie. if a mere 0.001% of the planets that exist within their stars habitable zone support life, we're talking about a thousand planets) I'm taking a very conservative view and I'm still finding that the odds are high.


    Yet i'm talking about life to at least our standard in the past few years, have to apply those odds. (which are really low)




    There's no reason to believe we are a statistical anomaly. If my very conservative estimate is accurate, then there are 1,000 planets that support life out there (and I'd bet it's actually a lot more than that). There's no reason to believe that we are some 1 in 1,000 shot. Maybe we are. But chances are we are not.
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    Post by Bushido Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:39 am

    I don't see why intelligent life can't exist, maybe people find the theory a bit frightening or strange. Yet there are many things on Earth and in the universe that begs belief at times.

    For all we know, String theory is correct and they're in another dimension or a parallel universe. The Universe is amazing, just because it seems strange or unlikely doesn't mean it isn't true.

    The Wow Signal.

    In 1977, at Ohio Sate University, The Big Ear radio telescope picked up an unusual signal. Big Ear used numbers and letters to determine the strength of a signal, 0 being meaningless noise and Z being a strong radio signal. An astronomer, Dr. Jerry R. Ehman, studying the data from the telescope was shocked when a radio signal clocking in at ‘6EQUJ5’ came from a seemingly empty spot in space. Ehman was so shocked that he circled the signal on the data sheet and simply wrote ‘Wow’.

    The transmission lasted 37 seconds and came from the Sagittarius constellation. Even more interesting is the fact that the nearest star in that specific direction is 220 million light years away. In other words, the signal came from an empty spot in space. It is also interesting to note that the signal had all the characteristics of an interstellar broadcast.

    Some have tried to explain that the signal is somehow of an Earthly origin, but this seems unlikely as the signal was in a frequency that is internationally banned on Earth. The conclusion that has the most evidence going for it is that it is of an extraterrestrial origin, and because there are no stars near where the signal was found one can conclude that it came from a spacecraft manned by intelligent entities.

    I like this, it's pretty interesting.
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    Post by Barton Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:20 am

    There has actually been a recent discovery of a planet which has been called 'Super-Earth' only 42 light years away from us and is roughly 4 times the size of Earth, it's a planet in the Goldilocks zone and could well be inhabited


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    The planet, which is several times more massive than the Earth, lies just the right distance from its star to allow the existence of liquid surface water.

    It orbits well within the star's ''habitable'' or ''Goldilocks'' zone - the region where temperatures are neither too hot nor too cold to sustain life.

    The new world is one of six, all with masses a few times that of the Earth, believed to circle the dwarf star HD 40307 in the constellation Pictor.

    All the others are located outside the habitable zone, too close to their parent star to support liquid water.

    Three of these were originally identified in 2009 by European Southern Observatory astronomers. They used an instrument called Harps (High Accuracy Radial Velocity Planet Searcher) to look for changes in the colour of starlight that give away the presence of planets.

    A new analysis of the Harps data, using special computer software, has now revealed three more super-Earths.

    One of them, HD 40307g, excited astronomers because it was much further from the star than its companions - between half and three quarters of the Earth's distance from the Sun - and comfortably within the habitable zone.


    Professor Hugh Jones, from the University of Hertfordshire, a member of the international team, said: ''The longer orbit of the new planet means that its climate and atmosphere may be just right to support life.


    ''Just as Goldilocks liked her porridge to be neither too hot nor too cold but just right, this planet or indeed any moons that is has lie in an orbit comparable to Earth, increasing the probability of it being habitable.''

    Scientists believe the planet turns on its axis, giving it a regular day and night cycle and making its environment even more Earth-like.

    Planets orbiting too close to their stars risk being ''tidally locked'' so they always have the same face pointing towards the star. In the same way, the Moon always has its nearside facing the Earth. One side of such a planet is likely to be scorching hot while the other is dark and cold. Scientists doubt that tidally locked planets could be habitable.


    The discovery, published in the journal Astronomy & Astrophysics, arose from a European planet-hunting initiative called RoPACS (Rocky Planets Around Cool Stars),


    Like many other extra-solar planets, HD 40307g was found by observing wobbles in the motion of its parent star caused by the tug of its gravity.


    The wobbles stretch or compress the wavelength of light from the star as seen from the Earth, making it redder as it moves away and bluer as it comes closer. Analysing these patterns can provide information about the planet's mass.



    Fascinating! eek


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    Post by SBSP Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:23 am

    First post in seven months. Surprised
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    Gliese 581c. They have terrible names.
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    Post by menalawyerguy Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:26 am

    I would have gone with Zorchoween.
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    Post by Bushido Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:42 am

    menalawyerguy wrote:I would have gone with Zorchoween.

    Dry Smile Don't get that...
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    Post by menalawyerguy Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:12 am

    I don't know, it just popped into my head for some reason. I took Zorch (which I think is a good alien name) and threw in the suffix of various planets in Star Wars (Tatooine, Dantooine, etc.). I changed the spelling so that I won't get sued by Lucas.
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    Post by Bushido Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:09 am

    menalawyerguy wrote:I don't know, it just popped into my head for some reason. I took Zorch (which I think is a good alien name) and threw in the suffix of various planets in Star Wars (Tatooine, Dantooine, etc.). I changed the spelling so that I won't get sued by Lucas.

    You fucking nerd. Laughing Space Talk (Other life, world endings - not 2012 and others) - Page 2 3925848005
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    Post by MickStupp Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:42 pm

    Bushido wrote:Space Talk (Other life, world endings - not 2012 and others) - Page 2 300px-ESO_-_The_Planetary_System_in_Gliese_581_(by)

    Gliese 581c. They have terrible names.
    It's just the way they catalogue stars & planets. There's loads of stars with cool names, it probably just got highly inconvenient to name all the ones they discover.
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    Post by Mouse Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:02 am

    I hope we find life on other planets, it'd be so amazing to witness.
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    Post by menalawyerguy Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:10 am

    Bushido wrote:
    menalawyerguy wrote:I don't know, it just popped into my head for some reason. I took Zorch (which I think is a good alien name) and threw in the suffix of various planets in Star Wars (Tatooine, Dantooine, etc.). I changed the spelling so that I won't get sued by Lucas.

    You fucking nerd. Laughing Space Talk (Other life, world endings - not 2012 and others) - Page 2 3925848005

    My midi-chlorians are off the scale. u jelly?
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    Post by Barton Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:24 am

    Mouse wrote:I hope we find life on other planets, it'd be so amazing to witness.

    We won't aliens untill well beyond our lifetimes, we have to hope they find us in the meantime. Space Talk (Other life, world endings - not 2012 and others) - Page 2 1371890812
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    Post by menalawyerguy Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:39 am

    Barton wrote:
    Mouse wrote:I hope we find life on other planets, it'd be so amazing to witness.

    We won't aliens untill well beyond our lifetimes, we have to hope they find us in the meantime. Space Talk (Other life, world endings - not 2012 and others) - Page 2 1371890812

    If they're smart enough to find us, that might not be too good for us.
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    Post by Bushido Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:48 am

    menalawyerguy wrote:
    Barton wrote:

    We won't aliens untill well beyond our lifetimes, we have to hope they find us in the meantime. Space Talk (Other life, world endings - not 2012 and others) - Page 2 1371890812

    If they're smart enough to find us, that might not be too good for us.

    Marklar probably are aware of Marklar, they're Marklar to stay away. Think how much Marklar, Marklar would try to force onto them. eek

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    Post by menalawyerguy Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:59 am

    You just Marklared this whole thread, you fucking Marklar.
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    Post by Bushido Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:05 am

    menalawyerguy wrote:You just Marklared this whole thread, you fucking Marklar.

    Improved and Legend?
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    Post by menalawyerguy Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:59 am

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    Post by MickStupp Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:10 am

    menalawyerguy wrote:
    Barton wrote:

    We won't aliens untill well beyond our lifetimes, we have to hope they find us in the meantime. Space Talk (Other life, world endings - not 2012 and others) - Page 2 1371890812

    If they're smart enough to find us, that might not be too good for us.


    Not sure if I saw this here in another space thread or on facebook.
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    Post by Guest Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:02 am

    MickStupp wrote:
    Bushido wrote:Space Talk (Other life, world endings - not 2012 and others) - Page 2 300px-ESO_-_The_Planetary_System_in_Gliese_581_(by)

    Gliese 581c. They have terrible names.
    It's just the way they catalogue stars & planets. There's loads of stars with cool names, it probably just got highly inconvenient to name all the ones they discover.

    Like Betelgeuse.
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    Post by Muhkoo Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:39 am

    MickStupp wrote:
    menalawyerguy wrote:

    If they're smart enough to find us, that might not be too good for us.


    Not sure if I saw this here in another space thread or on facebook.

    If they are smarter than us we need to make sure they meet Neil Degrasse Tyson as on of the first, then ask them if they are here to take Messi back.

    I used to be really into all the space and astronomy stuff when i was younger, went to shuttle launches in Florida back in 2000 and 2006, but when i found out what education it took to get the career i wanted i was put off completely.
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    Post by Childish Logic Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:33 pm

    menalawyerguy wrote:
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    Just because a planet can support life doesn't mean it will....



    Right, which is why I'm tempering my analysis with the 0.001% odds (ie. if a mere 0.001% of the planets that exist within their stars habitable zone support life, we're talking about a thousand planets) I'm taking a very conservative view and I'm still finding that the odds are high.

    the beauty about space is that it is the unknown. We don't know what there is out there in the abyss but what i do know for sure, there are much smarter people than me that spend their lives trying to find out. People with proper estimations.

    the Fermi paradox agrees with my prediction.

    Stephen hawking seems to think that my view is not unlikely.

    " There is support for the view that intelligence, was an unlikely development for life on Earth, from the chronology of evolution. It took a very long time, two and a half billion years, to go from single cells to multi-cell beings, which are a necessary precursor to intelligence. This is a good fraction of the total time available, before the Sun blows up. So it would be consistent with the hypothesis, that the probability for life to develop intelligence, is low. In this case, we might expect to find many other life forms in the galaxy, but we are unlikely to find intelligent life"

    You overestimate the chances of us being here, us being here, i am communicating with you from anywhere in the world. . 0.001% is over estimating it, Everything had to be perfect for us to reach this state. So many variables that just somehow aligned, Billions of year of evolution and here we are, Like i said before

    Intelligent life is possible but very unlikely.

    Stephen hawking has many ideas, He suggests that there is many possible solutions to this question, We could of been just ignored because of moral ethics. The intelligent life could of killed itself (nuclear war? who knows).

    I'm in the belief that we are extremely lucky to be here. I understand why you take your stance, i just fear you are overshooting the odds.



    --edit--
    just to reiterate, trace history and see what it took for us to get here.
    sun forming,
    earth being in the right place,
    organisms forming,
    dinosaurs dying off and possibly how many other life forms before us. (restarting essentially)

    What stopped another meteor just crashing when we were forming?

    Maybe it did but we just somehow survived.

    God it's crazy to think about all the possible paths that could have been taken.




    Now go all over the planets in space. reapply.


    So many variables that could just ruin everything. Everything has to be close to perfect.
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    Post by Pippo Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:24 pm

    Childish Logic wrote:I know it is possible but i just don't think that there is a life form that is at our own level of intelligence. Really unlikely.

    I recall in the 1970s a rock was retrieved from another planet (I think Mars) concealing what appeared to be life forms, however some scientists didn't believe they were life forms and it's still being debated to this day.
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    Post by Bushido Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:37 am

    Other dimensional beings is a theory to.
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    Post by Guest Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:13 am

    Like NZG said, the probability of us living on Earth today is extremely low. Even evolution is crazy when you think about it. That's why I believe there is a Creator.
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    Post by Barton Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:29 am

    Huh? Excuse me if i'm being ignorant but isn't it one or the other... like you can't believe in both creationism and evolution

    I definitely understand the speculation, our existance is still very much unkown and from what we understand based on scientific evidence, we are basically some sort of massive fluke. Do you think god created evolution? Space Talk (Other life, world endings - not 2012 and others) - Page 2 279869
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    Post by Childish Logic Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:17 am

    @Barton I would like to think that god put everything in motion for us to get to here. How you put it, the fluke in us getting here is crazy. I believe Allah put it into motion but that raises a lot of questions.
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    Post by Barton Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:07 am

    Yeah but it makes scientific sense and there's evidence to back it up. Just because our existence is a fluke dosen't mean it couldn't have happened without some sort of supernatural being or a so called 'creator' intervening

    I get that there are so many questions yet to be answered, like the debate over the initial formation of the universe for example, we don't know because there's a gap in human knowledge. Hopefully one day, through further scientific research and space exploration, things will become more clearer.

    I think we must continue to be optimistic about extraterrestrial life, because as Carl Sagan said: "In the deepest sense the search for extraterrestrial intelligence is a search for ourselves"
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    Post by MickStupp Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:03 pm

    ahlycotc wrote:Like NZG said, the probability of us living on Earth today is extremely low. Even evolution is crazy when you think about it. That's why I believe there is a Creator.
    If evolution is the reason you believe in a creator then it would seem that you don't understand evolution.

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