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    Post by The Bat-Man Fri May 11, 2012 1:34 am

    Eternal Witcher wrote:
    The Bat-Man wrote:Andy Carroll's performances against Chelsea would have been considered an off day for strikers actually worth €40 million.

    Only thing going in his favour is he is trying to play better.

    Same thing goes for Torres then at least. Every performance is at the most, an offday.

    Liverpool fans must bring in Torres to every conversation Laughing
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    Post by Guest Fri May 11, 2012 1:36 am

    The Bat-Man wrote:Andy Carroll's performances against Chelsea would have been considered an off day for strikers actually worth €40 million.

    Only thing going in his favour is he is trying to play better.

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    Post by The Bat-Man Fri May 11, 2012 1:42 am

    ScottyBoy_1989 wrote:
    The Bat-Man wrote:Andy Carroll's performances against Chelsea would have been considered an off day for strikers actually worth €40 million.

    Only thing going in his favour is he is trying to play better.

    facepalm

    Don't just reply with a smiley, you know it's true.

    Liverpool fans are bigging up those two games like Carroll just put in some Ballon D'Or winning performance when in truth it's the first time he has been more of a benefit to the team rather than a burden.
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    Post by Mustangt125 Fri May 11, 2012 1:44 am

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    ScottyBoy_1989 wrote:

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    Don't just reply with a smiley, you know it's true.

    Liverpool fans are bigging up those two games like Carroll just put in some Ballon D'Or winning performance when in truth it's the first time he has been more of a benefit to the team rather than a burden.

    Yeah and that's why were talking about it. Nobody ever anywhere said anything about any awards.
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    Post by CollieBuddz Fri May 11, 2012 1:45 am

    The Bat-Man wrote:
    ScottyBoy_1989 wrote:

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    Don't just reply with a smiley, you know it's true.

    Liverpool fans are bigging up those two games like Carroll just put in some Ballon D'Or winning performance when in truth it's the first time he has been more of a benefit to the team rather than a burden.

    Please back up all statements like that. Quotes please.
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    Post by The Bat-Man Fri May 11, 2012 1:47 am

    Mustangt125 wrote:
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    Don't just reply with a smiley, you know it's true.

    Liverpool fans are bigging up those two games like Carroll just put in some Ballon D'Or winning performance when in truth it's the first time he has been more of a benefit to the team rather than a burden.

    Yeah and that's why were talking about it. Nobody ever anywhere said anything about any awards.

    If someone knew nothing about football and heard Liverpool fans speak about Andy Carroll they will be under the impression he is the greatest who ever lived and who will ever live.

    No joke.
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    Post by Guest Fri May 11, 2012 1:51 am

    The Bat-Man wrote:
    Eternal Witcher wrote:

    Same thing goes for Torres then at least. Every performance is at the most, an offday.

    Liverpool fans must bring in Torres to every conversation Laughing

    I was criticising your point actually. Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Mustangt125 Fri May 11, 2012 1:53 am

    The Bat-Man wrote:
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    Yeah and that's why were talking about it. Nobody ever anywhere said anything about any awards.

    If someone knew nothing about football and heard Liverpool fans speak about Andy Carroll they will be under the impression he is the greatest who ever lived and who will ever live.

    No joke.

    Not at all. In fact, most of the discussions centered around one Andy Carroll would include something like ".....if he can keep this up..." or "where was this all year....?"
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    Post by Rafael Benitez Fri May 11, 2012 1:54 am

    It doesn't matter how good his performances are, until he starts scoring reguarly like at Newcastle, he won't even be worth half his price. Although i do have faith he will come good
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    Post by The Bat-Man Fri May 11, 2012 1:58 am

    Eternal Witcher wrote:
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    Liverpool fans must bring in Torres to every conversation Laughing

    I was criticising your point actually. Rolling Eyes

    I understand and you chose to bring up Torres as an example.

    No Sheva, not Veron, not any other big money signing that flopped.

    Torres, always Torres.

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    Post by The Bat-Man Fri May 11, 2012 2:01 am

    Mustangt125 wrote:
    The Bat-Man wrote:

    If someone knew nothing about football and heard Liverpool fans speak about Andy Carroll they will be under the impression he is the greatest who ever lived and who will ever live.

    No joke.

    Not at all. In fact, most of the discussions centered around one Andy Carroll would include something like ".....if he can keep this up..." or "where was this all year....?"

    If he can keep this up he still won't be worth €40 million.

    I know you didn't say this current form is worth that large amount of money, but I can't think of any other scenario that would be a suited ending to that sentence.

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    Post by Laurencio Fri May 11, 2012 2:04 am

    The Bat-Man wrote:
    Mustangt125 wrote:

    Not at all. In fact, most of the discussions centered around one Andy Carroll would include something like ".....if he can keep this up..." or "where was this all year....?"

    If he can keep this up he still won't be worth €40 million.

    I know you didn't say this current form is worth that large amount of money, but I can't think of any other scenario that would be a suited ending to that sentence.


    Be fair. If he maintains a good form, and can perform like he does in big matches on a more consistent basis for the next 10 years for Liverpool then he's easily worth the £35M they paid for him.
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    Post by The Bat-Man Fri May 11, 2012 2:08 am

    Laurencio wrote:
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    If he can keep this up he still won't be worth €40 million.

    I know you didn't say this current form is worth that large amount of money, but I can't think of any other scenario that would be a suited ending to that sentence.


    Be fair. If he maintains a good form, and can perform like he does in big matches on a more consistent basis for the next 10 years for Liverpool then he's easily worth the £35M they paid for him.

    What I expect from €40 million is world class performances.

    Like Falcao last night.
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    Post by Guest Fri May 11, 2012 2:11 am

    The Bat-Man wrote:
    Mustangt125 wrote:

    Yeah and that's why were talking about it. Nobody ever anywhere said anything about any awards.



    If someone knew nothing about football and heard Liverpool fans speak about Andy Carroll they will be under the impression he is the greatest who ever lived and who will ever live.

    No joke.
    Where the fuck did you pull that shit statement from.scratch Are you feeling ok, because that is just complete and utter rubbish.
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    Post by Laurencio Fri May 11, 2012 2:15 am

    The Bat-Man wrote:
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    Be fair. If he maintains a good form, and can perform like he does in big matches on a more consistent basis for the next 10 years for Liverpool then he's easily worth the £35M they paid for him.

    What I expect from €40 million is world class performances.

    Like Falcao last night.

    Falcao and Andy Carroll are two completely different type of players, it would be unrealistic to expect him to have the similar level of technical ability, agility and finishing prowess. In addition Falcao is 26 years old, in his prime. Andy Carrol is 23 and still some way off his prime, not saying he will be as good as Falcao, but they are two different type of players.

    In addition it's a little unfair to compare Andy Carroll to one of the, at the moment, best strikers in the world. No one denies he's not good enough for his price tag yet, but if he can help win Liverpool matches, help climb up the table and win trophies by showing up in big games (which he seems to be good at from recent evidence), then he is quite easily worth £35M for them.

    If he fails to deliver then that's another story.
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    Post by Guest Fri May 11, 2012 2:18 am

    The Bat-Man wrote:
    Eternal Witcher wrote:

    I was criticising your point actually. Rolling Eyes

    I understand and you chose to bring up Torres as an example.

    No Sheva, not Veron, not any other big money signing that flopped.

    Torres, always Torres.

    I think it might be also something to do with the fact that he is one of the most recent to have moved for the most amount off money, and has not been as good as people thought he would be.Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Mustangt125 Fri May 11, 2012 2:20 am

    Basically we are all on the same page here.

    Nobody thinks he's worth 35 mill and he needs to start scoring.

    In regards to the Torres comparison vs. Sheva or any other flop, it's clearly because we are much closer to that situation than the other ones.
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    Post by The Bat-Man Fri May 11, 2012 2:23 am

    Laurencio wrote:
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    What I expect from €40 million is world class performances.

    Like Falcao last night.

    Falcao and Andy Carroll are two completely different type of players, it would be unrealistic to expect him to have the similar level of technical ability, agility and finishing prowess. In addition Falcao is 26 years old, in his prime. Andy Carrol is 23 and still some way off his prime, not saying he will be as good as Falcao, but they are two different type of players.

    In addition it's a little unfair to compare Andy Carroll to one of the, at the moment, best strikers in the world. No one denies he's not good enough for his price tag yet, but if he can help win Liverpool matches, help climb up the table and win trophies by showing up in big games (which he seems to be good at from recent evidence), then he is quite easily worth £35M for them.

    If he fails to deliver then that's another story.

    I was just thinking of this yesterday.

    How do youngsters improve, I mean their technical and physical abilities don't really improve that much, it's mostly just more know how and confidence.

    I can see Carroll improving to become a much better striker, by learning to kick a ball straight and stuff, but he does need to improve a lot. Even on recent performances.

    He can't just be a big striker to be worth the money paid for him.

    I think Mustangt125 put it best.
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    Post by Rafael Benitez Fri May 11, 2012 2:25 am

    Dalglish needs to tie Carroll to a chair in a locked room and play him tapes of Ibrahimovic, that should teach him
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    Post by The Bat-Man Fri May 11, 2012 2:26 am

    Willmer wrote:Dalglish needs to tie Carroll to a chair in a locked room and play him tapes of Ibrahimovic, that should teach him

    As much as I hate Ibra for being a cunt, he certainly is the best big striker in the world.
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    Post by Laurencio Fri May 11, 2012 2:31 am

    Willmer wrote:Dalglish needs to tie Carroll to a chair in a locked room and play him tapes of Ibrahimovic, that should teach him

    Andy Carroll doesn't have the technical ability nor the agility to play like Ibrahimovic tbf.
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    Post by Guest Fri May 11, 2012 2:32 am

    Willmer wrote:Dalglish needs to tie Carroll to a chair in a locked room and play him tapes of Ibrahimovic, that should teach him

    And would that make him have the ability of Ibrahimovic. Laughing
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    Post by Rafael Benitez Fri May 11, 2012 2:35 am

    Laurencio wrote:
    Willmer wrote:Dalglish needs to tie Carroll to a chair in a locked room and play him tapes of Ibrahimovic, that should teach him

    Andy Carroll doesn't have the technical ability nor the agility to play like Ibrahimovic tbf.
    I agree, but if there is anyone he can learn from, it would be Ibra, although Carroll is far more dominant in the air than Ibra
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    Willmer wrote:Dalglish needs to tie Carroll to a chair in a locked room and play him tapes of Ibrahimovic, that should teach him

    And would that make him have the ability of Ibrahimovic. Laughing
    It was a joke, but both are the same height, and weight, and same hairstyle, but if Carroll can be half the player Ibra is, i will be happy
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    Post by The Bat-Man Fri May 11, 2012 2:35 am

    Funny football Fact #69: Ibrahimovic trademarked his first name.
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    think Not sure if nice.

    GK kit having a collar seems a bit strange, although it looks spanish to me, for some reason.
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    Post by Cadbury Fri May 11, 2012 5:39 am

    That's fucking beautiful. I'd rather have white than gold though, GK kit is lovely.
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    Post by Guest Fri May 11, 2012 5:40 am

    Hmm, I'd rather the collars were more like the 06/07 kit. They seem a bit polo-shirt-esque there.
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    Post by Rafael Benitez Fri May 11, 2012 5:42 am

    That GK kit wank 2
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    Post by Guest Fri May 11, 2012 5:43 am

    The GK kit also reminds me of De Gea.

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