Ché Guayaba wrote:Why not? Crack cocaine came about in the 70's. Jim Crow Laws continued well into the mid 60's.
What you think in ten years time everyone suddenly stopped being a racist?
How we stop the black panthers?
Ronald Reagan cooked up an answer
You hear that?
What Jill Scott was hearin
When our heroes and heroines got hooked on heroin.
Crack raised the murder rate in DC and Maryland
We invested in that it's like we got Merril-Lynched
And we been hangin from the same tree ever since
Kelloggg8 wrote:It's weird the US legalising weed before Canada. USA more progressive socially. Go figure...
Kelloggg8 wrote:Mariguana is just like prohibition of alcohol. Learn from history. I think at some point it will be socially acceptable. I don't drink, smoke or use mariguana but we have to get with the times.
After all, you would expect that the measure of Prohibition's "success" would be the significant decrease of alcohol consumption during that time. And it did -- by 30 to 50 percent. Despite the fact that it didn't eliminate alcoholism altogether, Prohibition did sharply curb the number of deaths and arrests related to alcohol, which is what they wanted in the first place.
But what about all the organized crime that suddenly appeared along with Prohibition? Well actually, it didn't. Organized crime existed at pretty much the same level as before, during and after Prohibition. Scarface may have started selling whiskey as well as cocaine, but the gangster employment rate didn't exactly skyrocket. Nor can it be said to have been a more violent time -- the murder rate actually leveled off during Prohibition.
When people talk about what an embarrassing mistake Prohibition was, they usually cite the fact that it's the only time in American history that a constitutional amendment has been repealed, like we just sort of awkwardly swept it under the living room rug and asked everyone not to stare at the bulge. But really, the repeal had little to do with any perception that Prohibition had failed. It had much more to do with the fact that we simply changed our mind. You know, like in a democracy.
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Carlos Jenkinson wrote:ahlycotc wrote:
Weed is like any other drug that has bad effects of the body. If you want to use it for medical purposes, then just make it acceptable under certain controlled situations (which is already what happens in several states).
There is absolutely nothing to gain by making the recreational use of pot legal. I just find it silly when people cite scientific/medical uses for a drug even though they never think or intend to use that drug for those reasons. It's like when people argue that a glass of wine is good for your heart. Do you honestly drink alcohol for the health benefits or smoke pot because you are suffering from sever chronic pain?
You become more social, your awareness is broadened, you're relieved of pain, your lung capacity increases etc
Only bad effects are paranoia, but that such as fuck isn't severe
There's also tourism, tax and money made easily. It can cost $100 for a good seed which can turn into 1000's easily. The Netherlands sure as hell wouldn't get as much tourism as they do without the red light district and Marijuana which is why they can afford to make their country easily stable
Childish Logic wrote:I don't understand that logic.
alcohol is worse so weed should be legal.
Zzonked wrote:Childish Logic wrote:
I don't hear that, i always hear that Weed should be legal because alcohol is legal. Alcohol isn't going anywhere like you said, it is ingrained into western culture.
The idea behind the prohibition was a good one but was badly implemented from my understanding. something that drinking wasn't illegal but you just couldn't sell it.
If a drug came out that was just as bad as smoking was? should it be legal? going by that logic, the new drug should be legal because something just as bad is legal.
I don't have a strong stance on weed, i don't know enough to say it should be banned but i know enough to know that weed isn't harmless.
The fact that a main point in the argument to legalize weed is that alcohol is legal is a terrible reason to legalize something. The failure to stop one drug doesn't mean we should accept more failure.
That's not exactly the logic behind it though. Alcohol is more comparable to weed in terms of use, they are both recreational, somewhat social drugs. It's not a complete issue of scale of damage, that's just part of it. You can't take this argument out of this context and apply it to everything, it has to fit the mould.
ahlycotc wrote:Carlos Jenkinson wrote:You become more social, your awareness is broadened, you're relieved of pain, your lung capacity increases etc
Only bad effects are paranoia, but that such as fuck isn't severe
There's also tourism, tax and money made easily. It can cost $100 for a good seed which can turn into 1000's easily. The Netherlands sure as hell wouldn't get as much tourism as they do without the red light district and Marijuana which is why they can afford to make their country easily stable
Want to be more social? Go out and force yourself to talk to people. Want to increase lung capacity? Get fit. Do you smoke pot for these benefits? I doubt it. You just smoke it for the same reasons you drink alcohol, and it's not for its health benefits. Besides, the bad effects of abusing these drugs outweigh the good. More importantly, you can get these good effects from other harmless sources.
There is a lot more negative effects than just paranoia. Read up on them. And users of pot are more likely to abuse it than alcohol.
So if we just make it all legal around the world, then the Red Light District won't be as much of a tourist attraction.
Although legalization activists and many marijuana users believe smoking pot has no negative effects, scientific research indicates that marijuana use can cause many different health problems.
Marijuana is the most commonly used illicit drug in the United States. When smoked, it begins to effect users almost immediately and can last for one to three hours. When it is eaten in food, such as baked in brownies and cookies, the effects take longer to begin, but usually last longer.
The short-term effects of marijuana include:
Distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch)
Problems with memory and learning
Loss of coordination
Trouble with thinking and problem-solving
Increased heart rate, reduced blood pressure
Sometimes marijuana use can also produce anxiety, fear, distrust, or panic.
The active ingredient in marijuana, delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol or THC, acts on cannabinoid receptors on nerve cells and influences the activity of those cells. Some brain areas have many cannabinoid receptors, but other areas of the brain have few or none at all. Many cannabinoid receptors are found in the parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thought, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement.
When high doses of marijuana are used, usually when eaten in food rather than smoked, users can experience the following symptoms:
Hallucinations
Delusions
Impaired memory
Disorientation
Within a few minutes after smoking marijuana, the heart begins beating more rapidly and the blood pressure drops. Marijuana can cause the heart beat to increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute, and can increase even more if other drugs are used at the same time.
Because of the lower blood pressure and higher heart rate, researchers found that users' risk for a heart attack is four times higher within the first hour after smoking marijuana, compared to their general risk of heart attack when not smoking.
Smoking marijuana, even infrequently, can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, and cause heavy coughing. Scientists have found that regular marijuana smokers can experience the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers do, including:
Daily cough and phlegm production
More frequent acute chest illnesses
Increased risk of lung infections
Obstructed airways
Most marijuana smokers consume a lot less cannabis than cigarette smokers consume tobacco, however the harmful effects of smoking marijuana should not be ignored. Marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers typically inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer, when smoking.
Research indicates that THC impairs the body's immune system from fighting disease, which can cause a wide variety of health problems. One study found that marijuana actually inhibited the disease-preventing actions of key immune cells. Another study found that THC increased the risk of developing bacterial infections and tumors.
ahlycotc wrote:
The short-term effects of marijuana include:
Distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch)
Problems with memory and learning
Loss of coordination
Trouble with thinking and problem-solving
Increased heart rate, reduced blood pressure
Sometimes marijuana use can also produce anxiety, fear, distrust, or panic.
And in the end you think widespread use and misuse of this drug is worth the "meditation" effect? You are the reason why the government should be making such decisions for you. You can't fathom the bad effects of the drug and make a simple pro v con comparison.
ahlycotc wrote:This is about cold hard facts.
But I guess scientists and several organizations are all lying to us and the government has decided to make marijuana illegal for absolutely no good reason. "Hey, let's make this totally harmless drug illegal just for the hell of it."
ahlycotc wrote:And comparing watching porn to taking drugs is laughable.
Bye_Ya wrote:ahlycotc wrote:And comparing watching porn to taking drugs is laughable.
You were the one who used government policy as a resource for your argument.
And there are many reasons why the government would ban a rather harmless drug. I have seen discussions with federal authorities who say their main reason for not legalizing it, despite allowing states like Colorado to decriminalize and sell it medicinally, is that they don't want to encourage cartel behavior. When you stigmatize a substance like pot, you create a social situation that ends up linking it to other legitimately dangerous drugs. You allow pot to flow freely, and suddenly you may have a different problem on your hands simply because of the social stigma. Just look at 18-year old Americans who go to a country where they can actually drink at that age. What do they do? They embarrass themselves and over drink like morons because of the stigma that says they're not supposed to do it, so they binge because it's their chance to break the rules.
Honestly man, I really see very few posts from you on this forum that aren't attempting to troll, and you haven't thought any of this shit through. Done wasting time here. You act like small harmful effects from pot stand in contrast to some pale white, clean side of human living that doesn't contain millions of likewise mildly harmful effects. Even the way you think can be harmful. You choose to pick pot and make the boogeyman out of it while ignoring all of the other shit that is on the same level. Like I said, haven't thought it through, and haven't looked in the mirror.
The scientific and medical communities have determined that smoked marijuana is a health danger, not a cure. There is no medical evidence that smoking marijuana helps patients. In fact, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved no medications that are smoked, primarily because smoking is a poor way to deliver medicine.
Morphine, for example has proven to be a medically valuable drug, but the FDA does not endorse smoking opium or heroin.
Zzonked wrote:Brownies are fine too.
Zzonked wrote:Strangely enough most drugs are used for their effect.
Carlos Jenkinson wrote:Drug makes you relaxed and lethargic
Government propaganda's like...
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