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The thing you must have done it, even without noticing.

Even if it's just laughing at someone's ridiculous suggestion of the greatest player of all time, for example.

Because it's natural.

If I was to say Lucas is the best to play the game, you might laugh because in your head you know there have been players better than him to play the game. Like Maradonna or Di Stefano and they played in different positions.

Just because that's almost common sense it doesn't change anything from saying players of similar ability and impact on the game are better than eachother.

I get the feeling you just don't like doing it because it's difficult for you. I'm just sick of you acting like a snob and scoffing at other people for doing it.

I'm always seeing you say stuff like, "You can't compare players like that, they play in different positions". Well you can. And in future if you don't like doing it, keep it to yourself and stop acting like you're better than others for doing it.

ahlycotc wrote:I have a question for you, If I told you who is the better player Lampard to Chris Dagnall? Would you say I can't tell you because they don't play in the same position?

I don't even know who Chris Dagnall is so I wouldn't have an opinion on him since I don't know anything about him.

Ryan wrote:The thing you must have done it, even without noticing.

Even if it's just laughing at someone's ridiculous suggestion of the greatest player of all time, for example.

Because it's natural.

If I was to say Lucas is the best to play the game, you might laugh because in your head you know there have been players better than him to play the game. Like Maradonna or Di Stefano and they played in different positions.

Just because that's almost common sense it doesn't change anything from saying players of similar ability and impact on the game are better than eachother.

I get the feeling you just don't like doing it because it's difficult for you. I'm just sick of you acting like a snob and scoffing at other people for doing it.

I'm always seeing you say stuff like, "You can't compare players like that, they play in different positions". Well you can. And in future if you don't like doing it, keep it to yourself and stop acting like you're better than others for doing it.

Its not difficult for me, I just don't do it is all.

You could say Lucas is the best to play the game and you would be entitled to that opinion since its yours. I wouldn't say anything because I have never seen Maradona or Alfredo play. There was huge argument a long time ago on the old EA boards where I people got into it with me because I said that people that weren't even born couldn't have an accurate opinion of Pele, etc. Throughout my history as someone that talks about soccer/football I do not give my opinions on players that I have never seen with my own two eyes, or have seen extensively. Granted in the age of technology you can watch internet clips etc, but to me that is not the same as watching a game or seeing them in person so therefore I reserve judgment on rating players based solely on heresay, etc.

So at the end of the day you could say Lucas was the best in the game and the only replies you would get from me would me saying other players who play in his position who are better than him. You wouldn't find me pulling up legendary attacking midfielders and saying they were better than Lucas.

I'm not acting like a snob or acting like I am better than others for doing it. You should stop being so sensitive because someone has a view that is different from yours. This is a message board where everyone states their opinion. In your opinion you compares players regardless of position and other factors. I on the otherhand don't. I never said how you do it is wrong, I simply said that it doesn't make sense to me for those comparisons to happen. Not at any time I have I said it is wrong and you should be ashamed or you're this or that for doing it. I simply gave my opinion and nothing more.

AriseForLife wrote:

SBSP_FIFA wrote:All right then, whom will you compare then?

I compare a lot of players if they play in similar or the same positions. I compare Cesc Fabregas to Xavi when I talk with friends, or Ashely Cole to the Juventus Gianluca Zambrotta, etc.

Ah but Xavi plays as a deep-lying playmaker, while Cesc is an attacking playmaker, so how can you compare them?

Xavi isn't restrictly a deep-laying playmaker, and Cesc isn't strictly an attacking playmaker either. They just play that way in games because their managers tell them too through strategy.

And they are both playmakers. It's not like comparing a defender and winger.

I'm just using the same logic Arise used when he said you can't compare Adebayor and Chamakh.

AriseForLife wrote:

ahlycotc wrote:I have a question for you, If I told you who is the better player Lampard to Chris Dagnall? Would you say I can't tell you because they don't play in the same position?

I don't even know who Chris Dagnall is so I wouldn't have an opinion on him since I don't know anything about him.

Striker who played for Rochdale and now plays for Scunthorpe United. Just replace Dagnall with some Championship, League One, League Two, etc player.

Meh. You just take make my examples too literally, while missing the whole point. Which I now believe you're doing on purpose. My argument is there for everyone to see, I believe many will agree with it, and those that don't can munch my cheese.

SBSP_FIFA wrote:I'm just using the same logic Arise used when he said you can't compare Adebayor and Chamakh.

You can't. They are completely different types of strikers.

That'd be like comparing Annan to Arshavin.

SBSP_FIFA wrote:
Ah but Xavi plays as a deep-lying playmaker, while Cesc is an attacking playmaker, so how can you compare them?

No, Xavi actually controls the midfield which is basically what Cesc does for us. People think Cesc is an attacking midfielder because he goes forward a lot and that has to do with our style and our formation, but Xavi and Cesc are very much the same in a lot of ways. Xavi does drop deep, but only to receive the ball, which is also what Cesc does too.

SBSP_FIFA wrote:I'm just using the same logic Arise used when he said you can't compare Adebayor and Chamakh.

The logic I used when I said you can't compare Adebayor and Chamakh is a different because they are used differently in their teams currently and when Adebayor was with us. Cesc on the otherhand does many of the exact same things that Xavi does for Barcelona. People wanted to say you can compare them because they are both strikers, but my argument was yeah they share the same position name, but they are very different in terms of how they play and how they are used.

ahlycotc wrote:
Striker who played for Rochdale and now plays for Scunthorpe United. Just replace Dagnall with some Championship, League One, League Two, etc player.

Well if you're using Lampard as the base of the comparison, I wouldn't compare him to a striker, but to answer your question better I will use Marlon King. If you ask me who is the better player between those two I wouldn't compare them since one is a midfielder and one is a striker, but if you wanted a comparison based on technical ability (dribbling, etc) then I would compare on that.

I don't know if you've noticed, but its extremely rare if at all that you will find me comparing players that do not play the same position or at least in positions that are similar.

Ryan wrote:Meh. You just take make my examples too literally, while missing the whole point. Which I now believe you're doing on purpose. My argument is there for everyone to see, I believe many will agree with it, and those that don't can munch my cheese.

No, I completely get where you are coming from. I am simply saying that I don't do it and I defintiely do not think I am better than someone who does do it.

My whole intent from the start of this was not to argue, I simply offer my opinion or my view and people automatically think its meant to be an argument.

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