England vs Italy | 24th June | 7:45pm BBC1 |

Sadistic prats, I am surprised that you are not nodding your head in agreement, Henrik.

In all honesty, they should be fired for that kind of comment.

Henrik's Tongue wrote:MickStupp, how many times watching that game did you think "fucking twat" at the commentators,

biased as fuck the whole way through, miserable boring cunt Mark Lawrenson whinging all the time, complaining about a player, the commmentators hoping an Italian player had injured their hamstring. Who wants to listen to that pish?

I know, and I thought Tyldesley was bad. It's weird seeing an England side more defensive than Scotland nowadays too.

19Jones19v wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

I think he's done a good job, but that he made one gigantic error in this game, which I think is too apparent to comment further on. All in all he had a good tournament.

What was the error? Taking off Welbeck for Carroll? Yeah he certainly done well, doesn't deserve that much stick imo.

Glen Damon wrote:Yesssssssssssssssss

Farewell, Glen, enjoy Madrid.

He does deserve better, best England player on the pitch tonight alongside Hart.

The error was not man marking Andrea Pirlo.

mauro=beast wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:As much as you've been pissing the people on the forum off tonight, I agree with you. Never heard biased commentary like that ever. They was saying Pirlo was tiring out around the 60 min mark cos he wasn't moving around as much . Pirlo could still be playing right now dominating the pace of the game even more.

thats typical english mentality. they dont consider technique or passing the ball as anything important and so if you are seen "walking" around they will assume you are useless and/or tired

they do not understand the concept that the players are supposed to make the ball move, not ball make the players move

sadly this primitive mentality has been passed down to the younger generation like the english posters on this forum who have no intelligence when it comes to football and are the type of people that think random gerrard long range strikes that end up at the corner flag are significant

Sad, but true. Wish it was on ITV so they could compliment the way Italy played throughout.

Southgate and Keane both agree that the premier league is overhyped.

Spot on.

Put in Ryan Lowe I say.

Laurencio wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:What was the error? Taking off Welbeck for Carroll? Yeah he certainly done well, doesn't deserve that much stick imo.

He does deserve better, best England player on the pitch tonight alongside Hart.

The error was not man marking Andrea Pirlo.

But with a 2 man midfield, who would have marked him? Parker? The space for Cassano in between midfield and defence would have been immense. Possibly drop Rooney back when Italy have the ball? Don't even think it's possible you could man mark somone that deep.

Disgusting commentary from what I can see here, should be sacked.

Theo Filippo wrote:Southgate and Keane both agree that the premier league is overhyped.

Spot on.

Not really overhyped, a fairer judgement is that the top quality players in the top 6 sides in England are foreigners.

mauro=beast wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:As much as you've been pissing the people on the forum off tonight, I agree with you. Never heard biased commentary like that ever. They was saying Pirlo was tiring out around the 60 min mark cos he wasn't moving around as much . Pirlo could still be playing right now dominating the pace of the game even more.

thats typical english mentality. they dont consider technique or passing the ball as anything important and so if you are seen "walking" around they will assume you are useless and/or tired

they do not understand the concept that the players are supposed to make the ball move, not ball make the players move

sadly this primitive mentality has been passed down to the younger generation like the english posters on this forum who have no intelligence when it comes to football and are the type of people that think random gerrard long range strikes that end up at the corner flag are significant

I'm not sure whether I'll watch the rest of the Euros. Tournament football just isn't as exciting when your own team is not competing.

Danno wrote:I'm not sure whether I'll watch the rest of the Euros. Tournament football just isn't as exciting when your own team is not competing.

Of course it is.

many THANKS to my boy THEO who stayed true to his beliefs despite being harassed by mentally disabled members of this forum(english fans) who questioned his national allegiance. you are an inspiration my friend

Italy won on penno's.. am I missing something here Mauro?

iSamuel wrote:

Danny wrote:Cole and Young absolutely bottled it.

One day we'll fucking win one. A shoot out or a quarter final.

Bit harsh on Cole, he had a fantastic tournament. Rooney & Young both had a terrible tournament. John Terry and Lescott however both played fantastically well, would rank them as our two best players there.

I'm saying he bottled his pen.

I don't give a fuck how good a tournament he had. At least Young fucking hit the ball. Cole's was like a shit pass.

Viva Ronaldo 7 wrote:Italy won on penno's.. am I missing something here Mauro?

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btw INDIA did not enter euro 2012 so why are you here

At least Cole hit the target.

Danno wrote:I'm not sure whether I'll watch the rest of the Euros. Tournament football just isn't as exciting when your own team is not competing.

Yes it is, my team is not in the Euros, yet I still watch every game with interest



and who wants to see England play anti-football anyway, thank god they are out.

mauro=beast wrote:

Viva Ronaldo 7 wrote:Italy won on penno's.. am I missing something here Mauro?

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btw INDIA did not enter euro 2012 so why are you here

Maybe because I am not Indian..

Danny wrote:

iSamuel wrote:

Bit harsh on Cole, he had a fantastic tournament. Rooney & Young both had a terrible tournament. John Terry and Lescott however both played fantastically well, would rank them as our two best players there.

I'm saying he bottled his pen.

I don't give a fuck how good a tournament he had. At least Young fucking hit the ball. Cole's was like a shit pass.

Surprised with Cole, he usually goes to the keepers left for a curler, but with a lot more power. However on this occasion he fluffed his lines.

19Jones19v wrote:

Danny wrote:I'm saying he bottled his pen.

I don't give a fuck how good a tournament he had. At least Young fucking hit the ball. Cole's was like a shit pass.

Surprised with Cole, he usually goes to the keepers left for a curler, but with a lot more power. However on this occasion he fluffed his lines.

Same. He scored in 2008 and 2012 CL Final shoot outs, against Portugal in 2004. Good penalty taker, then he takes a crucial one and does a shitey run up (like Young) and hits it with less power than my mum would have.

Viva Ronaldo 7 wrote:

mauro=beast wrote:

SMASHED SMASHED SMASHED

btw INDIA did not enter euro 2012 so why are you here

Maybe because I am not Indian..

yeah ok PARENDEEP SINGH PATEL

my name is mauro lorenzetti and i am not italian

mauro=beast wrote:many THANKS to my boy THEO who stayed true to his beliefs despite being harassed by mentally disabled members of this forum(english fans) who questioned his national allegiance. you are an inspiration my friend

Support apparently means irrationality to most of these people, it makes no sense. We were very lucky to take Italy to penalties.

mauro=beast wrote:

Viva Ronaldo 7 wrote:

Maybe because I am not Indian..

yeah ok PARENDEEP SINGH PATEL

my name is mauro lorenzetti and i am not italian

The force is strong with this one.

akaranzo wrote:

Danno wrote:I'm not sure whether I'll watch the rest of the Euros. Tournament football just isn't as exciting when your own team is not competing.

Yes it is, my team is not in the Euros, yet I still watch every game with interest



and who wants to see England play anti-football anyway, thank god they are out.

Watching your own team play anti-football is actually quite exhilarating. But I imagine that match was quite dull for the neutral.

Danny wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:Surprised with Cole, he usually goes to the keepers left for a curler, but with a lot more power. However on this occasion he fluffed his lines.

Same. He scored in 2008 and 2012 CL Final shoot outs, against Portugal in 2004. Good penalty taker, then he takes a crucial one and does a shitey run up (like Young) and hits it with less power than my mum would have.

Had Manchester United's 'amazing' players taken their chances, there'd be no need for such a penalty.

There'll probably be a new manager by the time of the next world-cup, and we'll probably see that person being Gary Neville. Only a couple of older players should be getting into the team, can't have the likes of John, Parker, Gerrard all being on one team when they're all lacking such pace. I'd like to see Daniel & Adam Johnson next tournament, England missed them both.

19Jones19v wrote:

Laurencio wrote:

The error was not man marking Andrea Pirlo.

But with a 2 man midfield, who would have marked him? Parker? The space for Cassano in between midfield and defence would have been immense. Possibly drop Rooney back when Italy have the ball? Don't even think it's possible you could man mark somone that deep.

You could at least try? It was the most obvious flaw of Italy's play. They rely a tad too much on Pirlo, because Cassano although a decent player is not good enough to make those pin point passes (shown by his fluffed balls towards Balotelli). Montolivio isn't 100% match fit which reduces his effectiveness. Considering the lack of genuine wingers midfield is where Italy like to be. So who is their main creative outlet? Andrea Pirlo.

Pirlo was moving about like he was taking a jog in his own back yard, passing about with a 10 year old. Italy had a handful of poorly executed passes to Pirlo, but because of the complete and utter lack of any pressure or marking he could just walk about with it, occasionally being rammed down from behind by a headless tackle from a striker. When Italy failed to create movement ahead of the ball (countless times in both halves and in extra time) Pirlo had to sit on the ball for a while, but instead of putting pressure on Pirlo, they just stood there and waited for him to casually pass a pin point ball out wide or through on goal.

Rarely have I ever been more frustrated at a midfield than watching England watch Pirlo. He walks past two feet ahead of England's midfield and they just let him move it about as he pleases. Putting pressure on him could force a flawed pass and create a counter opportunity, it could force Italy to create through less reliable passers, and it could mess with their tempo. It's so basic it's not even funny.

Laurencio wrote:

19Jones19v wrote:But with a 2 man midfield, who would have marked him? Parker? The space for Cassano in between midfield and defence would have been immense. Possibly drop Rooney back when Italy have the ball? Don't even think it's possible you could man mark somone that deep.

You could at least try? It was the most obvious flaw of Italy's play. They rely a tad too much on Pirlo, because Cassano although a decent player is not good enough to make those pin point passes (shown by his fluffed balls towards Balotelli). Montolivio isn't 100% match fit which reduces his effectiveness. Considering the lack of genuine wingers midfield is where Italy like to be. So who is their main creative outlet? Andrea Pirlo.

Pirlo was moving about like he was taking a jog in his own back yard, passing about with a 10 year old. Italy had a handful of poorly executed passes to Pirlo, but because of the complete and utter lack of any pressure or marking he could just walk about with it, occasionally being rammed down from behind by a headless tackle from a striker. When Italy failed to create movement ahead of the ball (countless times in both halves and in extra time) Pirlo had to sit on the ball for a while, but instead of putting pressure on Pirlo, they just stood there and waited for him to casually pass a pin point ball out wide or through on goal.

Rarely have I ever been more frustrated at a midfield than watching England watch Pirlo. He walks past two feet ahead of England's midfield and they just let him move it about as he pleases. Putting pressure on him could force a flawed pass and create a counter opportunity, it could force Italy to create through less reliable passers, and it could mess with their tempo. It's so basic it's not even funny.

That pissed me off. The English players just seemed to let them play, where was the pressure? fucking terrible to watch.

Viva Ronaldo 7 wrote:

mauro=beast wrote:

SMASHED SMASHED SMASHED

btw INDIA did not enter euro 2012 so why are you here

Maybe because I am not Indian..

Italy will not get to the final anyway.

Hodgson should be fired for that, today again showed he can only with well with the basics